Thread: When WW III Started

When WW III Started........1979


AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. Embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, anoth er van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US int erests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the WorldTradeCenter in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November1995 a car bomb explodes at a U S military complex in RiyadhSaudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the KhobarTowers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missi le attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from very high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to seethe pattern that has been developing since 1979.

I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever.. We have to be ready to pay th e price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

(Captain Ouimette)

One thing that I particularly noticed throughout this entire thread:

American military forces were INSIDE of the Middle Eastern countries when they were attacked.

I wonder if this....might have anything to do with it?

Ultimately, would we have had troops there without the following: oil or the need to support Israel?

If someone has troops in your country are you justified: attacking those troops or bombing targets in the troops' home country?

Is placing your troops in another country a form of terrorism?

Americans continue to see themselves as the victims or terrorism and not the perpetrators.
Until that changes, things wont improve.

Where is this article from, Storekeeper?

My goodness, a few students occupy an American embassy and it's the start of WW3 for this self-absorbed yank?

Note that the emphasis in the article is on American soil, American people, American interests. The author doesn't give a rat's arse about anything or anyone else, and the Americans, as well as the Israelis, happily kill hundreds for each one of theirs, without twinking an eyelid.

Originally Posted by stroller

Where is this article from, Storekeeper?

It's not a published article. It's a speech given by the Navy Captain I cited at the end of the post. It was given at NAS Pensacola last month.

It's what liberals call good brainwashing material meant to motivate active duty slugs.

^ The speech is too limited, like all bias is.

In the recent years, startin in about 1999 there has been an increase in this Islamo-fascist activity, but going back to 1979 it an attempt to link many different political situation to the current and false "war on terror," it seems.

Not sure....but it seems that way.

And again, this is not about liberalism, or other American labels, most of which are outdated. When you say this (posted above) you are projecting a narrow and particular viewpoint to many different cultures and geographical regions at the same time.

It is however only some of the facts, the ones that he wants people to listen to.
I could go over to prisonplanet.com and paste an article full of conflicting facts and you would call it liberal bullshit.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

It is however only some of the facts, the ones that he wants people to listen to.
I could go over to prisonplanet.com and paste an article full of conflicting facts and you would call it liberal bullshit.

I'd like to see it.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

It's not a published article.

Thank goodness for that. The English is terrible. Didn't he think to get an editor/go to school before presenting it?

Who is Captain Ouimette ? does he matter ? probably another useless sailorboy

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

It is however only some of the facts, the ones that he wants people to listen to.
I could go over to prisonplanet.com and paste an article full of conflicting facts and you would call it liberal bullshit.

I'd like to see it.

Don't hold your breath, SK...
The evidence you've presented in that Captain's speech intrudes too deeply into our Liberal, bleeding-heart, Kumbaya-singing, rose-colored glasses friends's conciousness...

Some pretty ridiculous comments by just about everybody. This guy presented a well thought out, factual speech. And some of you just simply ignore that these attacks occured not only on US soil but in international safe zone like embassies, bases covered by agreements and even UN peacekeeping missions. Places the US would have abandoned if told to do so by the applicable government. We were invited there and wanted there by the people in leadership positions.

This guy outlined exactly why I'm glad George Bush is the President. The real truth is most of the PC crowd is glad he's in charge as well. I'd rather be at fault for siding with a proactive President than on the moaning side of those who would rather bitch if a President never had the gumption to do anything. I don't give a hoot what the Aussies or Brits think about Tony Blair or John Howard either ... fug all the whinin' cnuts ... those are two ballsey fellas as well.

^ LOL. You are more entertaining than Porkie, SK. I think I am in love again, sailor boy. Boon Mee, don't tell Porkie, I don't want to break his heart.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ LOL. You are more entertaining than Porkie, SK.

I do try.

(Fug you ya little pansy bitch )

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ LOL. You are more entertaining than Porkie, SK.

I do try.

(Fug you ya little pansy bitch )

Watch out, SK
Butterfly will sic his Ladyboys on ya!

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Israel making peace with children.

Originally Posted by surasak

Israel making peace with children.

Who started it?
Jeeeeze....get some sense of reality here...

it sk lates, yes dear if you figth the opponent, he will fight back and the first will retalliate and so on, looks like this is the only way you want to deal, same same Israel i could say !

bloody hell, dont you see violence, abuse, selfishness only get's to hit back !

try change attitude, may be it will change course and ww3 could be not necessary !

some proverb says, every ones digs his own hole, we would be glad that the us does not dig the hole of all !

Originally Posted by forreachingme

it sk lates, yes dear if you figth the opponent, he will fight back and the first will retalliate and so on, looks like this is the only way you want to deal, same same Israel i could say !

bloody hell, dont you see violence, abuse, selfishness only get's to hit back !

try change attitude, may be it will change course and ww3 could be not necessary !

some proverb says, every ones digs his own hole, we would be glad that the us does not dig the hole of all !

Hmmmm....don't quite get the drift of this...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

Israel making peace with children.

Who started it?
Jeeeeze....get some sense of reality here...

1607, first British settlers found Jamestown, Virginia.

1608-1675 British presence increases to the point where British have a majority of inhabitants along James River in Virginia.

1675, Native Americans, outraged over taking of land, launch attacks from Maryland and attack British. British refer to them as terrorists, British attack Florida and kill hundreds of innocent people.

^ humm, sound familiar