French pool bans 'burkini' swim

**dirtydog** · 13-08-2009, 01:39 PM

French pool bans 'burkini' swim

Loose-fitting 'burkinis' cover the entire body while swimming

French officials have banned a Muslim woman from swimming in a public pool while wearing a swimsuit that covers her entire body.

The woman had swum in July in the pool in Emerainville, east of Paris, in the "burkini" - a loose-fitting garment resembling a wetsuit with a hood.

But staff stopped her from swimming in August, citing hygiene concerns.

It comes as the government examines ways to limit burka use after the president said they reduced dignity.

France is home to Western Europe's largest population of Muslims, with about 5 million living there.

That type of suit does not exist in the Koran

Mayor Alain Kelyor

At the pool, staff "reminded [the woman] of the rules that apply in all (public) swimming pools which forbid swimming while clothed," pool management official Daniel Guillaume was quoted by AFP as saying.

The woman was a French convert to Islam, and had bought the swimsuit in Dubai so that she would not have to uncover herself to go swimming.

"Quite simply, this is segregation," she said, according to Le Parisien newspaper, which identified her only as Carole.

"I will fight to try to change things. And if I see that the battle is lost, I cannot rule out leaving France."

Emerainville Mayor Alain Kelyor said "all this has nothing to do with Islam", adding that the swimsuit was "not an Islamic swimsuit" and that "that type of suit does not exist in the Koran".

'Prisoners behind netting'

In June the French National Assembly appointed 32 MPs to a six-month fact-finding mission to look at ways of restricting burka use.

In a major policy speech that month, President Nicolas Sarkozy said the burka - a garment covering women from head to toe - reduced them to servitude and undermined their dignity.

"We cannot accept to have in our country women who are prisoners behind netting, cut off from all social life, deprived of identity," Mr Sarkozy told a special session of parliament in Versailles.

In 2004, France banned the Islamic headscarves in its state schools.

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**dirtydog** · 13-08-2009, 01:42 PM

Dan · 13-08-2009, 01:46 PM

The French are fucking weird about this stuff. They also ban swimming shorts - you have to wear speedos. Euch.

**Texpat** · 13-08-2009, 01:46 PM

I think I'd prefer to see the burkina on most of those blobs.
There's a reason the men force them into hiding.

**crazy dog** · 13-08-2009, 03:07 PM

Good to see at least one country in Europe having some balls instead of continually caving into minority demands as does the UK.

**kingwilly** · 13-08-2009, 03:29 PM

bloody hell, bit rude of them.

nothing wrong with it. designed for swimming. arrogant assholes.

**Texpat** · 13-08-2009, 03:34 PM

In Japan, late 80s, I was at a very large hotel in Kyoto, where they demanded guests at the swimming pool cover their tattoos with gauze and tape. Some of the whiteys looked like they had lost a fight with a lion. A few Japs, too. It was funny as fuk.

I don't have any.

**taxexile** · 13-08-2009, 05:16 PM

I will fight to try to change things. And if I see that the battle is lost, I cannot rule out leaving France."

lets hope that idea catches on.

good on the french, non muslims living in islamic countries are restricted in everything they do, why shouldnt the french make a stand and uphold what they believe is right.

**bretby** · 13-08-2009, 05:17 PM

I don`t usually have many good things to say about the French but their stance on the burka issues and their deeper concerns that the perception of these women when covered in such ways in France undermines not only a woman`s dignity but helps to promote an atmosphere of suspicion and intolerance of ethnic groups gets my backing.

**Texpat** · 13-08-2009, 05:19 PM

Thirded.

If they don't like it, they can fuck off home -- just as a western woman would have to do if caught wearing a western swimsuit in a pool in Saudi. After getting stoned, of course.

**slackula** · 13-08-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

In Japan, late 80s, I was at a very large hotel in Kyoto, where they demanded guests at the swimming pool cover their tattoos with gauze and tape. Some of the whiteys looked like they had lost a fight with a lion. A few Japs, too. It was funny as fuk.

Yakuza? In my pool? It's more likely than you think!

**kebabman7** · 14-08-2009, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

At the pool, staff "reminded [the woman] of the rules that apply in all (public) swimming pools which forbid swimming while clothed," pool management official Daniel Guillaume was quoted by AFP as saying.

If thems the rules then thems the rules, swim elsewhere, don't break the rules then start bleating about religion.

**TizMe** · 14-08-2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Texpat

Thirded.

If they don't like it, they can fuck off home -- just as a western woman would have to do if caught wearing a western swimsuit in a pool in Saudi. After getting stoned, of course.

I take it that you haven't been to Saudi then..

**Chong Boy** · 14-08-2009, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Texpat

In Japan, late 80s, I was at a very large hotel in Kyoto, where they demanded guests at the swimming pool cover their tattoos with gauze and tape. Some of the whiteys looked like they had lost a fight with a lion. A few Japs, too. It was funny as fuk.

LMAO! that would have been funny as fcuk

**mooncake** · 14-08-2009, 07:59 AM

I am absolutely NOT wearing winter pajamas to the beach!!!

**MustavaMond** · 14-08-2009, 08:22 AM

Pools have rules about wearing clthes as the fibers mess with the filters, I would think a " Burkini " would be made of swimsuit like fabric which would not cause this problem.
This is all about restricting a woman's choice to NOT display her body.
It is a knee jerk reaction to what many in Europe consider a big problem, infiltrating Islamic ideas.
Just make enforcable laws that cover all rights and stop with the petty Muslim-Phobia BS.

None of the rules and laws regarding women covering themselves or suppressing females or sexuality are in the Koran, all that crap comes from sexist cultures that interpret vague passages in order to further political agendas of old goats that are terrified of female sexuality and the power it really has.

In a diametrically opposite way, just as sexist as western societies that have women parading around showing as much skin as possible, spending hours each day grooming, etc. in order to fullfill the most important objective, to be viewed as "sexy."

Yeah, really no difference at all- cover 'em up or display, where is the happy, unsexualized medium for women?

**crazy dog** · 14-08-2009, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by TizMe

Originally Posted by Texpat

Thirded.

If they don't like it, they can fuck off home -- just as a western woman would have to do if caught wearing a western swimsuit in a pool in Saudi. After getting stoned, of course.

I take it that you haven't been to Saudi then..

Are there public pools in Saudi where women can go dressed in western bikinis then? I doubt it very much, how about a local Church to go to or western civil law in place if the westerner does not fancy sharia law. Do westerners have the right to buy alcohol as it's part of western culture so surely they should be able to demand just what rights they fancy in a foreign culture.

**Rural Surin** · 14-08-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by taxexile

I will fight to try to change things. And if I see that the battle is lost, I cannot rule out leaving France."

lets hope that idea catches on.

good on the french, non muslims living in islamic countries are restricted in everything they do, why shouldnt the french make a stand and uphold what they believe is right.

Comes full circle. How this all came about.....non-muslims {French} living, occupying, colonializing Islamic countries.

**panama hat** · 14-08-2009, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Texpat

If they don't like it, they can fuck off home

Umm, she's French

Originally Posted by Texpat

just as a western woman would have to do if caught wearing a western swimsuit in a pool in Saudi.

Didn't you know that swimming pools are segragated?

Originally Posted by TizMe

I take it that you haven't been to Saudi then..

Evidently not

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

I would think a " Burkini " would be made of swimsuit like fabric which would not cause this problem.

One would think so

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Are there public pools in Saudi where women can go dressed in western bikinis then?

Why thsi fascination with Saudi Arabia when any comparison comes up? Try Dubai, Kuwait etc... Yes

Originally Posted by crazy dog

how about a local Church to go to

Yes

Originally Posted by crazy dog

western civil law in place if the westerner does not fancy sharia law

Yes . . .

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Do westerners have the right to buy alcohol

Yes they do

Any more concerns?

Honestly, why is everything immediately compared to Saudi Arabia? Why take the extremes to try to make your case?

Childish and immature argumentation

**crazy dog** · 14-08-2009, 09:52 AM

Why not compare to Saudi, it's a Muslim country ain't it? and one whose laws and restrictions many groups in the west would like to see adopted in Europe.

**barbaro** · 14-08-2009, 10:04 AM

Those that want to wear a burkina can go to Saudi for holiday.

A good suit. Pun intended.

**FlyFree** · 14-08-2009, 10:15 AM

How would dogging go down in Saudi I wonder. It's a Brit cultural thing isn't it?

**mao say dung** · 14-08-2009, 10:35 AM

So, Mr. Hat, are you saying that there are no restrictions on a westerners' customary lifestyle choices when they live in a place like Dubai or Kuwait? I've never been to an Arab country and haven't a clue. It would be nice to know so it would be possible to compare.

**panama hat** · 14-08-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by crazy dog

Why not compare to Saudi, it's a Muslim country ain't it? and one whose laws and restrictions many groups in the west would like to see adopted in Europe.

I'd suggest that comparing France to Saudi as being disingenuous . . . why go to the extremes when discussing an issue like this. The same thing goes for 'if you don't like it then go join the Taleban' . . .

I'm not sure 'many' groups want to replicate the Taleban laws or Saudi in Europe.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

So, Mr. Hat, are you saying that there are no restrictions on a westerners' customary lifestyle choices when they live in a place like Dubai or Kuwait? I've never been to an Arab country and haven't a clue. It would be nice to know so it would be possible to compare.

Of course there are restrictions, just like there are restrictions the other way around.
Taking Dubai as an example, you will find sloppy, trampy Ukranian and Russian Mafia slags walking around with loose singlets, swinging their boobs about with gay abandon . . . as well as ultra-conservative, mask-wearing Arab women . . .

I've seen western women swim in normal attire in hotel pools and the beaches.

The problem with comparing something to an extreme is that - at least on this forum - the extreme is then taken as the norm, which it is not.

Ask KW about Indon, go to Bali and see topless sunbathing . . . and though Bali is not majority Muslim, it is part of a Mualim country.

Here in Malaysia there are very few things you cannot do compared to the West . . . you are judged differently and are not under sharia law, rather under constitutional law based on the British system of laws.

Don't get me wrong, I find saudi to be a xenophobic, backward and downright nasty country . . . but then why would I compare it to France?

**crazy dog** · 14-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

I'm not sure 'many' groups want to replicate the Taleban laws or Saudi in Europe.

Well I don't want to go to the 'extreme' of mentioning France but in the UK there is a very long list of Saudi inspired and funded groups, and many mosques in the UK have been funded with Saudi money. Why do YOU go to the extreme of mentioning the Taleban, don't think anyone else brought them up. Glad to see that at least you agree that Saudi is extreme, it's just a vast open air mental asylum really who get get away with murder (literally) in the west because they have so much oil.
As far as other muslim coutries are concerned they are a really tolerant lot are they not. always in the news for burning christians, beheading pastors or going on the rampage, and that's just last week.

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