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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Now the pigeons are coming home to roost, who are the extremists going to blame?The ultra right wing, Christian, white extremists have plenty of followers including a few here on the board. There must be tens of millions of those brainwashed nutters out there.
    I think ducks would be a better metaphor, their arguments are so flawed and they are so inflexible in their opinions that it really is a duck shoot every time they make themselves noticed with their ignorance.

    Jesus Jones specialises in cut and paste, but try and debate with him on the topics he raises and you'll find he is irrational and misguided, to put it politely.

    Jet is an agent provocoteur that prefers to evade questioning and will try to change the subject once she is on the back foot and then resorts to hit and run tactics to prolong any argument.

    I'd trade the pair of them in for Boon Mee anyday, he did what they are both attempting with style, a sense of humour and an awareness of the irony in right wing propaganda. He at least is smart enough to know that the game is up for the hard right and has got better things to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife
    I'd trade the pair of them in for Boon Mee anyday, he did what they are both attempting with style, a sense of humour and an awareness of the irony in right wing propaganda. He at least is smart enough to know that the game is up for the hard right and has got better things to do.
    Boon Mee would hate this . . . but I'd agree with your assertions.

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    That nut-job who killed at the Holocaust Museum was just that. A whack-job - not right or left. Now, here's a little video to warm the cockles of your Progressive hearts!



    More and more folks are waking up to the fact ^

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    Skilled social engineering at it's finest. Repeated over and over again, any stimulation can become true and real. Nothing has changed. Same as it ever was...you don't really think the establishment cabal were going to relinquish their holdings, did ya? Conspiracies on every corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Now the pigeons are coming home to roost, who are the extremists going to blame?The ultra right wing, Christian, white extremists have plenty of followers including a few here on the board. There must be tens of millions of those brainwashed nutters out there.
    I think ducks would be a better metaphor, their arguments are so flawed and they are so inflexible in their opinions that it really is a duck shoot every time they make themselves noticed with their ignorance.

    Jesus Jones specialises in cut and paste, but try and debate with him on the topics he raises and you'll find he is irrational and misguided, to put it politely.

    Jet is an agent provocoteur that prefers to evade questioning and will try to change the subject once she is on the back foot and then resorts to hit and run tactics to prolong any argument.

    I'd trade the pair of them in for Boon Mee anyday, he did what they are both attempting with style, a sense of humour and an awareness of the irony in right wing propaganda. He at least is smart enough to know that the game is up for the hard right and has got better things to do.
    Well said, Robby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^ more venal dishonesty from attaboy.

    i have to search through 6,000 posts for something he wants...and if i don't, i'm running away.

    FknA ray, all you gotta do is use the search function for "apologize" or "mistake".

    could he be more deceitfully dishonest? i honestly don't think so....but that's just my honest opinion....and i assure you that my intentions are honorable.

    truly.



    now as much as attaboy wants this thread to be about him, let's try to get back on topic.


    i was reminded today of the weeks before the previous presidential election....either mccain or palin were giving a stump speech somewhere, and some of the right-wingers in the crowd yelled, "kill him" when obama's name was mentioned. mccain, to his credit, didn't support this type of violent rhetoric or extremism, but i think it indicates who these right-wing domestic terrorists have infiltrated the present day republican party.

    This was debunked during the election. It's crumbs on your part to post this.
    http://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post831374



    it's also quite troubling to read what is being broadcast on hate-filled AM talk radio. it could be argued that limbaugh, hannity, the 'savage nation', etc... are inciting violence and domestic terrorism.
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    I think we need to know whether these people play violent video games and listen to rap music too. Clearly their violent behavior can be blamed on the rivalry between TuPac Shakur and Biggie Smalls. Everyone listens to Tupac's and Biggie's music so there is no doubt it had some play in the murders. I bet Scott Roeder played allot of Grand Theft Auto.

    It didn't rain here today. It must be global warming. I mean we are experiencing global warming and it didn't rain. The two must be related. It rained this day in past years but it didn't rain this day this year. Clearly it's proof of global warming.

    I forgot heavy metal music. It supposably generates violence too. There were lawsuits brought by parents whose children listend to heavy metal. None of them won their cases. The right of free speech prevailed, thank goodness. What about grunge music and mosh pits? Plenty of white kids pushing and shoving. I bet Von Brunn attended Nirvana concerts back in the 90s when he was in his mid 70s. Certainly Von Brunn, an 88 year old white supremacist, who stated he wanted to 'die with his boots on' must have been goaded to act while listening to his radio or while watching his television. I mean why would he have gone on his death-wish mission when he had so much more of his life to live?



    He had to have been provoked by O'Reilley to carryout his last mission prematurely. Just for the record, Von Brunn wasn't on welfare. He was upset his Social security check had been reduced and he was certain the government had reduced the payment because of his outspoken beliefs.

    He was a conspiracy nut consumed with bitterness that his Mensa status and military record got him no where in life. It's a pretty classic case if I'm not mistaken: a person feels he got the short stick in life, his talents were never appreciated, he blames someone else for life not being fair, for fate not delivering him, so he makes his mark by splashing himself in the news. For this talk radio and O'Reilly should be blamed? Ray trolls hoping to gather a few in his net, a few who will say, yeah, ray's right. Every little bit contributes to the toppling of his political opponents. He operates on crumbs. He is at the crumb level of the leftist cause.

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    ^ Why are you trying to obfuscate the issue, attaboy? The man had an agenda and a background . . . why would you want to hide or negate that?

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    I laugh at every one of your posts, Robski. Another union type who has never built his own business or had an original idea to do so, and is just biding time to get a UK pension to retire on the cheap in Thailand. Loser mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    I laugh at every one of your posts, Robski. Another union type who has never built his own business or had an original idea to do so, and is just biding time to get a UK pension to retire on the cheap in Thailand. Loser mentality.
    Know him well, do ya Jet?

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    Must be time for another of these Jet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy
    It's a pretty classic case if I'm not mistaken: a person feels he got the short stick in life, his talents were never appreciated, he blames someone else for life not being fair, for fate not delivering him, so he makes his mark by splashing himself in the news. For this talk radio and O'Reilly should be blamed?
    i heard an interesting analogy today....hate filled, AM talk radio is like a dog whistle.


    btw attaboy, you've posted that you listen to 'the savage nation' and rush limbaugh.....just out of curiosity, how many hours of AM 'conservative' talk radio do you listen to each week?

    don't throw about your typical strawmen or obfuscations.....just a simple figure will suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife View Post
    The question is fundamental if you support the execution of abortionists. . .
    How about another question, about something that has long puzzled me about extreme anti-abortion (anti-choice) rhetoric (I say "extreme" because is anyone in their right mind actually "pro-abortion", as opposed to pro-choice?)?

    Let's take two premises of the anti-choice position taken by those tacitly or otherwise supporting the actions of the murderer of Dr. Tiller:

    1) There is no difference between an unborn fetus and "born" human, i.e., a fetus is entitled to the same protection as any newborn baby, child or adult;
    2) Therefore, abortion is the murder of innocent children.

    If one honestly believes that children, or adults for that matter, are being routinely murdered in cold blood, how can one go too far to prevent it, even if the murder is somehow legal? Most people would accept that a cop or a private citizen has the right to use deadly force to prevent the murder of innocent victim. For example, if I see a child being attacked on the street by a knife-wielding lunatic, I can't imagine a judge or a jury in any country, be it North Korea or Sweden, convicting me of murder if I pick up the nearest heavy object and crack the loonie's skull. In fact, I would probably be feted for it; by the same token, were I to stand by watching without intervening I could in some places be charged with a crime for my inaction. Accepting the premise that "abortion is murder", if doctors and nurses are engaged in performing abortions wouldn't any right-thinking adult be justified, or indeed obliged, to stop it happening immediately? Therefore, how can we expect people who honestly believe that abortion is the murder of children to refrain from doing anything and everything within their power, including using violence, to stop the practice?

    I therefore submit that people who do accept premises 1 and 2 above are morally obliged to act as the Tiller assassin; in fact, if children are actually being murdered, his actions did not go nearly far enough. If they do not do so they either don't actually believe what they are saying (premises 1 and 2) or they are moral cowards. As a result, it seems to me the majority of anti-abortion extremists don't actually quite believe their own rhetoric.

    I apologize for the didactic tone of this post, but I am under the impression that gaining the comprehension of certain posters on TD (quite a few, actually) requires that one speak veeeery slowly.
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    Ummm.. Can you say that again and break it down into simple, easy to read short paragraphs?

    Just a point. The difference in law between murder and manslaughter, or negligence causing death is "intent". If there is an intent to kill, then its murder. If there was no intent then its not murder. Often the issue of intent is decided on the basis of what would be considered to be "reasonable force". Not that it has much to do with current abortion debate, but just trying to point out a possible misconception re your example of cracking the looney knife wielding child killer won the skull with a rock. The thing is that you must hit him only hard enough to make him stop what he is doing. If your intent is to kill him in order to prevent the attack then its murder. There are a lot of grey areas here I know. People have been hung or walked free on the spiel of a good lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Ummm.. Can you say that again and break it down into simple, easy to read short paragraphs?
    You're kidding, right?

    If you really believe there is a building in your town, or anywhere, in which babies are being murdered, how can you not do anything in your power, including the use of violence, to put a stop to it? It doesn't matter if said murder is in some bizarre way legally sanctioned. If the only thing stopping you is fear of punishment you are a moral coward. Let's not even go as far as murder- if you see a child being beaten up on the street, is your first impulse not to stop it immediately, whatever the consequences might be for you?

    John Brown might be a good historical example of what I am talking about, except I think the legal murder of babies, were it actually taking place, would be even worse than the institution of slavery. If you were a contemporary of John Brown you might convincingly argue that slavery should be done away with gradually, whereas the murder of babies (again, if it were actually taking place) couldn't be allowed to continue for another moment.

    The abortion clinic bombers and doctor assassins apparently believe their own rhetoric. The people that think that parading with "Abortion is Murder" signs and harassing women walking into clinics is an acceptable response to the systematic murder of babies don't make sense to me.

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    Yea, fair enough. But why not pick em off with a sniper rifle rather than using a hand gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife View Post
    Jet is an agent provocoteur that prefers to evade questioning and will try to change the subject once she is on the back foot and then resorts to hit and run tactics to prolong any argument.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    I laugh at every one of your posts, Robski. Another union type who has never built his own business or had an original idea to do so, and is just biding time to get a UK pension to retire on the cheap in Thailand. Loser mentality.
    Checkmate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Now the pigeons are coming home to roost, who are the extremists going to blame?The ultra right wing, Christian, white extremists have plenty of followers including a few here on the board. There must be tens of millions of those brainwashed nutters out there.
    I think ducks would be a better metaphor, their arguments are so flawed and they are so inflexible in their opinions that it really is a duck shoot every time they make themselves noticed with their ignorance.

    Jesus Jones specialises in cut and paste, but try and debate with him on the topics he raises and you'll find he is irrational and misguided, to put it politely.

    Jet is an agent provocoteur that prefers to evade questioning and will try to change the subject once she is on the back foot and then resorts to hit and run tactics to prolong any argument.

    I'd trade the pair of them in for Boon Mee anyday, he did what they are both attempting with style, a sense of humour and an awareness of the irony in right wing propaganda. He at least is smart enough to know that the game is up for the hard right and has got better things to do.

    That's odd as I don't recall anyone getting into a debate over my 'cut and pastes'. Like it or not i'm simply spreading news which you may consider alternative and uninteresting. The only debate I do recall was the one you challanged me on the other day which I believe may have been in response to the red I left you. I'm not in to the girls knickers thread, and I'm not hear to make internet buddies. There's about 10% of threads that interest me on this forum, and that's not an insult by the way. I don't hang around here 24hrs a day, I have other things to do of greater interest and importance. This site, which i do enjoy is just a break from the norm for me. Is it you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    If you really believe there is a building in your town, or anywhere, in which babies are being murdered, how can you not do anything in your power, including the use of violence, to put a stop to it? It doesn't matter if said murder is in some bizarre way legally sanctioned.
    It may seem bizzare to you, but abortion does have legal sanction based on broad professional opinion and there can be no justification for murdering an abortionist operating within the law.

    Anybody that thinks they have the right to murder another person based on their own moral values and regardless of the law is unstable and an obvious danger to society.

    No doubt if they didn't vent their moral instability over the abortion law, they would find another issue with which to fantasise or indeed carry out their homicidal tendencies.

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    ^ i believe robuzo's point to be that jet and her ilk are either cowards or poseurs.

    because if they really thought that abortion was actually babies being murdered....how could they do nothing except bitch about it on thai based internet forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    If you really believe there is a building in your town, or anywhere, in which babies are being murdered, how can you not do anything in your power, including the use of violence, to put a stop to it? It doesn't matter if said murder is in some bizarre way legally sanctioned.
    It may seem bizzare to you, but abortion does have legal sanction based on broad professional opinion and there can be no justification for murdering an abortionist operating within the law.

    Anybody that thinks they have the right to murder another person based on their own moral values and regardless of the law is unstable and an obvious danger to society.

    No doubt if they didn't vent their moral instability over the abortion law, they would find another issue with which to fantasise or indeed carry out their homicidal tendencies.
    Maybe I should have written "It wouldn't matter if said murder were in some bizarre way legally sanctioned" I'm pro-choice, by the way.

    As to "find another issue with which to fantasise or indeed carry out their homicidal tendencies"- there is a lot of talk about Obama ushering in fascism these days. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    If you really believe there is a building in your town, or anywhere, in which babies are being murdered, how can you not do anything in your power, including the use of violence, to put a stop to it? It doesn't matter if said murder is in some bizarre way legally sanctioned.
    It may seem bizzare to you, but abortion does have legal sanction based on broad professional opinion and there can be no justification for murdering an abortionist operating within the law.

    Anybody that thinks they have the right to murder another person based on their own moral values and regardless of the law is unstable and an obvious danger to society.

    No doubt if they didn't vent their moral instability over the abortion law, they would find another issue with which to fantasise or indeed carry out their homicidal tendencies.
    Maybe I should have written "It wouldn't matter if said murder were in some bizarre way legally sanctioned" I'm pro-choice, by the way.

    As to "find another issue with which to fantasise or indeed carry out their homicidal tendencies"- there is a lot of talk about Obama ushering in fascism these days. . .
    Yes I must have misread it somehow or perhaps I just don't know your character well enough.

    As for the talk of Obama ushering in Facism, we would find no humour in the American Right if all their beliefs weren't paradoxical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^ i believe robuzo's point to be that jet and her ilk are either cowards or poseurs.
    That's pretty much exactly it. Also, I think the extremist anti-abortion organizations in the US should be treated as terrorist groups, because if their rhetoric is taken at face value they have no choice morally but to take Eric Rudolph-style action. In retrospect most people believe the mass murder of Jews, gypsies, gays, the handicapped, and others provided all the moral basis needed for prosecuting WWII; the mass murder of babies would surely be just as awful if it were happening (which it obviously isn't).

    I don't see how someone can say with a straight face, "I think abortion is the murder of babies, but you don't, so we'll have to agree to disagree and try to work it out in the courts, while thousands more babies are killed." Maybe if they said, "Abortion is something like the murder of babies," but they pretty clearly aren't saying that. They might say that as Christians they don't meet violence with violence- that would be tough one for the Catholics to sell given their history, and even the Quakers don't stand idly by in the face of injustice (recall the Christiana Riot).

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    Right-wing domestic terrorists seek funding, get nabbed

    Killed a little girl in the process. Nice people, these "Minutemen".

    Shawna Forde, Minutemen Leader, Arrested In Double Killing In Arizona
    PHOENIX — Two of three people arrested in a southern Arizona home invasion that left a little girl and her father dead had connections to a Washington state anti-illegal immigration group that conducts border watch activities in Arizona.

    Jason Eugene Bush, 34, Shawna Forde, 41, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 42, have been charged with two counts each of first-degree murder and other charges, said Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima County, Ariz.

    The trio are alleged to have dressed as law enforcement officers and forced their way into a home about 10 miles north of the Mexican border in rural Arivaca on May 30, wounding a woman and fatally shooting her husband and their 9-year-old daughter. Their motive was financial, Dupnik said.

    "The husband who was murdered has a history of being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location as well as the possibility of drugs," Dupnik said.

    Forde is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a small border watch group, and Bush goes by the nickname "Gunny" and is its operations director, according to the group's Web site. She is from Everett, Wash., has recently been living in Arizona and was once associated with the better known and larger Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

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