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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    can't wait for the first right wingers do an act of suicide bombing in the name of freedom and patriotism,
    I believe they have.....a time or 5.

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    The sacrificial lamb McVeigh among others, springs to mind

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    Hey, there's what would have been the next Mozart and the kid below woulda been another Obama.







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    Really classy Jet . . . just what we've come to expect from you. Did you have fun searching for those photos?

    So, you're anti-abortion then or is this another 'ruse' to trick the libbies?

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    ^ the photos (likely photoshopped), were taken from a radical website whose intention is to shut down women's health care centers in the US.

    right click on the photo and select 'properties'.

    btw, i've been thinking about jet threatening to shoot the US secretary of health and human services......isn't that a crime?

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    That's sick Jet. Air your views by all means but there was no need to do that.

    I continue to stand tall among all this sh*t-mongering.


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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Really classy Jet . . . just what we've come to expect from you. Did you have fun searching for those photos?

    So, you're anti-abortion then or is this another 'ruse' to trick the libbies?
    Roundabout, she's is very bitter {broadly speaking} about one thing or another, isn't she?

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    Jet,

    Regarding those 2 pics above.

    How do we know that they are from what is claimed? Miscarriage?

    We don't know. Where is the source for those pics? These pics don't show us anything. They don't tell us anything. Interesting how you didn't tell us where they are from.

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    I don’t know if he’s right-wing or not,………but he seems to be after reading the up dates.

    Shooting at Holocaust Museum in DC

    Law enforcement officials identified the suspect as James Wenneker von Brunn, born in 1920, from the Eastern Shore of Maryland, NBC News reported. NBC said he may have had connections to hate groups or anti-government groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    Jet,

    Regarding those 2 pics above.

    How do we know that they are from what is claimed? Miscarriage?

    We don't know. Where is the source for those pics? These pics don't show us anything. They don't tell us anything. Interesting how you didn't tell us where they are from.
    Sorry, forgot to post the link. There are many.
    Abortion pictures, partial birth abortion photos, aborted babies
    The Abortion Gallery

    So, you boys think I am sick for posting these pics? Not sorry for doing so as this is what happens when kids are aborted in the tri-semester. Deal with it. It's real.

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    In the third trimester, a woman whose health, whose future fertility,
    or whose life is placed in jeopardy by the pregnancy is the
    only reason that that pregnancy can be terminated.


    approximately four one-hundredths of one percent (.04%)
    are performed in the third trimester or after viability


    So-called "Partial Birth Abortion" Bans and Third Trimester Abortions

    I have no idea about the viability of those photoes, but I note they are from a rabid anti-abortion site. Above however are some facts.
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    ^ "Facts" from a pro-abortion site? Okay...

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    I don’t know if he’s right-wing or not,………but he seems to be after reading the up dates.

    Shooting at Holocaust Museum in DC

    Law enforcement officials identified the suspect as James Wenneker von Brunn, born in 1920, from the Eastern Shore of Maryland, NBC News reported. NBC said he may have had connections to hate groups or anti-government groups.

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    more info on this most recent right-wing domestic terrorist....

    (he) once tried to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve board, a "caper" thwarted when a guard captured him outside a board meeting carrying a bag stuffed with weapons.
    i think we'll eventually find out this guy was somehow involved with the tea baggers.

    museum shooting suspect - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Deal with it. It's real.
    as i already posted...those photos are likely photoshopped.

    but let's talk about 'real'. do you know what's 'real', jet?

    the law.

    tiller was following the the law of the nation and his state.

    and do you know what is against the law?

    threatening to shoot the US secretary of health and human services.....like you did on another thread.

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    Well yes, they are facts Jet. The site is unreservedly 'Pro choice' but it is just quoting facts- third trimester terminations are not performed in the US on the basis of 'Choice', ie Mommy changing her mind- that can only happen in the early stage of pregnancy. And, as you can see, they involve one in 250 or so terminations.

    So narrowing the whole Abortion debate to late term pregnancies is disengenous in the extreme.

    I assume then that you do not believe you have the right or choice to terminate a pregnancy even if your life is endangered, or (perish the thought) you were raped? Well, thats fine- after all, it is Your choice.

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    ^ Well, if I was raped, I reckon I'd get the abortion well before the time of partial birth abortion. Dunno about endangerment of mom's health -- wouldn't the doc know before that time whether the mom could carry the baby to term? Personally, if I had a choice of saving a crack-using mom or her baby, I think you know who I would choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    In the third trimester, a woman whose health, whose future fertility,
    or whose life is placed in jeopardy by the pregnancy is the
    only reason that that pregnancy can be terminated.


    approximately four one-hundredths of one percent (.04%)
    are performed in the third trimester or after viability

    So-called "Partial Birth Abortion" Bans and Third Trimester Abortions

    I have no idea about the viability of those photoes, but I note they are from a rabid anti-abortion site. Above however are some facts.
    If its a life or death death decision for the mother then thats an easy one most people would accept.

    Killing a viable foetus in the third trimester because it may affect the mothers future fertility sounds a bit extreme to me and I am sure most other people.

    Killing a viable foetus in the third trimester because it may affect the mothers health would have to be a very subjective judgement. Degree of impairment to health and treatability of the health risk would have to be considerations.

    Babies born prematurely in the third trimester have a VERY GOOD chance of survival. Certainly someone you know and some posters here were born prematurely.

    BBC - Radio 4 - Archers - The Archers - Premature babies
    "Are premature babies likely to survive?
    Yes. The outlook for premature infants has improved dramatically in recent years. Even babies born as early as 25 weeks now have a good chance of surviving. More than 90 per cent of premature babies who weigh 800 grams (a little less than two pounds) or more survive. Those who weigh more than 500 grams (a little more than 1 pound) have a 40% to 50% chance of survival."


    Cesarean section rather than killing the foetus in the third trimester has certainly got to be a more ethical choice. The problem then comes down to one of finances.
    Intensive medical care for premature babies is extremely expensive and may be ongoing for many months. Who is going to pay? And who is going to care for the infant when it is fit to leave hospital? Adoption is one possibility.

    In the meantime, its a whole lot cheaper and easier to just kill the baby before its born and be done with it.

    While early abortions are a debatable grey area in my mind, late term, third term abortions are little short of murder IMHO.

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    even a FIX news host knows these right-wing bloggers and terrorists are alarming....




    btw, apparently that guy who shot the museum security guard was a 'birther'.

    a birther is someone who doesn't believe that obama was born in the US......just like a few of our resident knuckle draggers.

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    ^Its America. What else would you expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    The problem then comes down to one of finances.
    Intensive medical care for premature babies is extremely expensive and may be ongoing for many months.
    True. I don't know the costs, but I don't think partial birth abortions are free either. Still, anyone who needs ER attention in the US gets it free. The procedures for partial abortions are horrific. I will post the info and pics if you like.

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    ^ Partial birth abortions are very rare and only done if the mother's health is in imminent danger or such matters, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    ^ Partial birth abortions are very rare and only done if the mother's health is in imminent danger or such matters, correct?
    Yes, but don't let the facts get in the way of a loonie showing everyone how nuts she is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    It's real.
    What's real is that you are mentally disturbed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Deal with it.
    Yes, you should . . .

    You have no children, have you, Jet? Let us just hope that you have never been in a situation where you need to make the choice, though you have stated that you would not support a 'choice'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    Partial birth abortions are very rare and only done if the mother's health is in imminent danger or such matters, correct?
    Not sure about the rarity but you are correct re the law. Also, I believe they are allowed if the fetus is known to have little or no chance of survival after birth.

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    Kill the man then offer to buy his business! Fanatics par excellence.

    "The pro-life group Operation Rescue, based in the same central Kansas city where George Tiller ran his late-term abortion practice, is considering purchasing his abortion center now that it has closed down. OR president Troy Newman's comments come after Tiller's family said it would close the abortion facility."

    "I would love to make an offer on that abortion clinic, and that's some of the discussion that we're having," Newman told the Associated Press in an interview Tuesday. We need a bigger office."

    Pro-Life Group Operation Rescue May Attempt to Buy George Tiller's Abortion Center
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Well, if I was raped, I reckon I'd get the abortion well before the time of partial birth abortion.
    You would have to if you lived in Kansas. No pharmacy would sell you morning after pills.

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