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    American Government - Lobbyist's wet dream

    Apart from the overt imperialsm ,thinly disguised as ' The War against Terror ' ,shown by the current leadership , something that affects more citizens in the world is the grossly unfair Free Trade Agreements being bullied into being by american negotiators. These agreements focus heavily on the adoption of americas hopelessly co-opted copyright and patent laws to the detriment of free trade .

    below is an article from the Asia Times Online.
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southea.../HF17Ae01.html

    World health: A lethal dose of US politics
    By Dylan C Williams

    BANGKOK - When World Health Organization (WHO) director general Lee Jong-wook died of a cerebral hemorrhage last month before the start of the United Nations agency's annual World Health Assembly, the world's most prominent public-health official was arguably of a conflicted mind.

    The WHO veteran was caught in the middle of an intensifying global debate over how to reconcile intellectual-property protection with the pressing public-health need to expand access to expensive life-saving medicines, a hot-button issue that has sharply divided WHO member states along developed- and developing-country lines.

    An Asia Times Online investigation reveals that at the time of his death, Lee, a South Korean national, had closely aligned himself with the US government and by association US corporate interests, often to the detriment of the WHO's most vital commitments and positions, including its current drive to promote the production and marketing of affordable generic antiretroviral drugs for millions of poor infected with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), which can cause AIDS.

    According to senior and middle-ranking WHO officials familiar with the situation, Lee blatantly bent to US government pressure in March when he made the controversial decision to recall the WHO country representative to Thailand, William Aldis, who had served less than 16 months in what traditionally has been a four-year or longer posting.

    A wrong opinion
    Aldis had made the mistake of penning a critical opinion piece in the Bangkok Post newspaper in February that argued in consonance with WHO positions that Thailand should carefully consider before surrendering its sovereign right to produce or import generic life-saving medicines as allowed by the World Trade Organization (WTO) in exchange for a bilateral free-trade agreement (FTA) with the United States, which is currently under negotiation.

    The WHO official also wrote that the stricter intellectual-property protection measures in the proposed US-Thai FTA would inevitably lead to higher drug prices and thereby jeopardize the lives of "hundreds of thousands" of Thai citizens who now depend on access to locally produced cheap medicines to survive. He noted too that the Thai government's current production of generic treatments had allowed the country to reduce AIDS-related deaths by a whopping 79%.

    Aldis' arguments directly mirrored stated WHO positions, but significantly were at direct odds with the objectives of current US trade policy, which through the establishment of bilateral FTAs aims to bind signatory countries into extending their national intellectual-property legislation far beyond the parameters of current WTO agreed standards.

    A recent US Congressional Research Service report states that the United States' main purpose for pursuing bilateral FTAs is to advance US intellectual-property protection rather than promoting more free trade. The Bipartisan Trade Promotion Authority Act of 2002, the applicable US legislation for bilateral FTAs, states explicitly that Trade-Related Intellectual Property Standards, or TRIPS, are by law non-negotiable and must reflect a standard of protection similar to that found in US law.

    A US ambassador to the UN in Geneva paid a private visit to Lee on March 23 to express Washington's displeasure with Aldis' newspaper commentary, according to WHO officials familiar with the meeting. A follow-up letter from the US government addressed to Lee strongly impressed Washington's view of the importance of the WHO to remain "neutral and objective" and requested that Lee personally remind senior WHO officials of those commitments, according to a WHO staff member who reviewed the correspondence.

    The next day, Lee informed the regional office in New Delhi of his decision to recall Aldis.

    Perhaps strategically, Aldis' removal coincided with the height of Thailand's recent political crisis, and failed to generate any local media attention at the time. Internally, Lee had characterized Aldis' transfer to a research position of considerable less authority in New Delhi as a promotion.

    But a Geneva-based WHO official familiar with the situation said the article "was seen as stepping over unseen boundaries which the director general set for himself and his staff when dealing with the US. It was a disappointing reaction, a sad reaction, but under Lee's administration not a surprise."

    Suwit Wibulpolprasert, senior adviser to the Thai Ministry of Public Health, early this month sent a formal letter to acting WHO director general Anders Nordstrom, requesting an official explanation for Aldis' abrupt removal.

    According to a WHO official in Geneva with knowledge of the correspondence, the letter raised questions about possible US influence behind the irregular personnel rotation and said that if the WHO decision was motivated by Aldis' comments on the US-Thai FTA, then the WHO should reconsider the transfer.

    Suwit also raised his concerns about the level of transparency and freedom of speech inside the WHO. In e-mail communication with this correspondent, Suwit said WHO officials had already denied that Aldis' recall was related to the opinions stated in the Bangkok Post article. A regional WHO official in New Delhi told a senior Thai public-health official that Aldis' removal was related to "inefficiency" in performing his functions - a characterization that Thai officials who worked alongside him through the 2004 tsunami and ongoing avian-influenza scare have privately contested.

    News of Aldis' transfer, which oddly was first leaked by a Bangkok-based US official, quickly spread through the global health organization. The June edition of the highly regarded medical journal The Lancet, which otherwise painted a flattering portrait of Lee's tenure, drew on anonymous WHO sources to characterize Lee's decision on Aldis as a "clear signal of US influence on WHO".

    A senior WHO official who spoke to Asia Times Online on condition of anonymity believes that Lee's decision and its subsequent leak by the US government was specifically designed to engender more self-censorship among other WHO country representatives when they comment publicly on the intersection of US trade and WHO public-health policies.

    A large number of WHO staff members are employed on renewable 11-month contracts, meaning that their standing inside the organization is on perpetually shaky ground and hence curbs their ability to voice critical opinions.
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    Mixing health and commerce
    Aldis, a US national and permanent WHO staffer, was known among his colleagues for privately airing views critical of the Bush administration and its policy toward the WHO, particularly in relation to the US government's alleged tendency to mix its commercial and public-health agendas.

    Aldis reportedly chafed at WHO regional headquarters' instructions to receive representatives from US corporations and introduce them to senior Thai government officials to whom the private company representatives hoped to sell big-ticket projects and products.

    In recent months, major US companies such as pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and technology company IBM have asked the WHO in Thailand to facilitate access to senior Thai officials. In turn, some senior WHO staff members have expressed their concerns about a possible conflict of interests, as the requested appointments were notably not related to any ongoing WHO technical-assistance program with the Thai government.

    It's not the first time that the US has played hardball with the WHO and Thailand. In 1998, when member nations proposed that the WHO be granted more power to monitor international trade agreements and their effects on global public health, particularly in relation to the access to patented medicines in developing countries, the US government threatened to withhold funding to the organization.

    Under that financial threat, the WHO has since largely refrained from commenting critically on the drug-patent issue. International and independent non-governmental organizations (NGOs) such as Oxfam and Medecins Sans Frontieres have filled the WHO's leadership vacuum on the issue by filling the information gap with highly critical research reports.

    From the United States' perspective, Aldis, and by association the WHO, had publicly sided with Thailand on the pivotal drug-patent debate during a crucial stage in the FTA negotiations. Washington reportedly hopes that the comprehensive deal it is pursuing with Thailand will serve as a template for other bilateral trade pacts in the region, including soon-to-be-negotiated deals with Malaysia and Indonesia.

    Thai civil-society groups, meanwhile, have complained about the lack of transparency surrounding the negotiations, which caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has unilaterally conducted without consultations with parliament.

    The US and Thailand have in the past sparred over the Thai government's decision to use its WTO-approved compulsory licensing rights to produce certain generic antiretroviral drugs for HIV carriers and AIDS sufferers. In 2001, for example, Washington threatened retaliatory trade sanctions, including curbs on sensitive Thai export products, if the Thai government allowed the production of certain generic antiretroviral drugs.

    Thai activists, meanwhile, have given certain US pharmaceutical companies legal fits. In 2001, for instance, they challenged the legality of US pharmaceutical company Bristol Meyer Squibb's patent over the antiretroviral drug didanosine, or DDI, because it was originally developed by a public US agency, the National Institutes of Health.

    In 2002, a Thai court cited international statutes when it ruled that Thai HIV/AIDS patients could be injured by patents and had legal standing to sue if drug makers holding patents restricted the availability of drugs through their pricing policies.

    The verdict was upheld in January 2004, and as part of an out-of-court settlement Bristol Meyer Squibb decided to "dedicate the [DDI] patent to the people of Thailand" of that particular version of the drug by surrendering it to the Thai Department of Intellectual Property.

    The dedication, however, did not carry over to third countries. Under the provisions of a US-Thai FTA, future legal challenges to US-held drug patents would be nearly impossible, Thai activists and international NGOs contend.

    WHO at the crossroads
    Lee's unexpected death has already engendered some serious soul-searching inside the WHO. Lee was widely lauded after his death, but his final legacy to the organization he served for 23 years is very much in doubt.

    US President George W Bush said, "Lee provided tremendous leadership to the international community as it confronted the challenges of the 21st century." UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, Microsoft founder Bill Gates and former US president Jimmy Carter all made similar eulogies to Lee's long commitment to improving global public-health standards.

    Lee frequently denied allegations that US political pressure influenced his decision-making, most notably perhaps during a recent television interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. However, it is just as likely that Lee will be remembered for the many times he caved to US pressure on crucial public-health issues, frequently in areas where WHO positions and commitments required that he take a stronger stand, some WHO officials contend.

    Moreover, the secretive way that Lee sometimes conducted WHO business, apparently in some instances at the United States' behest, already has some officials inside the UN agency talking about the need for greater transparency and accountability under the next director general. "It will be very rough waters ahead for the new [director general]," said a Geneva-based WHO official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    As the United States' strong influence over Lee comes into posthumous light, the selection process for his replacement will almost certainly be politicized along rich- and poor-country lines, and if the US openly pushes its favored candidate, that divide could widen into a full-blown schism inside the traditionally cohesive organization. Those sharp lines are already emerging.

    A report by a WHO-mandated independent commission recently recommended that as a general rule governments should avoid bilateral free-trade treaties that reduce access to medicines in developing countries. An annex to that report, signed by mainly Western experts who adhered to positions held by big pharmaceutical companies, highlighted the glaring differences in opinion emerging among WHO member states.

    For its part, the US has long advanced the argument that without strong intellectual-property protection, the pharmaceutical industry will not have the commercial incentive to conduct research and development for crucial new medicines.

    However, Brazil and Kenya recently claimed that about 90% of total global health-related research and development of Western pharmaceutical companies went toward addressing the medical needs of about 10% of the world's population. Those two countries have since called on the WHO to adopt systems for intellectual-property protection that would increase developing countries' access to health innovations and medicines.
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    WHO staffers say they resent what they view as the United States' political agenda toward vital public-health concerns, ranging from reproductive-health issues to promoting good dietary standards.

    At the 2004 World Health Assembly (WHA), the US broke with the meeting's proposed resolution that reproductive and sexual rights should be considered human rights, and strongly protested the meeting's focus on the public-health risks of unsafe abortions.
    Lee had earlier that year held up a list of essential WHO-recommended medicines drafted by an independent expert committee for more than two months because of US objections about two listed abortifacient drugs that could be used to induce abortions in emergencies.

    The US delegation to another recent WHA took issue with a WHO-proposed diet and health resolution, particularly concerning the acceptable level of sugar content in foods, which by the WHO's expert assessment would have cast US fast-food and soft-drink companies in an unfavorable light. Lee famously bent to the US objections and signed off on a significantly watered-down version of the original resolution.

    US interference with UN personnel and policy decisions, of course, isn't an entirely new phenomenon. The US is the largest donor to the UN and by association to the WHO, and in light of the US-inspired events in Bangkok, senior WHO representatives throughout the organization are likely to be more guarded when commenting on public-health issues that Washington considers sensitive.

    The Bush administration's tactics, often cloaked as reform measures, in reality aim to bring UN agencies like the WHO more in line with US commercial and political interests.

    At the WHO, at least, that process has come at the expense of the UN agency's stated mission, commitments and, perhaps most significant, its global credibility as an impartial and apolitical actor.

    Dylan C Williams is a Bangkok-based correspondent.

    (Copyright 2006 Asia Times Online Ltd
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    Clearly you have no respect for private property and free enterprise.
    Try removing your tongue from karl marxs' ass!

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    Capitalism like witnessed in this article will bring cahos and our own destruction just so a few self-centered yanks can enjoy their luxury and SUV

    Disgusting

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    The Food and Drug Adminstration (FDA) is supposed to test and make sure the drugs that enter the market to us consumers are safe, and will not harm nor kill us.

    But the companies that present their new pharmaceutical products (pills & medicine) have overwhelming influence over the 9 member of the FDA board.

    A good example is cholesterol lowering medicine.

    Product that can help us are not allowed on the shelves; products that harma and kill us, are allowed.


    Too much big bucks.....


    And it is true that if you claim that Vitamin C cures or prevents scurvy, you are breaking the law in America.

    It has to be a drug, and a drug that is tested and approved by who?

    The good ol' FDA.

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    The hijacking of American society by Corporate America will be the reason of capitalism collapse. Like communism, the current system can't last because it will exhaust all our resources. Question of time. Communism collapsed on its own, Capitalism from America will be no exception as it will produce the exact same effects.

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    Communism collapsed on its own,

    http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/23/shuttle.shtml

    According to the article. A soviet space shuttle left earth atmosphere once unmanned. The project was ended due to lack of funds. They couldn't keep up and went broke. We trolled the hell out of them. They just had to have a shuttle too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    The hijacking of American society by Corporate America will be the reason of capitalism collapse. Like communism, the current system can't last because it will exhaust all our resources. Question of time. Communism collapsed on its own, Capitalism from America will be no exception as it will produce the exact same effects.
    Flutter-butter you are such an optimist. Does that come naturally or is it an acquired skill!

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    Actually you are pooping off MM verbatim. My what an original thinker you are!

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    ha, it's always someone's fault, or someone else to blame. Never put the blame on good old America, it's so perfect. Never address the issue, blame MM, liberals, the media, any messenger of the truth or even partial truth.

    Are you an Ostrich, Mr Earl ? can you lay eggs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy
    We trolled the hell out of them
    What do you mean here ? I find this a little bit simplistic ? what has the space shuttle to do with the collapse of Communism in Europe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy
    We trolled the hell out of them
    What do you mean here ? I find this a little bit simplistic ? what has the space shuttle to do with the collapse of Communism in Europe ?
    The soviets through bureaucratic incompetence overspent themselves trying to keep up in the space and arms race with the US. This certainly lead to the collapse of the soviet union.

    Butterflea trust me there is a world out there outside of the Michael Moore and Ted Rall rubbish you fill your head with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Clearly you have no respect for private property and free enterprise.
    Private property and free enterprise - Ok , so its all right with you if a country manufactures generic forms of drugs and sells them to its citizens .

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy
    They couldn't keep up and went broke
    I bet it cost them less than the US one.

    Have you heard of Corporate Welfare ? it's like communism but only corporations can benefit from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Clearly you have no respect for private property and free enterprise.
    Private property and free enterprise - Ok , so its all right with you if a country manufactures generic forms of drugs and sells them to its citizens .
    Certainly if the said drug has run the usual proprietary period required by appropriate law. The original manufactures/developers still make money licensing generic manufacture just not the with the high profit margins.
    I'm not really an expert here so I could be wrong but this is generally how it works.
    Drug companies wouldn't have any incentive to lay out the huge capitol investment required to develop new drugs if there wasn't money to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Certainly if the said drug has run the usual proprietary period required by appropriate law.
    and this is the point - US laws made by politicians who are heavily lobbied by the corporations to extend the period for as long as they can. why should US law take precedence over any other countries laws ? and then there are the other bullying methods - the US telling the UN and the WHO to do as they are told because the US supplies them with funding.

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    That's why the UN needs reforms, and needs to become a complete independant body like it used to be when the Soviet Union was still alive. The Euros need to put their act together and become a real counter power against the US dominant force. They have been getting a free ride since the fall of the Berlin wall.

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    A morality tale on AIDS
    Address by Congressman Jim McDermott

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    Mr Speaker, I come to the floor tonight to really tell a morality tale that the American people may well not know anything about. Many things go on in the world, and we learn nothing in our press. But if you read widely, as I do, and read something called the Asia Times, which is one of many newspapers around the world, you find out very interesting things are going on.

    Everyone knows that there is a problem with AIDS worldwide, and the problem with AIDS is that we, today, have the ability to actually treat people with AIDS with the triple therapy drugs that will make their life longer, allow them to continue working, allow them to take care of their children, create less orphans. There are many, many positive benefits from triple therapy around the world.
    The problem is the drugs are made in the Western world where they are very, very expensive. In the Asia Times story, an article entitled "World health: A lethal dose of US politics", that is dated 6/19/2006. (article below) This article talks about a veteran World Health Organization professional by the name of William Aldis, who found himself in such conflict with the World Health Organization that he was fired. Now, they called it a promotion. They put him elsewhere. But basically they put him in a position where he would have no power similar to what he had before. He was the representative to Thailand.

    Now, Thailand's use of these medications has reduced their level of deaths from AIDS by 79%. These drugs are effective, but very expensive. And the problem is that under the World Trade Organization rules, countries are allowed to make their own or to develop generics that are much less expensive.

    Now, Thailand comes to the point where they want to develop a bilateral trade relationship with the United States. And the United States, at that point, uses their muscle to say to the Thais, you no longer can have this loose standard of developing drugs. You must abide by United States intellectual property law.

    Therefore, you are cut off from an inexpensive source of the medication that is in use in Thailand today and in many other countries in the world.

    Now, this is a question of morality. We have the capacity to treat the millions of people who are living with AIDS and thousands of them, millions dying every year. We have the ability to treat them. But on the other side, we have the pharmaceutical industry that says we want to get the last nickel, we want to get the most money out of this situation that we can get. And the United States government is helping the pharmaceutical industry squeeze the Third World.

    Now, a lot of people say why does the rest of the world dislike America? It is this kind of stuff that goes on under the radar screen of most people in this country who do not understand what is going on who, therefore, do not understand why the rest of the world looks at us as being in it for ourselves and no one else. We can talk all we want to about liberty, and we can talk all we want about the free enterprise system and all these things, but when it comes down to money we put the squeeze on.

    Now, you say, well, hasn't the president been generous? Hasn't he put $15 billion out there to deal with the AIDS epidemic? Yes, in theory he has made that and some of that money has been appropriated out of this House, but it is being used to buy drugs that are much more costly. We could buy many more drugs if we would buy generics produced in these countries by themselves.

    Now, recently there was a Congressional Research Service report, and this is our research service in the Library of Congress, that said that the United States' main purpose for pursuing bilateral FDAs is to advance US intellectual property protection rather than promoting free trade.

    This is wrong, and the American people should know about it and insist that their government make available the drugs for the rest of the world's treatment.
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southea.../HF24Ae03.html

    Good to see an 'elected' representative standing up and speaking out.
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    Patents, medicines and lobbies
    By M Javed
    According to a recent Asia Times Online report (World health: A lethal dose of US politics, June 17), the World Health Organization's country representative to Thailand, William Aldis, was removed for expressing views contrary to Western corporate interests. Such arm-twisting is neither new to international organizations nor unbelievable - nor even unexpected.

    Many global organizations, including the United Nations, offer "freedom of speech" without guaranteeing "freedom after the speech". If the report is correct, Aldis I salute you. Poor people in the Third World need more advocates like you. I wholeheartedly endorse the view that corporate interests have obstructed the global poor's access to medicines. The mechanism that works against the poor and in favor of the rich multinationals is more of an invisible arm-twisting rather than a problem of reaching an agreement at the negotiating table.

    What is important to realize is that this is just a part of a bigger problem. The reality of today's globalization is that in trade negotiations, governments - whether in the developed or the underdeveloped world - are steered both by strong domestic lobbies and by pressure groups, which include multinational companies, agriculturists' and industrialists' groups, trade unions, and other politically powerful entities whose particularistic interests don't necessarily represent the broad national interest.

    On an intellectual plane, rich countries argue that protection of the patents is necessary to enable them to continue research and development to produce better medicines. On a "situation on ground" basis, however, the interests of millions of patients suffering from lethal epidemics cannot just be ignored.

    The statistics are uncomfortable from a humanitarian perspective. Total consumption of medicines in the Third World constitutes just a small fraction of the total global pharmaceutical market. The main consumer market of pharmaceutical products lies in the United States, the European Union and Japan. And it is only a few medicines that save and critically affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people in the poorer parts of the globe.

    What is vital from a welfare point of view represents only a small slice of the world pharmaceutical industry's revenues and sales. People starving in Africa and South Asia do not demand anti-wrinkle creams or fancy weight-reducing pills, which constitute a major share of pharmaceutical sales in the US or EU.

    The WTO's Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) agreement provides ample flexibility to poor countries to safeguard their vital public-health interests. While the agreement had its own inadequacies, it notably gave strength and protection to the Third World through not only the right to grant compulsory licenses but also the freedom to determine the grounds on which such licenses could be granted.

    That is, individual countries rather than the World Trade Organization (WTO) had the latitude to determine what constituted a national public-health emergency, including outbreaks of "HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis, malaria and other epidemics". That is not to say that TRIPS was all rosy for the poor. The agreement - like many other Uruguay Round agreements - had several issues that needed to be resolved.

    The WTO Doha Declaration of November 2001 gave further assurances to poor countries. Global trade ministers recognized that members with insufficient or no manufacturing capacities in the pharmaceutical sector could face difficulties in making effective use of compulsory licensing under TRIPS. They instructed the WTO's Council for TRIPS to find an expeditious solution to this problem and to report to the General Council before the end of 2002.

    Further, the ministers reaffirmed the commitment of developed-country members to provide incentives to their enterprises and institutions to promote and encourage technology transfer to least-developed countries. Above all, the declaration clearly and categorically stated that the TRIPS agreement can and should be interpreted and implemented in a manner supportive of WTO members' right to protect public health and, in particular, to promote access to medicines for all. Such an expression in the declaration gave primacy to ensuring access of the poor to cheap medicines over protection of intellectual-property rights.

    With all those on-paper assurances, why does the issue still linger on, and linger on in such huge dimensions? For starters, there is no doubt that the developed world still needs to do a lot to fulfill its Doha commitments to the developing one. The important question is whether that's all that needs to be done.

    There is an urgent need for soul-searching on the part of poor countries as well. Drug patents were one of the many issues that led to post-Uruguay Round friction between the WTO's developed and underdeveloped member states. Other important issues that fell in the category were those related to agricultural subsidies, cotton and textiles.

    These and a bundle of other issues were reopened at Doha in 2001. Five years later, there have been endless discussions and raucous street protests by non-governmental organizations (NGOs) on agricultural subsidies and non-agricultural tariffs. Granted, a lot of actual progress on these contentious issues has been achieved. But it is still urgent for poor countries to achieve a more unified voice on issues that lack strong domestic lobby groups.

    By contrast, how much emphasis have Third World governments put on drug patents? In today's Internet-connected world, readers can go straight to the WTO website and read the developing-world ministers' statements at recent WTO meetings in Cancun and Hong Kong. Compare the emphasis that they put on drug issues with that of agricultural subsidies and textiles. Improving access to patented medicines has not received even 5% of the attention that agricultural subsidies have. It would appear that developing-world commerce ministries are being steered by their own lobby groups, similar to the way the industrialized world's agenda is set.
    It is clear that the issue of medicines to the poor is far more important - most certainly from a welfare point of view - for a larger number of developing countries than developed-world agricultural subsidies. Why is it that these subsidies have been a favorite of the developing-country governments, while the issue of drug patents has been raised only by NGOs and humanitarian organizations such as Oxfam and Medecins Sans Frontieres? There have been dozens of declarations made at various Third World forums on the issue of agricultural and non-agricultural tariffs, but one would be hard-pressed to unearth similar proclamation on provision of medicines for the world's poor.

    While such issues as agricultural subsidies are tied to strong feudalistic lobbies, access to patented, life-saving medicines cuts across the world's poor without a strong unified voice or pressure group. Lack of domestic pressure on developing-world governments has contributed to the problem, similar to the way corporate lobby pressure against the Western governments has. It is not my objective to shift the criticism from industrialized to Third World governments, but rather to see the drug-patent issue in a wider view.

    M Javed is a medical doctor and author of the book Chessboard of WTO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Actually you are pooping off MM verbatim. My what an original thinker you are!
    Are you actually going to add anything of value or just insult people? If you don't agree, at least say why, otherwise your opinions are worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Actually you are pooping off MM verbatim. My what an original thinker you are!
    Are you actually going to add anything of value or just insult people? If you don't agree, at least say why, otherwise your opinions are worthless.
    I did say why. Perhaps I should have spelled out Michael Moore for you!
    I see sarcasm is wasted on you.

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    ^ Bad response, Mr. Earle.

    I have never considered Marmite to think or believe in the likes of Michael Moore.

    Michael Moore is a film/documentary maker.

    No one follows him.


    Only a fool would quote a film maker on all sides of the political spectrum.

    Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore are for people who can't read, think, and dissect issue for themselves.

    They needs someone else to do it for them, and they just follow, like sheep.

    Pretty convenient way to split the masses, put them into to two tents, while those with power and control continue to do what they want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    ^ Bad response, Mr. Earle.
    Maybe you should pay attention too!
    Marmite was giving me shit for insulting Butterbutt by accusing him of being a Michael Moore ape.
    I'm not sure where Marmite or you got the bugs up your asses!
    Nothing more....so suck cheese milky!

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    Lol !!! :d

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