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    Modern Day Tea Parties

    Heh...been telling yáll about the coming tax revolts that will sweep the nation for some time now and they're here. Actually, been going on now for some weeks.

    This thread is for pics and discussion on taxation w/out representation:

    A massive Cincinnati “tea party” protest. Check out the aerial view of the crowd, below.



    More protests in Columbus, Ohio,Little Rock (more here), Kansas City, and Boise.
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    Thought I'd post a few more pics of what's becoming a real movement. Folks are pissed (not drunk) at what little wealth they have left given to those who are undeserving:







    The one I like best (not featured here) is "Your Mortage Is Not My Problem"

    No shit, Sherlock...
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    Nope, Didn't think it would go over so good with working stiffs.

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    How 'bout a couple more:





    Heh...the last word. Sign below says it all. BO is a one-termer fer sure...


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    ^ I like the last one... The only problem is that whoever the next guy is, he won't have much to work with... The damage is done...

    I wonder how long before those brigades of US troops are called out to 'keep the peace'...

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    Good topic.

    There has been angst among the working stiff, working and middle class and upper middle and upper classes.

    Some have predicted tax revolts in the future. We'll wait and see. Just look at how much of you money goes to the government, local, state, and federal. And the goverment keeps borrowing and borrowing, and is no just printing more money.

    Honestly, are people motivated to get up and go to work every morning?

    They don't have a choice. People have to work to survive. This is why I see more of these meeting & demonstrations in the next couple of years.
    ............

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    How about some of these folks? They would love to get up in the morning and go to work but with unemployment rising? Heard the other day that the hot new career path is Mortician. Jing, jing...after all, there's always a need for undertakers. Plus, with all these GUNS killing folks, business is booming! Sorry about the lame pun...


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    Boon, I'm putting the article below in your thread because I think it's specifically related. If you don't like it, PM me.

    This article shows the surge in discontent:

    Obama Braces for a Backlash Over Wall Street Bailouts

    By ADAM NAGOURNEY
    Published: March 15, 2009


    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is increasingly concerned about a populist backlash against banks and Wall Street, worried that anger at financial institutions could also end up being directed at Congress and the White House and could complicate President Obama’s agenda.
    Skip to next paragraph Karin Cooper/CBS, via Associated Press
    Lawrence H. Summers on “This Week” called new bonuses at A.I.G. outrageous.

    A.I.G. Lists Which Banks It Paid With U.S. Bailout Funds (March 16, 2009)
    Is President Obama at risk of becoming another target of a backlash against Wall Street?
    The administration’s sharp rebuke of the American International Group on Sunday for handing out $165 million in executive bonuses — Lawrence H. Summers, director of the president’s National Economic Council, described it as “outrageous” on “This Week” on ABC — marks the latest effort by the White House to distance itself from abuses that could feed potentially disruptive public anger.

    “We’ve got enormous problems that need to be addressed,” David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, said in an interview. “And it’s hard to address because there’s a lot of anger about the irresponsibility that led us to this point.”
    “This has been welling up for a long time,” he said.


    Mr. Obama’s aides said any surge of such a sentiment could complicate efforts to win Congressional approval for the additional bailout packages that Mr. Obama has signaled will be necessary to stabilize the banking system.

    As it is, there have already been moves in Congress to limit compensation to executives at banks and Wall Street firms that are receiving government help to survive.

    Beyond that, a shifting political mood challenges Mr. Obama’s political skills, as he seeks to acknowledge the anger without becoming a target of it. A central question for Mr. Obama is whether his cool style — “in a time of crisis, we cannot afford to govern out of anger,” he said in his address to Congress last month — will prove effective when the country may be feeling more emotional.


    Even as Mr. Summers was denouncing A.I.G. for the bonuses, he suggested that there was little if anything the government could do to stop them, seconding the conclusion of Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner. But even if their reasoning was legally sound, they also risked having the administration look ineffectual in the face of what Mr. Summers said was the worst financial abuse of the last 18 months, since the economy began turning down in earnest.

    “Never underestimate the capacity of angry populism in times of economic stress,” said Robert Reich,
    a professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley, and labor secretary under President Bill Clinton. “A big challenge for President Obama will be to maintain a rational and tactical public discussion in the midst of this severe downturn. The desire for culprits at times like this is strong.”

    In a further development, A.I.G. on Sunday named dozens of financial institutions that benefited from its huge rescue loan from the Federal Reserve last fall. The list included Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch and Wachovia.

    On Monday, the White House is expected to unveil proposals to help small businesses, an effort to make clear that the administration is not only focusing its attentions on Wall Street and big corporations like the automakers.
    But the financial crisis is the most acute problem facing the administration, one it will not be able to play down. Christina D. Romer, the White House’s chief economist, said Sunday on “Meet the Press” on NBC that the administration was close to unveiling details of its plan to remove the worst of the bad assets from the books of banks, a move sure to refocus attention on winners and losers from bailouts.

    The disclosure that A.I.G., which has received $170 billion in government assistance to remain afloat and avert a cascade of failures in the financial system, is paying bonuses to its executives is the latest in a series of episodes that Mr. Obama’s aides said seemed to be feeding a resurgence of public anger.

    The public responded angrily to previous disclosures of large bonuses on Wall Street, to auto executives who flew on corporate jets to Washington for Congressional bailout hearings, and to last week’s face-off between Jon Stewart of “The Daily Show” and Jim Cramer, the CNBC financial commentator, over the network’s reporting on the crisis.

    “There’s unquestionably a strong populist surge out there,” said Joel Benenson, Mr. Obama’s pollster, citing his own polls and focus groups. “It’s been brewing for close to four years.
    For the last two years, Americans were clearly indicating that they believe that one of the biggest obstacles to progress on America’s toughest challenges — notably health care and energy independence — was the influence of special interests and corporate interests on the agenda in Washington.”
    Link & Entire: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/16/us...s.html?_r=1&hp

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    Much as they would like to, the Lamestream media can't black out these events entirely. From WLWT.com:
    Thousands of Tri-State residents gathered Sunday on Fountain Square in downtown Cincinnati to voice their opposition to government spending bills recently signed by President Barack Obama.
    The group called itself the Cincinnati Tea Party, modeled after the Boston Tea Party of 1773.
    Many of the demonstrators carried signs with slogans that said "Honk if I'm paying your mortgage" or "Stop spending my allowance." Some even wore tea bags on their hats to make their point.
    Cincinnati police estimated the crowd at 4,000 people. Many who spoke with News 5 Sunday afternoon said they're angry, including Congresswoman Jean Schmidt.
    "I bet there's 5,000 people here and they're mad, just as I'm mad. They have a right to be mad at the unbridled spending that's happening in Washington," said Schmidt






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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Boon, I'm putting the article below in your thread because I think it's specifically related. If you don't like it, PM me. This article shows the surge in discontent:
    Not having a real interest or understanding of American politics, one thing really stands out in this post.

    All the statements and declarations in the article ,are made by assistants, lobbyists etc but none directly attributed to the President.

    Is the USA run by a president or a group of advisors and pundits ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman View Post
    Is the USA run by a president or a group of advisors and pundits ??
    A mixture of all the above and right now, it's a real clusterfuck...

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    Why, in the first place did so many people vote for Obama?
    Were they :
    - Hopeless
    - Ignorant
    - Outraged

    or what was the reason ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambik
    what was the reason
    Eight years of the Bush administration had changed the US from budget surplus to a record deficit, from a healthy economy to a massive financial crisis, plunged them into an expensive, bloody and ultimately futile invasion. Then theres the Patriot Act and erosion of civil liberties, corruption and financial scandals, a Presidential administration that lost almost all of it's senior people- like a revolving drawer. I could go on.

    Why would the American people not vote for Obama?

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    ^ True, SB. (greenie when I can rep you).

    I heard about this on FOX News. Talked to several colleagues in NY and friends in Ohio and WA today -- none of them had heard about these tea parties. Why? None of the libbie press is reporting them. Only Fox and a snide article in the Village Voice about "12 people" turning up to the tea party in NY. Shameful press coverage. Most tea party news is via blogs.

    Here's the VV article:


    We just ran down to Bowling Green, home of the Bull, to attend today's Tea Party protest. You may remember these are a big thing in conservative circles, and one in City Hall Park two Saturdays ago drew 200-250 people. This one drew a dozen brave souls, though there were a couple people who wandered in and out, so in the interest of fairness we won't make that a firm number.
    Nationwide tea parties are publicized by the queen bee of such events, Michelle Malkin, and this one was promoted on variousinternetsites; many of today's protesters held signs bearing the name of fedupusa.org. We talked to a few of these folks, and will share their thoughts and feelings later. We will say now that they were less violently anti-government than the group that gathered at the previous New York TP; in fact, we'd say the City Hall Park crowd might find them downright accommodationist. But first we have to bite some wire stories and trawl some celebrity nudes.
    New York - Tea Party Draws a Dozen-Plus Protesters - Runnin' Scared - Village Voice

    Face it, most sane working folks (ie, Conservatives) have too much pride to protest and would not take a day off work (not unionised) to do so. But, since many are out of work, why not?

    Here's the FOX story transcript:

    Police in Cincinnati say at least 4,000 people showed up Sunday for a grassroots protest of wasteful government spending in general, and President Obama's stimulus package and budget in particular.
    It was one of many tea party protests around the country — inspired by the Revolutionary War era Boston Tea Party protesting British taxation. Protesters had signs reading "Give us liberty, not debt" and "Where's my bailout?"
    One report states there are more than 150 tea parties scheduled across the nation in the upcoming months. The events so far have been largely ignored by the mainstream media, but several blogs are tracking them.
    Noel Sheppard, associate editor for the conservative NewsBusters.org writes on the coverage so far: "Compare that to how these networks practically fell all over themselves to report war protests after the public's opinion changed concerning Iraq in late 2003."
    FOXNews.com - Taxpayers Strike Back With 'Tea Parties' - Special Report w/ Bret Baier

    And lookee here: my Obama e-mail. WTF? Is the guy still campaigning? Yep, he's trying to get his grassroot lackeys to call their Reps and senators to support his budget. Seems like the Congresspeople aren't fit to make decisions for the people who voted them into office.

    Jettie:
    The current debate in Washington over President Obama's budget has made one thing clear -- ensuring our long-term prosperity won't come without a fight.

    Partisan voices and special interests are showing real resistance to President Obama's call for making the necessary reforms and investments in energy, health care, and education. That's why we need to bring the conversation back into homes and communities across America.

    Last week, thousands of you pledged your support for the President's economic plan and encouraged your friends and family to join you in a national display of support. Now I need you to take the next step.

    This weekend, supporters like you are organizing Pledge Project Canvasses to talk to people in their communities about this plan and mobilize support in neighborhoods across the country.

    Host or attend a Pledge Project Canvass in your neighborhood this weekend.

    It's absolutely crucial that Americans hear from you about this plan -- we can't leave this important debate up to a Washington establishment that doesn't welcome change.

    It's up to you to show Washington that Americans are demanding this new direction and won't stand on the sidelines while our country's future is at stake.

    On these canvasses, you'll join fellow supporters in your community to:

    • Talk with people about the President's plan
    • Ask them to sign their names to the pledge
    • Provide information on how to contact and urge their elected representatives to support the plan
    Host or attend a canvass this weekend:

    http://my.barackobama.com/pledgecanvass

    Nothing is more powerful than having people hear from ordinary Americans about the vision President Obama has laid out for our country. Join us this weekend.

    Thanks,
    Mitch
    Mitch Stewart
    Director
    Organizing for America


    Holy sh*t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambik View Post
    Why, in the first place did so many people vote for Obama?
    Were they :
    - Hopeless
    - Ignorant
    - Outraged

    or what was the reason ?
    All the above but most especially Ignorant...

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    Armed guards at AIG offices, death threats and employees that don't show up for work.

    Rage at AIG Swells As Bonuses Go Out
    Fed Decided Payouts Couldn't Be Stopped


    By Brady Dennis and David Cho
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Tuesday, March 17, 2009



    A tidal wave of public outrage over bonus payments swamped American International Group yesterday. Hired guards stood watch outside the suburban Connecticut offices of AIG Financial Products, the division whose exotic derivatives brought the insurance giant to the brink of collapse last year. Inside, death threats and angry letters flooded e-mail inboxes. Irate callers lit up the phone lines. Senior managers submitted their resignations. Some employees didn't show up at all.
    "It's a mob effect," one senior executive said. "It's putting people's lives in danger."

    Link & Entire: Rage at AIG Swells As Bonuses Go Out

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    ^ That ain't a tea party, MM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    All the above but most especially Ignorant...
    What, you think McCain could be doing a better job with the hand that has been dealt??? I think not...

    Quote Originally Posted by MilkMan
    Armed guards at AIG offices, death threats and employees that don't show up for work.
    As I asked earlier in this thread, just how long before those brigades of US troops are called out to 'keep the peace'... That will signal the beginning of the revolution... I expect no less... Vigilantism will be on the upswing in the very near future... The sentiment on the ground in the US is getting very ugly... To quote Howard Beale from the film 'Network', circa 1976, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    ^ That ain't a tea party, MM!
    No, but I think it's related. Very related. Angst, agitation, frustration.

    It's possible there may be an individual act of violence at the Tea Parties (tax revolts) or over the AIG bonusues (AIG is at the heart of this mess, as they were the main creator and issuer of Credit Default Swaps).

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    ^ OK, give you that, but I haven't seen any "violence" at the tea parties. You better put that vid in the AIG thread, too.

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    US taxpayers paying these imbecile's bonuses is just wrong. Way wrong.

    Tres Sec said they'd pay it -- but today Obama was saying it was wrong.

    Hope they don't.

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    ^ Fed gave the money, not the Treas. Anyway, the $ was paid out. Congress wants to tax the bonuses. How are they going to tax the UK employees? And will that be a sweeping tax bill for anybody who gets a bonus? This is just another diversion from Obama's increasingly lacklustre performance.

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    Taxing is now a non starter. Will now deduct from the next bailout funding. Still all pretty dumb.

    AIG has run it's business irresponsibly and should be cut off completely from any further bailout.

    I say screw em.

    "the government will recover the money by requiring it be repaid from company operations and deducting the amount from the next $30 billion in aid being provided to the insurer."

    Geithner Vows to Recoup AIG Bonuses as Lawmakers Express Fury - Bloomberg.com
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    In other words, the bonuses will still be payed from tax-payers money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Taxing is now a non starter. Will now deduct from the next bailout funding. Still all pretty dumb.
    Yep, pretty dumb. Congress screeching they will demand the money back, impose even 100% taxes on the bonuses...how they gonna do that when most of the $ went to London employees? Geitner and the prez knew about the payouts last week. Why wait til today to bring it up?
    I loved this news bit. Freaking out about $165 Million, but they're still gonna give AIG another $30 Billion (oh, but we're gonna deduct the bonus money). WTF? 55555

    Acknowledging "considerable outrage" about the bonus payments, Geitner said AIG will pay the Treasury an amount equal to the payments, and the Treasury will deduct that amount from the $30 billion in government assistance that will soon go to the company.

    Geithner: AIG Will Repay Taxpayers for Bonuses - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

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