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    This would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. What a bunch of ignorant hicks.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/tea-partiers-in-tax-day-p_n_546909.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    now Geithner wants to get in their biz to limit their risk-taking. FO. Every biz is about risk. This govt and its advisers are control freaks
    Does that mean you are opposed to the government overhaul of banking system regulation? Even the Party of No is onside with that one.

    Oh, and the whopping great fine Goldman Sachs is likely to incur will help pay down government debt too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro
    At first the Tea Party (as we all know) was a non-partisan, mostly leaderless movement that began in 2007.

    This was the good part. But soon the movement was infilterated, absorbed, co-opted, and ruined.

    First the charlatan TV and radio entertainers jumped on board.

    Then, the establishment politicians (e.g. Palin),

    And now, the mainstream GOP party itself.

    IMO, the Tea Party movement is a GOP PAC.
    The teahadists might have had legitimate gripes when they started and may have even had a legitimate claim to being non-partisan (the UK pol's expenses scandals is a comparable issue in this respect), but the whole thing was quickly infiltrated by opportunistic wingnuts and shysters and they went full retard when they started giving the birther loonies a platform.

    All they will achieve is to marginalize even mildly moderate Repubs, split votes and alienate the Independents (not TD Independents™ of course).

    When the GOP's last presidential candidate is in a big fight for his political future it's pretty obvious that things are in a dire state.

    Hopefully this will all lead to a resurgence for real American Conservatism, the kind that ignores what happens in people's bedrooms as long as it's legal; not the chest-thumping, dumbed-down, neocon, rapacious de-regulatory "guns, god, gays" ideology that seems to be their current platform.
    bibo ergo sum
    If you hear the thunder be happy - the lightening missed.
    This time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    real American Conservatism,
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    not the chest-thumping, dumbed-down, neocon, rapacious de-regulatory "guns, god, gays" ideology
    Exactly.
    But my question is- where are the real conservatives in the US these days. I hardly ever hear from them in the Press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    where are the real conservatives in the US these days.
    Quite honestly? The right wing of the democratic party or hidden in the left wing of the republican party.

    The sad state of affairs means that genuine Conservatives can't raise their voice or discuss their platforms anymore because of this ideological right-wing mantra of 'with us or against us'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    But my question is- where are the real conservatives in the US these days. I hardly ever hear from them in the Press.
    They are getting drummed out one by one by the loonies: David Frum, Bruce Bartlett, Charles Johnson - all people who had serious right-wing credentials and who have been thrown under the bus for going off talking points. Most on the left wouldn't agree with almost anything these guys say but they have dared to stray from the GOP party line and have been hammered for it.

    Frum (ex-W speechwriter, creator of the "Axis of Evil" phrase) got dumped by the AEI for having the balls to say that calling HCR "Obama's Waterloo" probably wasn't the smartest tactic. He was right.

    Instead of rational thinkers with interesting (and arguable) points of view they are embracing the teabagger, Bachmann, Palin and Beck doctrines of DERP! Balrog Husein Sombrero Fartbongo islamosocialist! as a platform.

    Goldwater would be so proud..

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post

    IMO, the Tea Party movement is a GOP PAC.
    GOP operatives crash the tea party
    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    This would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. What a bunch of ignorant hicks.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/21/tea-partiers-in-tax-day-p_n_546909.html
    Ah yes, quotes from the lefty rags, Politico and Huff'n'Puff.
    True, not all of these people understand the true meaning of the protests, but I'm sure the lefties went out of their way to find them or even planted them. What I find funny is how many libbies are phoning their reps asking when they get their FREE healthcare.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Does that mean you are opposed to the government overhaul of banking system regulation? Even the Party of No is onside with that one.
    Oh, and the whopping great fine Goldman Sachs is likely to incur will help pay down government debt too.
    I do not want another bureaucracy added to regulate the industry. The great fine? Maybe if all the libbies repaid the campaign contributions they received (Obama got almost $1 mil from GS) I wouldn't see this latest move as the political ploy it is: the SEC slamming GS in the middle of a trading day (unheard of) at the same time bamboy announces his financial reform = great libbie media news fodder for the masses. And as I know it, the banks repaid their bail-out loans with interest (let's not forget how many were FORCED to take loans so that the real bad banks weren't so obvious) and where did that money go? bamboy fekin spent it instead of paying down debt. How's Chrysler doing with its repayment?
    If this GS/hedge fund deal was so big, the SEC should have caught it. Asleep at the wheel?

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    Mark Williams

    When the Tea Party movement started off, I was exceedingly cynical because it was clearly being organised and funded by interest groups (prominently Freedom Works) with a very clear agenda- to kill the health care Bill. Of course that failed. My cynicism was further enhanced by the prominence of RW tinpots in the movement- Birthers, racists & suchlike. Also added to by the news that the Tea Party Conference was a privately owned, for profit affair- the owner being a deceptive charlatan. But I at least became aware, over time, that teabaggers are not all Right Wing lunatics. Whilst I disagree with much of what they say, in fact some of it is utterly ridiculous imo, some of their positions, like increased government efficiency and accountability in spending, and eliminating 'earmarks', are rational. But now this.

    Meet Mark Williams. He's a raving lunatic. He's also Chairman of the Tea Party express:-

    The 54-year-old Massachusetts native regularly lambastes President Obama as a communist bent on undermining the Constitution, and last week likened him to such dictators as Stalin and Pol Pot. On his blog and elsewhere, he rails against Obama as an “Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug,’’ and “racist in chief’’ for his comments about the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his own home.

    ... But Williams, a conservative talk radio host, author, and frequent guest on cable news, said he is only “speaking the truth’’ and describes himself as a “true conservative’’ who is fighting to protect the country from slipping into statism.

    ... At rallies and on his blog, Williams has consistently raised doubts about Obama’s citizenship, once telling a rally it was “even money’’ Obama was born in somewhere other than America.


    Spouting off for the Tea Party - The Boston Globe

    "True conservative". What an insult.

    The point is, if these teabaggers expect to be taken at all seriously by the middle ground majority, they have to purge themselves, or at least publicly disociate themselves, from lunatics like this. But he's the Chairman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    “Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug,’’
    What a loser, Jet had that moniker down for Obama on January 20th 2009 already

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    “racist in chief’’
    This guy is copying BM's words of February 3rd 2009

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    “speaking the truth’’
    Don't they all . . . as they howl at the moon and scratch their own eyes out to stop them seeing a black presedent

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    ^^ Thanks, for that info, Sabang.

    Funded by this group (and others) and a "leader" that is using incorrect labels and broad generalizations.

    No credibility. The loonies have come out of the woodwork.

    And the original founder of the Tea Party movment in 2007, is no longer with the organization and left it and criticizes it for the reasons you note and more.
    ............

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    Whatever you think about the Tea Party and whatever dirt you rely on from the far left really matters not (face it, there is so much dirt at every level of the political realm, there is plenty of fodder -- Hey, how is Massa's case working out for Y'all?). This is a good sign that the libbies are sifting thru the minutiae to find something bad as it shows they are now freaking out about the movement's power.
    No matter what, the Tea Party has energised good people to get out and protest the govt and take more interest in politics. This, in itself, is an excellent thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Whatever you think about the Tea Party and whatever dirt you rely on from the far left really matters not (face it, there is so much dirt at every level of the political realm, there is plenty of fodder -- Hey, how is Massa's case working out for Y'all?). This is a good sign that the libbies are sifting thru the minutiae to find something bad as it shows they are now freaking out about the movement's power.
    No matter what, the Tea Party has energised good people to get out and protest the govt and take more interest in politics. This, in itself, is an excellent thing.
    The Tea Party lost credibility when TV and radio personalities got involved, and politicians got involved.

    Being "leaderless" and non-partisan was the original intent.

    As for Massa, that has nothing to do with the Teap party. And the Tea Party has nothing to do with liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    As for Massa, that has nothing to do with the Tea party. And the Tea Party has nothing to do with liberals.
    Milkie, liberals drag everything into the fight when they attack the Tea Party. Be fair.

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    Does this nail it on the head or what? No wonder the Tea Party philosophy is what the majority of Americans embrace, eh?

    The Paranoid Style of American Liberalism.

    “Liberals, to put it mildly, are not dealing well with their declining political fortunes. For some reason, liberals seem surprised that Americans have not warmed to the Obama administration’s policies, like government takeover of health care; bailouts and government ownership in multiple industries; wasteful and ineffective ’stimulus’ spending; unheard of deficits; massive tax increases slated for next year; and a foreign policy that perversely alienates our allies and caters to our enemies. There has never been a time in our history when most Americans would have approved of such policies, yet liberals are somehow convinced that today’s manifestation of longstanding voter attitudes represents a unique and sinister animus against Barack Obama and his administration.”
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    ^ I find it sad that lefties attack the TP for being racist. I've heard this before from black conservatives:
    They’ve been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement—and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation’s first black president.
    “I’ve been told I hate myself. I’ve been called an Uncle Tom. I’ve been told I’m a spook at the door,” said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.
    “Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks,” he said.
    ...
    “I’ve gotten the statement, ‘How can you not support the brother?’” said David Webb, an organizer of New York City’s Tea Party 365, Inc. movement and a conservative radio personality.
    Since Obama’s election, Webb said some black conservatives have even resorted to hiding their political views.


    Snips from a Breitbart article
    American Renaissance News: Black Conservative Tea Party Backers Take Heat

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    Excellent!


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    ^ Cool...I was waiting for the ball game to start..

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    I had kinda hoped they would become some type of movement for that crazy fringe in the Republican Party, to latch on to.

    But it seems the more the public finds out about them and what they stand for (?,…besides ridding America of its first black president), they are walking away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post


    I had kinda hoped they would become some type of movement for that crazy fringe in the Republican Party, to latch on to.

    But it seems the more the public finds out about them and what they stand for (?,…besides ridding America of its first black president), they are walking away.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_060810.html
    Or more accurately, "ridding America of its first foreign-born black Muslim Communist president." So the Republicans have decided the "tea partiers" have outlived their usefulness? We'll see; Republicans may not have much in the way of principles, but they do have a good instinct for self-preservation. Maybe they think the tea party is something they can reign in and cut loose as needed, like hounds on leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    what they stand for (?,…besides ridding America of its first black president)
    Black has nothing to do with it. It's his far-left policies, spending sprees, money printing, obsequiousness and kowtowing to foreign nations, and his inability to govern as exemplified in his total mis-handling of the oil spill. What, we're at day 51 and he still hasn't got his finger out? Hasn't met the BP CEO? Spent more time whooping it up with Sir Paul, sports teams, high school grads, and parties. He's already a lame duck, so I'm gonna call him ducky now.

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    The Tea Party is becoming an extremist cancer in the Republican Party.

    The biggest winner last night was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Conventional Wisdom's assumption that he faced certain political demise turnout out to be all wrong.

    Instead of facing a more mainstream Republican in November, his opponent will be Tea Party affiliated Sharron Angle who wants to privatize Social Security, abolish Medicare and replace it with vouchers, restore the prohibition of alcohol (in Nevada no less), eliminate the Departments of Education and Energy, and store the nation's nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, not too many miles from Las Vegas.

    It is true that her "mainstream" Republican opponent, Sue Lowden, looked pretty extreme herself when she proposed bartering chickens for health care. But Angle is way out there -- a million miles from the political mainstream in Nevada.

    The Tea Party, of course, was originally organized and funded by Dick Armey and his corporate clients in a bid to defeat the Obama agenda in general and his health care reform bill in particular. It has morphed into a Frankenstein monster that is now loose in the Republican streets and threatens serious damage to the party in the fall. While the Tea Party has helped to energize the Republican base, it is wreaking havoc in primaries and will fuel the Democratic narrative that Republican candidates are extremists and completely out of touch with the aspirations of everyday middle class families -- especially the key swing voting block of seniors.

    Many seniors were frightened by the health care bill because they erroneously thought it would cut Medicare. Now they are coming to find that Republicans want to abolish Medicare altogether and replace it with vouchers not worth the paper they're printed on -- not to mention resuscitate George W. Bush's scheme for privatizing Social Security.

    .... And that's not the only problem the Tea Party is causing for the Republican establishment. After losing last night's primary to oppose Democrat Tom Periello of Virginia, one of the Tea Party losers vowed to run as an independent -- effectively splitting the anti-Periello vote. That's great for Periello, who also happens to be one of the most principled and courageous Democrats in of Congress.

    Robert Creamer: Three Lessons From Tuesday's Primaries


    Well the Teabaggers have done wonders for the Right wing blogosphere and Sarah Palin, but electorally they look like an absolute disaster for the GOP. One thing is, they are unquestionably well right of centre but it seems to me they're all spouting different stuff- rand Paul is Libertarian, and wants to cut US Defence spending and overseas engagements, others are Military hawks, some (like the girl above) are outright lunatics, others more moderate. And of course, they are splitting the Republican Party.

    Wow, Harry Reid is likely gonna get his seat back. Whodathoughtit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    some (like the girl above) are outright lunatics
    In addition to being a closet Scientologist and an Oath Keepers supporter Angle is a water fluoridation conspiracy theorist.

    Reid's camp are going to have lots of fun with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    some (like the girl above) are outright lunatics
    In addition to being a closet Scientologist and an Oath Keepers supporter Angle is a water fluoridation conspiracy theorist.

    Reid's camp are going to have lots of fun with her.
    You laugh now, but someday you'll thank her for caring about your precious bodily fluids!

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    Sadly, I agree. Despite the chicken foul up, Lowden would be better.

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    Heh...the biggest turnout yet for California Tea Party group. Apparently, those fabricated charges of racism aren’t deterring people.

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