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    Hannity just described the teahadists as "Tim McVeigh wannabes. And the APPLAUDED him!

    HANNITY: See, can I add one thing? I think we won the debate.
    DREIER: We did win the debate.
    HANNITY: When you think about the vast majorities that they have in Congress and they had to bribe, backroom deals, corruption, that’s all because the tea party movement, the people — all these Tim McVeigh wannabes here.
    (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
    HANNITY: Guys, thank you for being here.
    (CROSSTALK)


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    Heh...at CNN: Disgruntled Democrats Join The Tea Party. “I should’ve listened a lot closer when he talked about ’spreading the wealth.’ . . . I feel lied to, cheated and raped.” Well, the Tea Party movement is now mainstream politics.

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    Heh...those Tea Party disrupters are gonna get their respective asses kicked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Heh...those Tea Party disrupters are gonna get thier respective asses kicked!


    That aside, how are the Teahadists going to differentiate? Poe's law is in play here; the most extreme positions/signs are going to be the ones cheered the loudest.

    They are already flailing to distance themselves from the birther loonies and the GOP infiltration from day one is causing problems now.

    Here are the first paragraphs from the above links:

    Birthers:
    After candidates complain to organizers, Orly Taitz's speaking engagement is withdrawn. Taitz has been a leading voice in the discredited 'birther' movement.


    Infiltration:
    Just days after the first widespread tea party demonstrators hit the streets a year ago Thursday, Joe Wierzbicki, a Republican political consultant with the Sacramento firm Russo Marsh + Rogers, made a proposal to his colleagues that he said could “give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force as the 2010 elections come into focus.”
    bibo ergo sum
    If you hear the thunder be happy - the lightening missed.
    This time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    That aside, how are the Teahadists going to differentiate? Poe's law is in play here; the most extreme positions/signs are going to be the ones cheered the loudest.
    Quite simple really - the racist signs belong to the shit-stirrers and the Teahadists (sic) signs are the ones that speak volumes of common sense.

    BTW...here's a graphic on how it's all going to play out:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Quite simple really - the racist signs belong to the shit-stirrers and the Teahadists (sic) signs are the ones that speak volumes of common sense.
    You don't know what Poe's Law is do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Quite simple really - the racist signs belong to the shit-stirrers and the Teahadists (sic) signs are the ones that speak volumes of common sense.
    You don't know what Poe's Law is do you?
    Certainly, but the salient point here is whether or not there's signs that parody basic facts like run-away deficet spending, big government etc, the Acorn, SEIU Union thugs trot out - the message gets through...
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    The salient point will come when anybody can differentiate between a group claiming that Obama is a nazi, socialist, Kenyan alien or a group saying that the gubmint should stay out of medicare.

    Wanna hazard a guess which has already been used?

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    Poor Slack! You are doing a real libbie! Shift the focus to a typo, points of irrelevance, anything that will deflect from the fact that the Tea Party movement is correct in its convictions and it is winning the hearts of the PEOPLE. America does not want to be like Europe or Canada!
    These tea partiers are the people who work and pay taxes, not the folks who want welfare and freebies. (Oh, I just read about all those libbie movie stars who owe millions in back taxes. No wonder California is in the ditch.)

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    Hello Jet.
    You seem to be in good shape. Only missed a "fek" or two
    ( did you do your time in isolation or what ?)

    Anyway. Welcome back

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Hello Jet.
    You seem to be in good shape. Only missed a "fek" or two
    ( did you do your time in isolation or what ?)

    Anyway. Welcome back
    Thanks, Boo Bear. How the fek are you? No, I took my marbles and went to some right-wing sites for awhile, but face it, there are no libbies to beat up there. Pretty boring.

    I'm waiting to hear the round-up on the tax day tea parties today, but not much yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Pretty boring.
    You can bash me until the bloody libbies in Asia and Oz get eyes.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    tax day tea parties
    So is it true that the Boston Tea Party happend because of a tax cut to a major Tea Merchant ?

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    The Tea Party Movement is growing no matter what the úsual suspects' aboard here and State-Run Media in the US says...heh





    There are a lot more examples here

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    Paid leave?

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — An Oregon middle school teacher whose "Crash the Tea Party" Internet campaign drew national attention has been put on paid leave while school officials investigate whether he used school equipment or time to work on his website.
    Beaverton educators were deluged with e-mails and phone messages after Jason Levin's Web page went public earlier this week. On it, Levin encouraged people to infiltrate the Tea Party movement to discredit the conservative activists.
    Oregon teacher, anti-Tea Party activist put on leave - USATODAY.com

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    Well, it is Oregon after all. More Moonbats there than Texas fer sure...

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    ^ Ya, can't be helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    It always amazes me how many illogical nutters there are in this world . . . equating one with the others is baffling

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    Among my morning news read, I found this: Sanity!

    Downsizing:
    Rather than protesting the greatest expansion of government in U.S. history, Tea Party attendees should be thanking Big Government for all it's done. At least, that's what President Obama thinks.
    As the Associated Press reported Thursday, the president said he was "amused" by the Tea Party faithful gathering in cities across America to protest soaring government spending, ballooning debt and the explosion in taxes that will be needed to pay for it all.
    "You would think they'd be saying thank you," he said.
    And why should they be thankful? As the president himself said on his weekly radio address a week ago, "one thing we have not done is raise income taxes on families making less than $250,000; that's another promise we kept."
    In fact, that wasn't his promise at all.
    Here's what candidate Obama really said in September of 2008: "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
    Got that? "Not any of your taxes." The claim of no tax hikes on those below $250,000 as a result of the current administration's policies is completely and utterly false.
    A report from the House Ways & Means Committee's GOP members notes that, since January 2009, Congress and the president have enacted $670 billion in tax increases. That's $2,100 for each person in America. At least 14 of those tax hikes, the report says, break Obama's pledge not to raise taxes on those earning less than $250,000. Roughly $316 billion of the tax hikes — 14 increases in all — hit middle-class families, the report says.
    This comes in addition to recent data from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office showing U.S. spending and indebtedness growing at an alarming rate. Government spending now totals 25% of GDP, a quarter above its long-term average. By 2035, it will hit 34% of GDP at current trends — a 70% increase in the real size of government in just 25 years.
    More spending means more debt. In 2008, total federal publicly held debt was about $8.5 trillion — an amount Uncle Sam took 220 years to accumulate. By 2020, that will soar to $20.3 trillion, a 139% jump. No surprise the Government Accountability Office last week said the U.S. is on "an unsustainable long-term fiscal path."
    So let's see: The administration and its allies in Congress pass what can only be called the most financially irresponsible series of bills in our nation's history, imposing a crushing tax burden on our children and our children's children, while lowering all Americans' standard of living, and we should thank them for it?
    This is the delusional thinking that's led to the Tea Party Movement's soaring popularity. The hundreds of thousands that turned out around the country on April 15 were objecting to the systematic ruin and loss of liberty that massive fiscal irresponsibility brings.
    Given all this, no one should be shocked that 52% of Americans in a recent New York Times/CBS Poll said President Obama's policies are moving the U.S. towards socialism. It's that serious.
    The president can belittle people all he wants. That's his prerogative. But he ignores Tea Partyers at his own political peril. They will not go away or be mollified by the usual prevarications.
    Democrats ridicule Tea Party followers as yahoos, racists and illiterates, a mob willing to be led. They are anything but. Indeed, they have shown their seriousness by putting out their own "Contract From America."
    It's a common sense document, proposing 10 concrete steps to bring sanity back to our government and make it accountable once again. Sadly, the mainstream media won't cover it. But if you're interested, go to Contract FROM America, and see if you don't agree.

    Thanks For What? - IBD - Investors.com

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    And let's take a look at this "contract". Almost half a million people voted on the different points in it. Sounds pretty dam logical to me:

    The Contract from America serves as a clarion call for those who recognize the importance of free market principles, limited government, and individual liberty. It is the natural extension of a movement that began in the local communities and quickly spread across America in response to unprecedented government expansion, reckless spending, and a blatant disregard by our leaders of the nation’s founding principles.
    During the past several months, hundreds of thousands of Americans have debated thousands of ideas to solve our nation’s most pressing problems. 454,331 votes were cast. It has been an open process and has provided a genuine opportunity to give voice to a broad cross section of concerned Americans.

    1. Protect the Constitution
    Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does. (82.03%)

    2. Reject Cap & Trade

    Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures. (72.20%)

    3. Demand a Balanced Budget

    Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. (69.69%)

    4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

    Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. (64.90%)

    5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

    Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning. (63.37%)

    6. End Runaway Government Spending

    Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth. (56.57%)

    7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

    Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries. (56.39%)

    8. Pass an ‘All-of-the-Above” Energy Policy

    Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs. (55.51%)

    9. Stop the Pork

    Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. (55.47%)

    10. Stop the Tax Hikes

    Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38%)

    The Contract from America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    "an unsustainable long-term fiscal path."
    The US indeed is, as Obama himself says. Health care reform is an important long term initiative to stem the fiscal drain. Economic recovery is also critical- the US government has had to commit to several trillion of debt to prop up the economy in the short term. Just as it has announced that it is selling it's stake in Citi at a substantial profit, so it will sell it's stake in GM in due course- and quite probably at a profit. Time will tell. Chrysler may well end up being a write off. Obviously these will reduce debt, but the main structural changes involve the US government becoming fiscally neutral, something you haven't seen since Clinton (in fact it was positive) - that is matching government income with expenditure. The Republicans proved themselves to be utterly irresponsible in this regard.

    As with all Right leaning political rhetoric, at least from the USA, there is always a spiel about freezing or reducing taxes. Bollocks. The Bush admin's largesse to the very rich borders on criminal. Bring taxes for this small sector of society back to where they were under Reagan, and you've made a large impact on fixing your Federal deficit.

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    Heh! I just know this pic will warm the cockles of your little Moonbat hearts!


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Economic recovery is also critical- the US government has had to commit to several trillion of debt to prop up the economy in the short term. Just as it has announced that it is selling it's stake in Citi at a substantial profit....
    Short term? Pffft. Bernanke said last week how big the deficit will grow. Wake up Sabang. Also, most banks have repaid their loans, and now Geithner wants to get in their biz to limit their risk-taking. FO. Every biz is about risk. This govt and its advisers are control freaks. Gee, their home owner mortgage bennies have rally helped, huh? Bunch of losers.

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    At first the Tea Party (as we all know) was a non-partisan, mostly leaderless movement that began in 2007.

    This was the good part.

    But soon the movement was infilterated, absorbed, co-opted, and ruined.

    First the charlatan TV and radio entertainers jumped on board.

    Then, the establishment politicians (e.g. Palin),

    And now, the mainstream GOP party itself.

    IMO, the Tea Party movement is a GOP PAC.

    • GOP operatives crash the tea party

      Just days after the first widespread tea party demonstrators hit the streets a year ago Thursday, Joe Wierzbicki, a Republican political consultant with the Sacramento firm Russo Marsh + Rogers, made a proposal to his colleagues that he said could “give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force as the 2010 elections come into focus.”

      The proposal, obtained by POLITICO, was for a nationwide tea party bus tour, to be called the Tea Party Express, which over the past seven months has become among the most identifiable brands of the tea party movement. Buses emblazoned with the Tea Party Express logo have brought speakers and entertainers to rallies in dozens of small towns and big cities, including one in Boston on Wednesday that will feature former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

      Aided by campaign-style advance work and event planning, slick ads cut by Russo Marsh, impressive crowds and a savvy media operation, the political action committee run by Wierzbicki, Russo Marsh founder Sal Russo and a handful of other Republican operatives has also emerged as among the prolific fundraising vehicles under the tea party banner. Known as Our Country Deserves Better when it was founded during the 2008 election as a vehicle to oppose Barack Obama’s campaign for president, the PAC saw its fundraising more than quadruple after it took the Tea Party Express public in July, raising nearly $2.7 million in roughly the following six months, compared with less than $600,000 in the preceding six months, according to Federal Election Commission filings.

      Its fundraising success has made the PAC — which formally filed with the FEC in October to change its name to “Our Country Deserves Better PAC–TeaPartyExpress.org” — a power player in the tea party and beyond, airing hundreds of thousands of dollars in ads supporting Republican campaigns such as Scott Brown’s successful special election for Senate in Massachusetts and blasting Democratic ones, such as Senate Majority Leader Reid’s reelection bid in Nevada.

      And that fundraising success has also meant a brisk business for Russo March, which essentially runs the PAC. In that capacity, Russo Marsh and a sister firm called King Media Group have received $1.9 million of the $4.1 million in payments made by the committee — a financial relationship that is not uncommon between political action committees run by consultants and their consulting firms.

      But the Tea Party Express’s high profile has angered tea party leaders who are suspicious of its big payments to Russo Marsh, view the bus tours as distractions from meaningful grass-roots organizing headed into the 2010 midterm elections and say the Republican ties of both the firm and PAC are wrong for a movement that has prided itself on independence from the political establishment and has fiercely rejected what it sees as GOP efforts to co-opt it.

      We’ve worked hard to distance ourselves from the Tea Party Express because of their close affiliation with the Republican Party, the Republican establishment and their PAC,” said Debbie Dooley, a national coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots, a national umbrella group of local activists. The Patriots have supported a strict nonpartisan posture but also have struggled to raise money, and Dooley contends that’s partly because of Tea Party Express.

      “When people donate to Tea Party Express, they think that they are donating to a tea party, because they don’t read the fine print at the bottom of their e-mails that says it is a PAC,” she said. “And that hurts the local grass-roots tea party organizers, since a lot of that is actually taking some money away from them.”

      Adds Ned Ryun, president of American Majority, a nonprofit group that trains local tea party organizers: “I’m concerned that they’re using (Tea Party Express) as a marketing gimmick to line the pockets of consultants instead of actually helping the tea party movement. People are already pretty fired up, so enough protesting and rallying — they need to be empowered to go back and organize their communities.”

      In a draft of his proposal last April, Wierzbicki seemed to anticipate some of the criticism, broaching the idea of recruiting Eric Odom and Michael Patrick Leahy, among the organizers of the April 15, 2009, rallies, or FreedomWorks, the Washington-based nonprofit that has helped organize local tea party groups and events across the country.

      “We can probably pull off a phenomenally successful tour without these big-ego establishment types,” Wierzbicki wrote in his proposal, cautioning his colleagues that in any effort to woo them “We have to be very, very careful about discussing amongst ourselves anyone we include ‘outside of the family’ because quite frankly, we are not only not part of the political establishment or conservative establishment, but we are also sadly not currently a part of the ‘tea party’ establishment.”

      Wierzbicki posited that his PAC’s lack of establishment tea party backing could be offset by winning over “local tea party leaders and grass-roots conservatives” and also by generating buzz including “mentions and possibly even promotion from conservative/pro-tea party bloggers, talk radio hosts, Fox News commentators, etc…”

      And the PAC’s focus had to change to reflect the tea party movement. Wierzbicki told POLITICO that Our Country Deserves Better did this primarily by eschewing some of the national security and social issues on which it focused during the campaign in favor of a narrower concentration on the fiscal issues that unite much of the tea party movement. But he defends the PAC as having “a commitment to honoring the principles of the tea party movement.”

      “There is an integrity to the work we do with Tea Party Express,” said Wierzbicki, asserting the Express adheres to the five principles emblazoned on the side of its bus, which he summarized as “end the bailouts, lower taxes, stop government-run health care, end the out-of-control deficits and reduce the size and intrusiveness of the federal government.”

      Before its tea party days, however, the PAC aired ads praising Palin, both during and after her unsuccessful GOP vice presidential campaign, “for serving the people of America with a servant’s heart,” standing up to “the liberal media” and teaching her son about “the honor and valor of serving in our nation’s armed forces.”

      Other Our Country ads aggressively attacked Obama, sometimes using themes Palin’s running mate, Republican presidential candidate John McCain, had declared out of bounds. One reminded voters of “hateful sermons from Obama's pastor for over 20 years,” while footage played featuring former Obama pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright preaching the words “God damn America!”

      Russo — who helped elect former Govs. George Deukmejian of California and George Pataki of New York, among other Republicans, and helped engineer the recall of Democratic California Gov. Gray Davis — said he was actually planning to shutter Our Country Deserves Better after the 2008 election, “but so many people were telling us that somebody had to stay active and do something. So we decided that we would do that, but we weren’t clear on exactly what we would do.”

      When the tea party movement picked up steam, Russo said, it made sense for the PAC to join in. “We had a good running start,” he said.

      Russo brought with him some of old tricks. The bus tour, for example, mirrored the cross-country “Stop Obama Tour” in which a bus emblazoned with pictures of McCain and Palin flanking the Our Country Deserves Better PAC logo, stopped at 30 pro-McCain/Palin rallies during the final two weeks of October 2008.

      And then, as now, a substantial portion of the PAC’s spending goes through Russo Marsh and, to a lesser extent, through King Media.

      The PAC paid Russo Marsh $135,000 in consulting fees and commissions, $400,000 for e-mail and Web newsletters and at least $650,000 to produce and place television advertisements. Though some of those sums reflect payments for e-mail address list rentals and television airtime that were passed along to list vendors and television stations, respectively, many of the blast e-mails and television ads served to drum up more attention and cash for the PAC, even as they also touted Republican candidates or attacked Democratic ones.

      “Go to OurCountryPAC.org and help us defeat Nancy Pelosi’s Democrats,” one pre-tea party PAC ad instructed viewers. A more recent offering urged viewers to “Join the Tea Party Express as we send Bart Stupak packing for an early retirement. Log on to TeaPartyExpress.org as we fight to defeat Bart Stupak.”

      Kelly Eustis, who was fired from his job as the Our Country Deserves Better’s political director in October, said the PAC — and particularly the Tea Party Express aspect of it — “is keeping the firm afloat.” Eustis, who started his own PAC and also has been retained to do fundraising consulting for rival tea party groups, said that while he was at Our Country Deserves Better, his colleagues regarded the tea party as “a brand name. We stole the brand name to make money.”

      And he charged Russo and Wierzbicki with “basically hijacking the movement for their personal and business gains without regard for real tea party activists.”

      Russo countered “we’re hardly making any money at all. I’m a cause-oriented person. This is not a lucrative business proposition. It’s a cause for me. I believe in what I’m doing.”

      As for the bus tours, Russo said “they work for us. It’s a great vehicle to go to a lot of places and get a lot of people involved and engaged. I am proud of what we do. Who else goes out there and motivates people and insinuates involvement and activity and actually is making a difference in what is going on?”
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