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    Police fear riots if Barack Obama loses US election

    Law enforcement officials say the intense public interest and historic nature of the vote could lead to violent outbreaks if people are unhappy with the results, encounter problems casting their ballots or suspect voting irregularities.
    Police departments say they cannot rule out disorder and are mobilising extra forces and putting SWAT teams on standby.
    In Oakland, near San Francisco, police will have tactical squads, SWAT teams and officers trained in riot control on standby.
    "We always try to prepare for the worst," said Oakland police department spokesman Jeff Thomason.
    "This election is going to mark in history a change in the presidency: you're going to have a woman in the presidency or an African American as president. I think everybody around here is voting for Obama, so if he gets in the White House everybody's going to be happy.
    "But we'll have our SWAT teams on standby and traffic teams here, so if something goes off we'll organise and take care of the problem."
    There have also been internet rumours about plans for protests or civil disobedience by supporters of Democratic candidate Barack Obama if he is beaten by Republican rival John McCain on November 4.
    He said Oakland was prepared to deal with unrest as Oakland Raiders fans rioted in 2003 following their Super Bowl loss.

    Police fear riots if Barack Obama loses US election - Telegraph
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    Yes, many crack addicts, welfare dregs and ne'erdowells will be quite upset if the redistribution-of-wealth candidate is beaten.

    Robin Hood in a suit is their savior.

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    Police fear riots if Barack Obama loses US election

    excellent headline, and i can imagine many clueless undecideds swinging his way in the hope of staving off another round of 'racist' riots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Yes, many crack addicts, welfare dregs and ne'erdowells will be quite upset if the redistribution-of-wealth candidate is beaten.

    Robin Hood in a suit is their savior.
    I think the reasons for people - many who are former GWB voters - supporting Obama is for transformation.

    There won't be any wealth re-distribution.

    There won't be more gov programs, IMO. There isn't the money pay for them.

    If and when BO wins, he'll bring in new people to head to gov bureaucracies and take the US into a new direction symbolically.

    As for our personal lives, it doesn't matter from a financial standpoint of whether McCain or Obama wins.

    It's the transformation and new fresh people. Psychology plays a part.

    Back to the OP topic, whether you liked GWB or not, Ohio was stolen in 2004 with the 300,000 who were not allowed to vote, so there is suspicion.

    However, as we know, vote-fraud takes place on both sides.
    ............

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    Only got themselves to blame, the vote was rigged before, for sure the people will be suspicious this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    As for our personal lives, it doesn't matter from a financial standpoint of whether McCain or Obama wins.
    I agree with you in principle.

    But Obama's platform centers around increasing taxes on the rich and if not redistributing that largess, at least reducing the tax on the poor.

    McCain's position is to reduce taxes, to a lesser extent, on everybody. As a percentage of income, that benefits the poor more than the rich, but in real terms, however, anybody over the 50th percentile would benefit more.

    In a nutshell, this is why some claim Obama has socialist leanings. It strikes many who see the US as a work-for-your-rewards place -- as quite unAmerican. I tend to agree. But it's a matter of a few degrees in either direction, not an all-or-nothing proposition as some declare.

    the vote was rigged before
    I find it odd that some who know very little about US elections and observe from afar continue to make such silly assertions while the offended and wildly violated party conceded, moved on and was over the drama within a matter of days.
    Last edited by Texpat; 27-10-2008 at 12:49 PM.

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    America is just like Hollywood.

    Who one earth would have thought that all those movies with a black president were just practice for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    As for our personal lives, it doesn't matter from a financial standpoint of whether McCain or Obama wins.
    I agree with you in principle.

    But Obama's platform centers around increasing taxes on the rich and if not redistributing that largess, at least reducing the tax on the poor.
    The don't pay taxes on income. They do pay sales taxes and such, but they don't pay income taxes.

    McCain's position is to reduce taxes, to a lesser extent, on everybody. As a percentage of income, that benefits the poor more than the rich, but in real terms, however, anybody over the 50th percentile would benefit more.
    The economy, lack of confidence, and recession are overshadowing the "tax cut" campaign theme of the McCain administration. And this "tax cut" focus has actually turned off some independents in my opinion.

    The problem IMO first, is the spending. He's talked about cutting spending, and earmarks, but not as often as cutting taxes.

    Cut taxes? Medicare and Social security are ticking time-bombs and the first boomer received their first SS check on January 1, 2008. Medicare is worse.

    Wages have been declining for some time.

    Housing crisis.

    401Ks have lost 30% and more.

    "Tax cuts" as a major campaign theme makes McCain look off base.


    In a nutshell, this is why some claim Obama has socialist leanings. It strikes many who see the US as a work-for-your-rewards place -- as quite unAmerican. I tend to agree.
    I don't see Obama as socialistic at all.

    GWB is one of the most socialistic Presidents in the 20th Century, after FDR, and LBJ.

    bkkmadness:
    the vote was rigged before
    Texpat:
    I find it odd that some who know very little about US elections and observe from afar continue to make such silly assertions while the offended and wildly violated party conceded, moved on and was over the drama within a matter of days.
    I don't know who you're referring to, but the Ohio election in 2004, was definitely fraudulent.

    This said, if Kerry won, Obama would not even be discussed right now.

    How interesting how this process works, which IMO, involves timing, luck, strategy, and human psychology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    the vote was rigged before, for sure the people will be suspicious this time.
    Your probably spot on there Maddy!

    Feckin great an American version of the PAD only this rioting group can be called BAD (Barack Alliance for Democracy).

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    IF barrack were to lose and IF there were any rioting, it would be purely racially motivated. The black man done hard over again ...

    Never mind that he's only half black.

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    I find it odd that some who know very little about US elections and observe from afar continue to make such silly assertions while the offended and wildly violated party conceded, moved on and was over the drama within a matter of days.
    It's not a drama for me, but it's a fact that people are suspicious of vote rigging due to prior problems with this, and they might not sit back and take it so easily should their suspicions be aroused this time.

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    So the Democratic Party who were, in your opinion, cheated, merely rolled over and accepted the loss despite actually winning? Despite a Supreme Court ruling ... Despite thousands of lawyers arguing for days ... they just gave up and lost because they were cheated by the devil?

    Madness has the inside scoop on US election fraud?

    Riiiight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    So the Democratic Party who were, in your opinion, cheated, merely rolled over and accepted the loss despite actually winning? Despite a Supreme Court ruling ... Despite thousands of lawyers arguing for days ... they just gave up and lost because they were cheated by the devil?

    Madness has the inside scoop on US election fraud?

    Riiiight.
    That it went all the way the the Supreme Court should tell you that they didn't just give up.

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    That the Dem's protesting lasted days, while others are still at it should tell you something (about the others). Conspiracy nutters.

    But hey, if such blathering serves to discredit the devil incarnate, and also cast doubt on the entire process, some will jump on the bandwagon no matter how absurd the allegation.

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    So you're saying that Bush won legitimately are you?

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    Yes, I am.

    The election wasn't perfect. And had some serious blunders.

    But if the candidate and the Democratic Party accepted the final decision without so much as a blink, congratulated Bush and went about their business, I find it absolutely laughable (sad actually) that a handful of farangs on a Thai web forum would obsess about it for years.

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    But if the candidate and the Democratic Party accepted the final decision without so much as a blink, congratulated Bush and went about their business, I find it absolutely laughable (sad actually) that a handful of farangs on a Thai web forum would obsess about it for years.
    The candidate and the Democratic Party didn't accept the final decision 'without so much as a blink'. They exhausted all legal avenues yet it was and remainsl a contentious issue... except apparently to you who seems to be engaged in a bit of revisionism.

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    For sure...some people still believe Bush choreographed 911 and that no man has stepped on the moon.

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    There will be riots if BO looses, there will be riots if he wins....by the same people.
    Obama sycophants are on the same mentality as British soccer fans, thick headed brutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    So the Democratic Party who were, in your opinion, cheated, merely rolled over and accepted the loss despite actually winning? Despite a Supreme Court ruling ... Despite thousands of lawyers arguing for days ... they just gave up and lost because they were cheated by the devil?

    Madness has the inside scoop on US election fraud?

    Riiiight.
    Which state and election are you referring to, Tex?

    Florida in 2000, and/or Ohio in 2004?

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    Voter suppression is already beggining. Error, or intentional voter suppression.

    High turnouts favor Dems, lower turnout (suppression) favors Repubs.

    ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- College senior Kyla Berry was looking forward to voting in her first presidential election, even carrying her voter registration card in her wallet.
    "Vote suppression is real. It does sometimes happen," said Daniel P. Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University.

    But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election officials.
    "This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said.
    But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it.

    The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9.

    "It was the most bizarre thing. I immediately called my mother and asked her to send me my birth certificate, and then I was like, 'It's too late, apparently,' " Berry said.

    Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote.

    Experts say lists of people with mismatches are often systematically cut, or "purged," from voter rolls.

    It's a scenario that's being repeated all across the country, with cases like Berry's raising fears of potential vote suppression in crucial swing states.
    Link & Entire: Some voters 'purged' from voter rolls - CNN.com

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    This is fringe, one-tenth of one percent stuff, MM.

    It's not commonplace. I've never met anyone who was denied a vote.

    And I would expect some people to be questioned. This story twists it into a major problem and casts doubts over the authenticity of the entire exercise.

    Aunty will gobble this shit up. Shit being the operative word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    some people still believe Bush choreographed 911
    The US government almost cretainly did.

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