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    The GOP is looking more and more like a party in the business of opposing just about everything. Would be much better to state what they are for rather than pen something full of what they oppose. Doubt there are many serving GOP folks who could pass this "litmus" test so they could receive RNC funding.

    "First Read has obtained a resolution being e-mailed around to Republican National Committee members for comments that proposes a conservative litmus test of sorts. This comes on the heels of a rift in the party that was exposed in the once-obscure special election in Upstate New York's 23rd Congressional District, in which national conservative leaders, including Sarah Palin, clashed with national establishment Republicans. The so-called GOP civil war threatens to derail moderate Republican candidacies in heated 2010 Republican primaries already underway. Florida's Senate race is perhaps the best and most prominent example.


    The "Resolution on Reagan’s Unity Principle for Support of Candidates" outlines 10 conservative principles the group of signees wants potential candidates to abide by. The principles include support for:
    (1) Smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill
    (2) Market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;
    (3) Market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
    (4) Workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check
    (5) Legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
    (6) Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
    (7) Containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat
    (8) Retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
    (9) Protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
    (10) The right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership
    "President Ronald Reagan believed, as a result, that someone who agreed with him 8 out of 10 times was his friend, not his opponent," the resolution states.

    But if a candidate disagrees with three of the above, then the group wants the RNC to withhold financial assistance and an endorsement from that candidate."

    A GOP purity test? - First Read - msnbc.com
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    And yes, I do agree Robuzo, many (most) mainstream and moderate GOPers want Palin out of the picture. She doesn't capture the demographic groups needed by the GOP.
    She is favored by certain conservative pundits who otherwise occasionally manage to sound reasonable, such as Tony Blankley, who is closely associated with Newt Gingrich. Gingrich is nothing like the man of ideas he seems to think he is, but next to Palin he's Aristotle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    "President Ronald Reagan believed, as a result, that someone who agreed with him 8 out of 10 times was his friend, not his opponent," the resolution states.
    But if a candidate disagrees with three of the above, then the group wants the RNC to withhold financial assistance and an endorsement from that candidate."
    these buffoons can't even get out of their own way.
    reagan wouldn't have passed this 'purity' test that bears his name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes
    reagan raised taxes (mulitiple times) and the debt ballooned under his watch


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Retention of the Defense of Marriage Act
    reagan opposed anti-gay laws in CA


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    The right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership
    he signed a gun ban bill after he and brady got shot


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Containment of Iran
    he sold arms to iran.


    what a bunch of dopes.
    Last edited by raycarey; 26-11-2009 at 10:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    And yes, I do agree Robuzo, many (most) mainstream and moderate GOPers want Palin out of the picture. She doesn't capture the demographic groups needed by the GOP.
    She is favored by certain conservative pundits who otherwise occasionally manage to sound reasonable, such as Tony Blankley, who is closely associated with Newt Gingrich. Gingrich is nothing like the man of ideas he seems to think he is, but next to Palin he's Aristotle.
    Gingrish is incredibly knowledgable and well-read. His book reviews are on Amazon, as an example.

    He doesn't sound very intellectual when interviewed, and this is probably intentional and it's not necessary to deliver a message in that manner.

    Gingrich is a party leader, but politically, I don't see him in office, and have never heard him indicate he wanted a top bureaucratic position (e.g. Sec of XYZ).

    And I agree, Palin as about as simple as a simpleton can get.
    ............

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    Unless I am extremely wrong, this is not looking good for the GOP. Thats not good for US democracy- but they only have themselves to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Unless I am extremely wrong, this is not looking good for the GOP. Thats not good for US democracy- but they only have themselves to blame.
    For the mid-terms in 11 months the GOP could pick up some Congressional seats as the non-white house party usually does.

    But with the 435 Congressional districts it may or not be a referendum on the BO adminstration. "All politics is local."

    I agree the GOP, as a party looks very fragmented and has problems.

    In 3 full years from now it will matter: that's what then election begins. In about 2 years and 1 month the official kickoff for looney season will begin with the Primary and Cacaus season.

    I'm glad it's away on the horizon so I can focus on other things.

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    Starve the poor, they’ll stop breeding

    “My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

    – Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina

    and candidate for S.C. governor.




    It’s hard to know where to start with a statement like that. Apparently, Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer believes that we should try to starve the poor out of existence. Deprive them of food and they will cease breeding: Problem solved, neat as that. (An audio version of Bauer’s remarks with additional context is available here. Hearing the vehemence with which Bauer makes the above statement only compounds its ugliness.)






    ^The comment starts at 1:52



    The Andre Bauer/Republican solution

    a copy and paste
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    Reagan was a conservative pragmatist. He was not an idealogue. The GOP today is dominated by idealogical purists who have purged their own party of moderate voices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Starve the poor, they’ll stop breeding
    How about: quit giving them welfare and give them a shovel and some work.

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    ^^^ I just listened to the entire talk, and what he is saying does make sense to me.

    I don't understand the media's focus on the "stray cats" comments and "breeding" when that was only 1% of the entire talk he gave.

    His comments make sense, and I've witenessed what he's talking about, first hand.

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    wiretapping a senators office?????????

    Yesterday, the FBI arrested O’Keefe and three others — “charged with entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony” — saying that they were plotting to wiretap Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office (D-LA). One of the other men, Robert Flanagan, is the son of William Flanagan, the acting U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana. Two of the men “dressed as telephone company employees” and showed up to Landrieu’s New Orleans office, saying they had to “fix phone problems.” O’Keefe was already there and was “positioning his cell phone in his hand to videotape the operation”:

    link: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/26/fox-okeefe/


    The FBI said in an affidavit that James O’Keefe was among the four men who were arrested Monday. Special Agent Steven Rayes said O’Keefe was helping two others, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan, who were dressed as employees of a telephone company and attempted to interfere with the office’s telephone system, The Times-Picayune of New Orleans reported Tuesday on its Web site.

    Flanagan is the son of William J. Flanagan, the acting U.S. attorney for western Louisiana, a Democratic official told the political newspaper The Hill.

    All four were charged with entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony.


    link: http://www.americablog.com/2010/01/fox-covers-wiretapping-attempt-at-us.html

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    ^ 5555555555555 Grasping for straws there, SL.

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    ^^Related to the wiretapping story

    The GOP future,………



    O'Keefe's three alleged accomplices: Conservative activists Dai, Basel and Flanagan

    Joseph Basel

    College conservative. According to The Centurion, a conservative Rutgers publication founded by O'Keefe, "frustrated conservative student Joe Basel started The Counterweight at the University of Minnesota-Morris. Both papers were started with assistance from the Leadership Institute 'Balance in Media' grant, which is still available for students starting conservative and libertarian campus publications today."
    ,……………………

    Robert Flanagan

    According to severalmediaoutlets, Robert Flanagan is "the son of William Flanagan, the acting U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana." The Times-Picayune reported that "Robert Flanagan's attorney, J. Garrison Jordan, said he believes his client works for the Pelican Institute."

    Robert Flanagan is a frequent blogger for The Pelican Post, where he has writtenabout Landrieu. The Pelican Post is the blog of The Pelican Institute for Public Policy, "a non-profit research and education institution that conducts scholarly research and analysis of Louisiana public policy. The Institute's mission is to advance sound policies based on the principles of free enterprise, individual liberty, and limited government."

    Stan Dai

    A "Stan Dai" is based in the Washington D.C. area and has frequently been involved in conservative causes.

    College conservative. In 2005, The Phillips Foundation awarded Dai a $5,000 scholarship under its Ronald Reagan Future Leaders Scholarship Program and cited his work on conservative causes. From the foundation's 2005 biography of Dai:

    STAN DAI, Lisle, Ill., attends The George Washington University majoring in Political Science. He is editor-in-chief of The GW Patriot, an alternative conservative student newspaper, a Club 100 Activist of Young America's Foundation, and an Undergraduate Fellow on Terrorism of the Foundation for the Defense of the Democracies. He is co-founder of GW's Students Defending Democracy, a volunteer on several political campaigns, and active in the GW College Republicans and GW Colonials for Life. He was a 2003 Honorable Mention in the U.S. Institute of Peace Essay Contest.

    ,………………


    Budding GOP Careers


    And from a right-wing blog,……….

    I assume the defense is going to be something like, “We never intended to tap the phone, we simply wanted to show how easy it would be if someone wanted to do it,” but even so: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh boy. Ten years.

    Link: http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/2...drieus-phones/
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    Well, now the 'Teabaggers' are fragmenting, and the accusations are flying. The "Tea party convention" has been exposed as a profit making scam, a private company owned by, by all accounts, one unpleasant dude.

    Sarah Palin however has accepted $115,000 to speak there- in preference to speaking at the Republican national conference which doesn't pay. No surprise there. A real peoples champion.

    Several of the 'grass roots' teabaggers are realising they were manipulated and scammed form the word go. Many of them were and are 'real'- but what did they expect. The whole thing was marshalled and sponsored by Lobby money- most high profile being Dick Armeys 'Freedom Works', Health Insurance lobby money. To fight Health care reform. These people no more want a true grass roots movement than the GOP does. Sheeple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Well, now the 'Teabaggers' are fragmenting, and the accusations are flying. The "Tea party convention" has been exposed as a profit making scam, a private company owned by, by all accounts, one unpleasant dude.

    Sarah Palin however has accepted $115,000 to speak there- in preference to speaking at the Republican national conference which doesn't pay. No surprise there. A real peoples champion.
    I think that a LOT of people will be turned off by the price of tickets, the money making aspect, and Palin's speech for $115,000.

    I honestly think the Tea Party Movement has lost credibility.

    It's a charade, now.
    No GOP, and no Dems should be involved ---> they are a part of this problem.

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    Related to the wiretapping story,………O’Keefe (Mr. Telephone Man)

    yada, yada, yada,………and then

    The best part of this is that now all the right-wing media, from Michelle Malkin to Pajamas Media, are sniffily tut-tutting such amateurish pranks, not because they suddenly realize O’Keefe has been a fraud all along, but because they realize what damage this could do to their own, uh, credibility. By evening, expect FOX to have declared the whole thing part of an Islamofascistcommielibrulmedia conspiracy to silence the latest, greatest “investigative reporter” the right has yet to produce. You see, up until this afternoon, O’Keefe was considered a shoo-in to win CPAC’s “prestigious Reagan Award,” for his ACORN “exposes,” and Andrew Breitbart and the whole FOX lineup had hailed him as the second coming of… something. That sort of adulation can go to your head if you’re a righty that has utterly given up on getting laid any other way.

    Well, O’Keefe’s chances of scoring won’t improve, at least in the way he’d like, in federal prison, and O’Reilly, Breitbart, et al are going to have a tougher and tougher time finding anyone so audaciously stupid and addlepated to do their “work” for them in the future. Even more hilariously, this bunch is bringing up Nixon’s similar but comparatively professional shenanigans, something that had slipped their minds for the last decade or so as Bush indulged in nearly all of them. Pat Buchanan, he of the proposed Brookings Institution firebombings back in the day, was even brought on to chat with Chris Matthews to share his “expertise” in this drearily familiar area of Republican politics.

    It’s funny… Even as the Democrats squander their mandate kowtowing to Republican memes, methods, and propaganda, the Republicans manage to go them one better and remind us all what pathetic and lawless authoritarians they are, and we are once again reminded how shoddy reporting, questionable means, and zero fact-checking can blow up in the pancaked faces of our idiotic media when they shower ridiculously obvious charlatans with undeserved adulation and celebrity, solely because the targets are supposedly “liberal,” and conservatives can do no wrong.

    Won’t someone on the right “please think of the children?” One of yours just got left behind.

    Telephone Man

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    ^Oh thanks for thinking about me,……….and for you,………

    Who is paying this halfwit, O’Keefe (the telephone man)?

    Yesterday, ACORN videographer James O'Keefe was arrested for an alleged plot to wiretap Sen. Mary Landrieu's phone. Andrew Breitbart, whose website BigGovernment.com published O'Keefe's ACORN videos, stated that he pays O'Keefe a "fair salary" so that "when he puts a story out there, it's on the Breitbart sites, the Big sites, that he can tell people what transpired." Breitbart also said that O'Keefe "was not involved in anything that was related to Big Government, or Breitbart.com" when he was arrested.


    GOP supporter, Breitbart, that’s who’s paying O’Keefe

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    ^ So what? James works freelance or on contract for Beitbart. Who cares? Where are you going with this? Should I dig up the uber-libbies who do stuff for Huff'n'Puff and Air America? Oh ya, Air America choked to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Should I dig up the uber-libbies who do stuff for Huff'n'Puff and Air America?
    By all means- if they have been caught trying to tap a politicians phone.
    It's a pretty serious offence, and they've been caught red handed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Where are you going with this?


    This thread is about the GOP, now and the future.

    These related stories I am posting about O’Keefe (and his partners in crime), Breitbart and Beck (below) are all GOP supporters. It is showing the reader (here at TD) where some GOP supporters are now,… jail (well a few days ago), in bed with criminals (not literally) and supporting criminals (well Beck is running away).

    It is also giving the reader an idea about where (some of) the GOP will be in the future. Jail! And if not there,..obstructing something, anything, just because they don’t want the current administration to succeed.

    Some of the posts here on this thread gave me an idea about a new thread,… “Let me know what have the Republicans positively contributed to America while Obama has been in office?” Maybe,…give it a short title,….. “Let me know”
    But I thought about it and decided against it. The reason,………the pages would be bare, because the GOP have contributed nothing positive to help America or its citizens while Obama has been in office.

    Now back on topic,……….

    Even the media whore Glenn Beck is running from this misfit wannabe journalist, telephone repairman O’Keefe, now.
    Beck weighs in on O'Keefe arrest
    Following the release of his undercover videos investigating ACORN offices, filmmaker James O'Keefe made the rounds on several Fox News shows, while even being named Fox News Sunday's "Power Player of the Week."

    So there's been speculation about how Fox hosts who gave considerable time to the ACORN videos — such as Glenn Beck — would react to the FBI's claims that O'Keefe and three other men dressed as repairmen and tried tampering with Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu's phone.

    Well, Beck didn't go easy on O'Keefe today on the radio, telling listeners that if the charges are true, that it was "insanely stupid" and Watergate territory."


    Beck’s Radio Broadcast about O’Keefe here: Beck weighs in on O'Keefe arrest - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com

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    ^ It says "alleged", SB.

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    ^Alleged

    Everybody’s talking about this slapdown David Shuster had with Andrew Breitbart, the guy who employs chief TeaBugger James O’Keefe.

    Aside from all the yelling, what I find notable about this is the way Breitbart succeeds in preventing Shuster from explaining what O’Keefe has been charged with: entering US property “for the purpose of willfully and maliciously interfering with a telephone system operated by the United States of America.

    And the TeaBuggers don’t deny that claim–they now say they wanted to cut off Landrieu’s phone system to see how she’d react.

    I’ll have more to say about this going forward. But even accepting the TeaBuggers at their word, that makes several things very clear.

    1.They had the intent of illegally shutting down the phone systems of a member of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security

    2.They planned to do so to get a reaction out of Landrieu (and, apparently, to film that reaction)

    Now, given that O’Keefe’s prior film on ACORN was about framing people and editing video of that frame for political maliciousness, it’s probably safe to assume that if O’Keefe’s current story is true, he had the same intent to falsely frame Landrieu and then edit his film to exacerbate her reaction.

    Maybe that’s why Breitbart is so desperate to prevent Shuster from explaining that to his viewers.

    The Telephone Repairman,..the plot thickens

    I am sure the government prosecutors will now start to stack,….then a rat will emerge from the cowardly group and we’ll get the rest of the story

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    It was time for questions and answers from some Rethugs,…….

    Here are some answers I thought stood out/were disturbing.

    Should Barack Obama be impeached, or not?
    Yes 39
    No 32
    Not Sure 29


    Do you think Barack Obama is a socialist?
    Yes 63
    No 21
    Not Sure 16


    Do you believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama?
    Yes 53
    No 14
    Not Sure 33


    Do you believe ACORN stole the 2008 election?
    Yes 21
    No 24
    Not Sure 55


    Should public school students be taught that the book of Genesis in the Bible explains how God created the world?
    Yes 77
    No 15
    Not Sure 8


    What they think and where they are going: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/2/832988/-The-2010-Comprehensive-Daily-Kos-Research-2000-Poll-of-Self-Identified-Republicans

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    More on O'Keefe,..........

    And now O’Keefe is being media-lynched again! Shocking!
    His right-wing admirers don’t seem to mind that O’Keefe’s short but storied career has been defined by a series of political stunts shot through with racial resentment. Now an activist organization that monitors hate groups has produced a photo of O’Keefe at a 2006 conference on “Race and Conservatism” that featured leading white nationalists. The photo, first published Jan. 30 on the Web site of the anti-racism group One People’s Project, shows O’Keefe at the gathering, which was so controversial even the ultra-right Leadership Institute, which employed O’Keefe at the time, withdrew its backing. But O’Keefe and fellow young conservative provocateur Marcus Epstein soldiered on to give anti-Semites, professional racists and proponents of Aryanism an opportunity to share their grievances and plans to make inroads in the GOP.


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