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    History,………….The Republican Party and job creation.






    To summarize the chart,………..

    (from the link) Under Democratic presidencies, job creation goes up. Every Democrat who followed a Republican did better than the Republican who preceded them. Every Republican who followed a Democrat produced fewer jobs than their predecessor.


    Link: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/23/153449/938/834/700890


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    how come we haven't heard anything from the GOP recently about privatizing social security?

    in case anyone here has forgotten, their big plan was to plan was to take put this safety net into the hands of wall st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    how come we haven't heard anything from the GOP recently about privatizing social security?

    in case anyone here has forgotten, their big plan was to plan was to take put this safety net into the hands of wall st.
    That plan - privatization of say, 1-3% was D.O.A. before it even began. Ds opposed, and many Rs.

    Remember, it's the Third Rail.

    The only ones that benefit from privatization are the investment companies and earn the fees. And with the decimated financial markets as they are, people want Social Security backed by the US govt, I.O.U.s and it's COLAS.

    It was never going to happen.

    This just reinforces the fact that the Social Security in its present form, is a disaster, and there are not viable, and logical ways to change it.
    ............

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    I guess they are looking for someone similar to Rush????????


    Tuesday, March 03, 2009


    Top GOP strategist says Steele is out as GOP chair if he keeps screwing up

    Some people just don't know their place.

    "What is amazing is that Steele was elected because of his communications skills, and it is those skills that are damaging the Republican Party. Before people begin to completely judge him as worthless, Steele needs to focus and knuckle down on building a strong foundation at RNC so we can begin rebuilding our majority," says a top GOP strategist who has worked for House and Senate Republican leaders. "If his implosion continues, RNC members are likely to call a special session to dump him for an effective chairman. There is not much patience for failure."


    Link: http://www.americablog.com/2009/03/top-gop-strategist-says-steele-is-out.html


    Link: http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/3/3/gop-to-michael-steele-quiet-about-rush-limbaugh-or-youre-fired.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Under Democratic presidencies, job creation goes up. Every Democrat who followed a Republican did better than the Republican who preceded them. Every Republican who followed a Democrat produced fewer jobs than their predecessor.



    Don't quite seem to be working out that way do it?

    Seen the unemployment figures released today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    I guess they are looking for someone similar to Rush????????

    Tuesday, March 03, 2009

    Top GOP strategist says Steele is out as GOP chair if he keeps screwing up
    Rush Limgaugh hurts the GOP. His listeners are not enough to turn the tide for the Republicans. Being divisive, rude, and loud, is not working. Rush listeners are already sold and have their positions.

    The GOP needs to attract, and grow. It's not doing this.


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    ^ I agree. They need someone fresh and vibrant. Jindal mebbe, but not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    They need someone fresh and vibrant.
    that's exactly the problem with the GOP and its lackeys. they're focusing on personalities and not ideas.

    here's a tip.....first find someone with ideas that are relevant and forward thinking, and then decide whether or not they are 'fresh' or 'vibrant'.

    and another tip....reaganomics is dead, and the unregulated free market has proven to be disastrous for america.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    ^ I agree. They need someone fresh and vibrant. Jindal mebbe, but not yet.
    Jindal is not big-time quality. He doesn't deliver the message, and even the message he tried to deliver was criticized by many GOPers and those on the opposite side of the aisle. Independents. That who will decide - the Center.

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    Huntsman trounces Limbaugh in poll

    It is the Limbaugh 'move the GOP further right' faction that seems to make the Press, but in this Poll the Right has been trounced by people who want a more moderate Republican party. Encouraging news I reckon:-


    Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. bests controversial conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh in a new national poll about the direction of the Republican Party.
    The Democratic strategy and polling group Democracy Corps found that more Americans prefer Huntsman's moderate approach to Limbaugh's premise that the GOP must move further to the right, 57 percent to 37 percent, according to Politico.com.

    As the GOP struggles to recover from last November's loss of the White House, Limbaugh is increasingly being seen as the party's leader. He told a recent gathering of conservatives that the party needed to return to its conservative roots to start winning again.

    But Huntsman has been attracting national attention as a moderate, thanks to his support of climate change and civil unions and condemnation of his party's lack of alternatives to the Democrat's federal stimulus package.

    Deseret News | Huntsman trounces Limbaugh in poll

    Jon Huntsman is the Governor of Utah.

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    ^ Did they poll any Republicans?

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    They did, but only as part of a cross sample. This link is to the original survey source, and quite interesting:-

    Analysis: National Survey Shows Talk Show Host Unpopular with Everybody, Except Conservative Republicans who Defend him and Share his Values

    While voters dislike Limbaugh and his values and think he has too much influence over the party’s ideas and direction, they do not accept that Republicans are following his lead because they want to see Obama fail. Just 32 percent agree with that statement. Still, 62 percent of voters, including a similar percentage of moderate Republicans, say that the Republican Party is embracing the “same old ideas and leaders it has relied on for the past 20 years” rather than seeking out new leaders and fresh ideas. With Rush Limbaugh’s vision and values so strong among the conservative Republicans who are the heart of the party’s base, Republican leaders carry a heavy weight when they attempt to position themselves to act for the broader electorate.

    Democracy Corps » Rush Limbaugh Weighs Down Heavily on Republicans

    I think the Right wing Republican faithful- who might broadly be defined as those who remain loyal to the Bush administration and it's goals, and believe the 'neo-cons' are right- seem to be exhibiting a bunker mentality at the moment.

    Traditionally, it was the Democrats seen as the more broad ranging, fractious party. That mantle seems to have shifted to the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Still, 62 percent of voters, including a similar percentage of moderate Republicans, say that the Republican Party is embracing the “same old ideas and leaders it has relied on for the past 20 years” rather than seeking out new leaders and fresh ideas.
    exactly.

    and it's only going to get worse. i recently read an article (politico?) in which the GOP is desperately trying to get former congressmen and senators to run again in 2010.

    the GOP is so bereft of ideas, that they've reduced themselves to running retreads.


    yep, here it is....
    The Republican Party may be in desperate need of new faces, but it’s turning to some familiar ones as it prepares for Senate races in 2010.

    Rep. Roy Blunt is running in Missouri. Former congressman and OMB Director Rob Portman could run in Ohio.

    Former Rep. Rob Simmons, who lost a reelection bid in 2006, is leaning toward a Senate run in Connecticut. And National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn has talked to former Sen. John Sununu, who lost a New Hampshire Senate seat in 2008, about running for the other one in 2010.
    GOP goes retro for 2010 races - Manu Raju and Josh Kraushaar - POLITICO.com

    they really must enjoy the wilderness, because they're just going deeper into it.

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    Well, if they shrink inwards and cater only for the Limbaugh faction, electorally the're stuffed- it's an aging, shrinking Demographic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post

    So....where is the GOP headed after this election -

    obscurity!

    We are coming into hurricane season soon and this obstructionist (Republican) wants to delay the confirmation hearings on the FEMA director because of what I believe are his own self interests.
    Pitiful excuse for a human being! Some republicans are writing their own obituaries (for their political life).



    Vitter Tries to Drown Louisiana Again

    In a move that can only be described as profoundly stupid, Senator David Vitter (Brain Dead, LA), has placed a hold on the nomination of Craig Fugate to be the head of FEMA.

    (snip)

    So, what we have here is a Senator from Louisiana placing a hold on the most-qualified FEMA nominee ever, because he wants more "flexibility" to build in the areas most prone to flooding in hurricanes.

    Entire story: http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5105#more-39657

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    Here is an interview with Ron Paul on the current and future of the GOP. It starts with about 10 seconds of Limbaugh (laugh). Seems like the GOP that ostracized Ron Paul last year are changing some of the coldness to him.


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    It comes down to the fact that the "party of No" were in fact the starters of all this bailout stuff- something like $1 trillion was pledged by the Bush administration.

    A lot of Americans are concerned at the amont of money being spent, and the GOP is tapping into this. But they can hardly do so without looking ridiculous, as they were the ones that decided it (rather than going the Libertarian or Free market route), and who started the Bailouts. So of course, they bring Ron Paul back in from the cold. I'm surprised Ron Paul doesn't pull them up on their hypocricy actually, given the appalling way he was treated by them in the Primaries. And you can bet he will be dropped like a hot potato once his usefulness is expended.

    The reality is however, the true free market route was never an option. It would have meant a total collapse of the banking system, credit lines, working capital for enterprise and so on. Followed by soup kitchens and probably widespread civil unrest. Such valid arguments as are out there concern the extent of the bailout package- and I should point out some economists such as Paul Krugman argue it is too small.

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    The GOP needs a leader like Jack Kemp. May he rest in peace.

    "Kemp’s death comes at a time when his party is in philosophical shell shock.
    As it regroups, the GOP will find a useful “happy warrior” model in the dynamic Jack Kemp."

    "The former Buffalo Bills quarterback often described himself as a “bleeding heart conservative.” And he was. Kemp well earned the nickname for his creative work in upgrading housing and creating employment opportunities in some of the nation’s hardscrabble urban areas. He was the walking, talking, policy-making proof that conservatism and concern for human beings do indeed mix — and can mix well. Today’s GOP comes across as distanced from ordinary folks. It would do well to take notice."

    Jack Kemp: Ex-QB made key plays in Reagan Revolution | Editorial | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    The GOP needs a leader like Jack Kemp.
    anyone else notice that the real leader of the GOP (limbaugh) recently told both john mccain and colin powell to leave the party....if kemp were still alive and active in politics, limbaugh probably would have said the same to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    The GOP needs a leader like Jack Kemp.
    anyone else notice that the real leader of the GOP (limbaugh) recently told both john mccain and colin powell to leave the party....if kemp were still alive and active in politics, limbaugh probably would have said the same to him.
    It says a lot: a radio host entertainer is telling public policy makers, and accomplished former Generals and diplomats to "go away."

    A radio host is a radio host.

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    The decline in Republican Party affiliation among Americans in recent years is well documented, but a Gallup analysis now shows that this movement away from the GOP has occurred among nearly every major demographic subgroup. Since the first year of George W. Bush's presidency in 2001, the Republican Party has maintained its support only among frequent churchgoers, with conservatives and senior citizens showing minimal decline.





    link: http://www.americablog.com/2009/05/gop-is-shrinking-across-every.html

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    Here is Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina breaking the 11th Amendment, criticizing fellow Republican Ron Paul.

    Talking about Iraq, now? Getting boo-ed.

    Yes, the GOP, is hurting right now.

    It's only 2 minutes. Worth a watch:


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    limbaugh wants powell out of the GOP and cheney prefers limbaugh to powell.....but guess who the american people prefer?

    CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey finds the former SecState has a 70% favorability rating, compared to Cheney's 37% and Limbaugh's 30%.

    Dates conducted: May 14-17. Error margin: 3 points.
    Poll: Powell Liked More Than Cheney,[at]Limbaugh - The Page by Mark Halperin – TIME.com


    the two of them combined don't have the favorability rating that powell has.....but cheney and limbaugh do have at least 6x as many vietnam era deferments.

    btw, cheney has 5 of those deferments....and as far as i know limbaugh only has one, but it could be two.



    hey mods, what happened to my RNC post?
    you know, Rush, Newt, Cheney?

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    ^ Powell was probably saved when he made public his support for Obama !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    hey mods, what happened to my RNC post?
    you know, Rush, Newt, Cheney?
    Needs to be in pic section.

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