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    The Republicans do need more diversity in their party if they are going to stay a major party. I don’t think the younger voters will tolerate their policies and will move towards a more open party as the Democrats have provided.

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    the republicans poisoned their own well by selling out their party to radical christian fundamentalists. considering what the atwater/rove/schmidt style of polarization politics has done to america in the last 20 years, the GOP is getting exactly what it deserves.

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    Demographical differences. Education, and other factors. The "solid South" is a thing of the past, but is the region waning, politically? In my opinion yes.

    For South, a Waning Hold on Politics

    By ADAM NOSSITER
    November 10, 2008

    VERNON, Ala. — Fear of the politician with the unusual name and look did not end with last Tuesday’s vote in this rural red swatch where buck heads and rifles hang on the wall. This corner of the Deep South still resonates with negative feelings about the race of President-elect Barack Obama.
    Wes Frazer for The New York Times
    Bill Pennington at his shop in Vernon, Ala. John McCain won 76 percent of the county’s vote.

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    What may have ended on Election Day, though, is the centrality of the South to national politics. By voting so emphatically for Senator John McCain over Mr. Obama — supporting him in some areas in even greater numbers than they did President Bush — voters from Texas to South Carolina and Kentucky may have marginalized their region for some time to come, political experts say.
    The region’s absence from Mr. Obama’s winning formula means it “is becoming distinctly less important,” said Wayne Parent, a political scientist at Louisiana State University. “The South has moved from being the center of the political universe to being an outside player in presidential politics.”
    One reason for that is that the South is no longer a solid voting bloc. Along the Atlantic Coast, parts of the “suburban South,” notably Virginia and North Carolina, made history last week in breaking from their Confederate past and supporting Mr. Obama. Those states have experienced an influx of better educated and more prosperous voters in recent years, pointing them in a different political direction than states farther west, like Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi, and Appalachian sections of Kentucky and Tennessee.
    Link & entire: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/us...hp&oref=slogin

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    All you need to know about people who support Bush and his failed presidency.

    Clueless,….F’in clueless!

    Link: http://www.americablog.com/2008/11/bush-voter-speaks.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    the republicans poisoned their own well by selling out their party to radical christian fundamentalists. considering what the atwater/rove/schmidt style of polarization politics has done to america in the last 20 years, the GOP is getting exactly what it deserves.
    Heh, polarization. As if the Democrats haven't played a part or even started it with their 60s radical in your face form of politics. Thank God, the 60s generation is going out of power. Had the far left not insisted on making Christmas scenes illegal on court house lawns the religious right would have stayed satisfied and sleepy. All you had to do was give them that symbol to enjoy once a year and things would have been cool. But, no, you had to poke the bear. Now they know they have political power. Good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attaboy View Post
    Heh, polarization. As if the Democrats haven't played a part or even started it with their 60s radical in your face form of politics. Thank God, the 60s generation is going out of power.
    That's not the way it is, or was.

    The Democratic party changed the way it chooses the Presidential nominee. This was intentional and caused the Dem party to become more "mainstream" and in the Center. Superdelegates, backroom deals at the conventions.

    The Democratic party has shifted rightward and to the center.

    I consider the Dem party be a pro-corporate Center, party, with only a few, few, on the "left" of things.

    Many of the 60s generation went to Wall St.

    As they age, yes, the younger generations will control things more and more for both parties.
    ............

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    Just because they became more authoritarian and less inclusive in how they choose their presidential nominee doesn't mean they haven't been 'in your face' with their politics federal, state and local or via the judiciary. They have been out of power for quite a few years. People have forgotten what it was like. We'll get a reminder come next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey
    the republicans poisoned their own well by selling out their party to radical christian fundamentalists.
    and they did because their "values" and "ideas" were so out of touch with the real world, they had no choice but go to the farther extreme in lala land,

    I have also noticed that the majority of people voting for them are themselves in lala land or completely ignorant of who they are and just vote for them because they don't want to be associated with democrats. They obviously missed a few party memos.

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    Give you all two years. Let's see how Congress spends the tax money and addresses the issues. Hope nobody attacks. Pelosi and Reid won't have a Rep president to blame for not handling the disaster while they hide in the toilet.

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    Another reason the Republicans don’t have much of a chance,………it’s because of history. They claim they are the party of Fiscal Responsibility, but look at the chart below,…………………hypocrites.



    More about the chart: http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/obamas-summit-and-myth-republican-fiscal
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    ^ yeah, it is amusing how they're suddenly worried about deficits.

    and btw, can someone tell me who the national leader of the GOP is?

    is it really michael steele?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^ yeah, it is amusing how they're suddenly worried about deficits.
    Yes, this is definitely political. An attempt by the GOP to change its brand, IMO. For 8 years the Repubs were in control of the House and the Senate (well, 6 years) and they went along with GWB on his spending, working with him.

    I am not convinced.

    and btw, can someone tell me who the national leader of the GOP is?

    is it really michael steele?
    Yes. Steel is the head of the RNC.

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    The problem with Republicans is not so much with their ideas, but their total dishonesty about anything, including the source of their ideas

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    ^^ do you really think steele is the leader of the GOP? do republicans in 'middle america' look at steele and say, this guy is the leader of our party?

    IMO the GOP doesn't have a national leader (sans drug addict rush limbaugh) and that is at least in part why they seem so rudderless.

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    did anyone watch the republican response to obama's speech last night.

    jindal is most certainly not ready for primetime.

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    ^I did and I think he blew any chance he had as any leader in the republican party. The Repubs are wishing Sarah did the response,.from what I gather on their sites. The hole gets deeper…………….

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth
    I did and I think he blew any chance he had as any leader in the republican party.
    it's still early days....i think we'll have to wait and see what happens after the 2010 midterms.




    btw, is it true that jindal changed his name to 'bobby' because of a childhood infatuation with bobby brady from the brady bunch?

    and no, i'm not kidding...that's a serious question.

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    ^I read that also some place,...........but what's in a name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth
    I read that also some place,...........but what's in a name?
    Barak
    Hussein
    Obama

    Names like these can be quite detrimental to a US politicians. Causes all sorts of wild conjecture

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    Yes, time to put these idealists and ideals in the bin ? Stop the conning and scamming and give us something that makes sense.

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    Trying to change the message and brand to appeal to younger voters, and non-whites. The GOP has to do this, and it knows this. Interesting how Karl Rove blocked Steele in 2006 to lead the RNC.

    Steele: GOP needs 'hip-hop' makeover

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    Newly elected Republican National Committee Chairman Michael S. Steele plans an “off the hook” public relations offensive to attract younger voters, especially blacks and Hispanics, by applying the party's principles to “urban-suburban hip-hop settings.”

    The RNC's first black chairman will “surprise everyone” when updating the party's image using the Internet and advertisements on radio, on television and in print, he told The Washington Times.

    Having been elected to the job that the Bush White House and its political guru, Karl Rove, once denied him, Mr. Steele is running the show his way. To those who claimed he can't make the trains run on time, he has this message: “Stuff it.”
    He stiff-armed an attempt to get him to elaborate on his public relations effort, saying he would be an idiot to give his opponents too much information, but indicated the Republican Party needs to break out of being considered a regional party.

    ”There was underlying concerns we had become too regionalized and the party needed to reach beyond our comfort” zones, he said, citing defeats in such states as Virginia and North Carolina.

    “We need messengers to really capture that region - young, Hispanic, black, a cross section ... We want to convey that the modern-day GOP looks like the conservative party that stands on principles. But we want to apply them to urban-surburban hip-hop settings.”

    But, he elaborated with a laugh, “we need to uptick our image with everyone, including one-armed midgets.”

    “Where we have fallen down in delivering a message is in having something to say, particularly to young people and moms of all shapes - soccer moms, hockey moms,” he said, though he insisted that party messages won't be different strokes for different folks. “We don't offer one image for 18-year-olds and another for soccer moms but one that shows who we are for the 21st century.”

    Mr. Steele, the former lieutenant governor of Maryland and former state Republican Party chairman, defeated four rivals in the sixth round of voting on Jan. 30 to become chairman of the 168-member RNC. At the end of 2006, after Republicans lost their House and Senate majorities, Mr. Rove nixed a growing movement among RNC members - state Republican Party chairmen and elected national committee members - to elect Mr. Steele as their next chairman.
    Entire: Washington Times - Steele: GOP needs 'hip-hop' makeover

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth
    I read that also some place,...........but what's in a name?
    Barak
    Hussein
    Obama

    Names like these can be quite detrimental to a US politicians. Causes all sorts of wild conjecture
    This is why we shouldn’t drop to some of the Republicans level of thinking. It’s a name,……..just a name.

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    This is at the state level. But this state representative of Colorado is still a Republican. Right Wing Xtians are a part of the party.

    After about 1 minute he starts quoting the Bible and talking about odd things:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman
    quoting the Bible and talking about odd things
    bit redundant, isn't it?

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    The GOP is reeling as it's base is eroding. White folks make up less of the electorate.

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