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    Blame Clinton And The Greens For Gas Prices

    A bit of insight of high energy costs
    See /commentary/guest/2008/hl_0428p.shtml GOPUSA - Republican - Conservative - GOP - Politics - News - Information
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    Not much I can add here as the article says it all

    Blame Clinton And The Greens For Gas Prices
    By Henry Lamb
    April 28, 2008
    With gas prices now yon-side of $3.50 per gallon, wouldn't it be great to have an extra million barrels of domestic oil flowing daily into the American pipeline? Blame William Jefferson Clinton, who vetoed a bill in 1995 that would have opened the Alaska reserves that could have been producing much needed domestic energy today.
    Blame the green environmental extremists who block every effort to expand domestic energy supply, whether in off-shore oil reserves, expansion of clean coal production, or the construction of new nuclear energy facilities. It's just plain dumb to allow the shortage of readily available energy to drive prices so high that the entire economy and food supply are in jeopardy.
    The fear-mongering extremists bring up the "global warming" hobgoblin every time a new initiative is introduced to increase the energy supply. Atmospheric carbon dioxide from human activity makes little or no difference to the climate.
    The one thing on which scientists agree is that atmospheric carbon dioxide is currently about 375 parts-per-million. Eighty percent of this carbon is naturally occurring, and would be in the atmosphere had oil never been discovered. The remaining 20 percent, or about 75ppm, is generally attributed to all the smoke-stacks and automobiles and lawn mowers that humans have created.
    Could all man-made carbon dioxide produced by humans be eliminated from the atmosphere, the difference would be undetectable. Visualize an Olympic-size swimming pool containing the standard 660,253.9 gallons of water. (web site) The average depth would be 7.480 feet. Remove the percentage of water equal to man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and the new average depth of the pool would be 7.452 feet. Undetectable!
    A reduction of 75ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would make no difference on any thermometer. And it would take total elimination of all man-made carbon dioxide to achieve this number. The Kyoto Protocol, had it been fully implemented, would have reduced carbon dioxide by only about 1ppm.
    These results are simply not worth banning the use of fossil fuels.
    Environmental extremists prefer to mandate the expanded use of ethanol, rather than using abundant oil supplies. This alternative produces less energy per gallon of fuel than gasoline, while driving the price of food upward, causing riots, (web site) and forcing the cultivation of more land where wildlife can no longer flourish.
    Environmental extremists wring their hands and cry crocodile tears at the thought of "ruining" the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge by using only 2000 of the 18 million acres for oil production. But they seem to have no problems with the idea of covering millions of acres in the southwest with solar panels.
    Environmental extremists celebrate their victory in banning DDT to save birds. But they have no problem with miles and miles of wind turbines that slaughter millions of birds every year. Nor do they seem to have any sympathy for the millions of people who have died from malaria as a direct result of the ban on DDT.
    Big oil is not to blame for the high price of gasoline; the blame must fall squarely in the lap of the environmental extremists who use propaganda and fear-mongering to block the increases in the production of readily available fossil fuels. There are sufficient reserves of coal to last about 200 years. Despite Jimmy Carter's 1970s declaration that the world would be out of oil by 2000, and considering the anticipated increase in demand, there are enough known oil reserves to last at least 60 years. This energy should be available now.
    Of course, research should continue to find abundant, affordable energy supplies for the future. But forcing technology to advance by arbitrarily and unnecessarily prohibiting the use of currently-available energy supplies makes no sense. The price of both existing supplies and alternative technology is artificially increased. To write this foolishness into law is even worse.
    Every time government sticks its nose into the market place and attempts to manage it, government makes a mess. The ethanol mandate, for example, inevitably results in price increases for food - for everyone. The arbitrary increase in fuel efficiency standards inevitably results in smaller, lighter automobiles - and more crash-related deaths. The much touted cap-and-trade program for carbon emissions will inevitably result in taking money out of the pockets of wage-earners, and transfer it to the pockets of people like Al Gore, who created the "hot-air" store, and sells his goods only because government forces people to buy them.
    Every time a person fills up at the pump, he should visualize the billions of barrels of oil that are waiting in Alaska, and the billions of barrels of oil that are waiting in the Dakotas and Montana, and the billions of barrels of oil that are waiting just off shore - and curse the environmental extremists who are forcing him to pay far more for his transportation than is necessary.
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    Henry Lamb is the Chairman of Sovereignty International , and founder of the Environmental Conservation Organization (ECO).

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    Who's been in government for the last 8 years?

    The "green environmental extremists"?

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    I believe the question should be who's blocking all attempts of procuring home based energy, Most people don't know that ethenol as a fuel is worthless in colder climates as it freezes rather quickly & useless as aircraft fuel where temps get below freezing & as the article explains although corn is replenisable excessive use as a fuel drives up food prices not only in America but worldwide thus creating famine where people are already starving. The US has always had a surplus of grain that is exported feeding third world underdeveloped nations, Converting it into fuel will be senseless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackhole View Post
    oil reserves to last at least 60 years
    A world war will decide who gets this.

    My money's on the Chinese.

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    I wonder who voted in the Ethanol Mandate?

    Maybe that was Clinton's fault?

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    Right...and those pesky Greens still oppose drilling in the ANWAR

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    FOR THE RECORD
    The most recent government data shows food inflation for the average American household is now running at 4.5% a year. And some prices are rising even more quickly. The latest data show cereal prices rising by more than 8% a year. Both flour and rice are up more than 13%. Milk, cheese, bananas and even peanut butter: They’re all up by more than 10%. Eggs have rocketed up 30% in a year. Ground beef prices are up 4.8% and chicken by 5.4%. These are trends that have been in place for some time. And if you are hoping they will pass, here’s the bad news: They may actually accelerate. The reason? The prices of many underlying raw materials have risen much more quickly still. Wheat prices, for example, have roughly tripled in the past three years. Sooner or later, the food companies are going to have to pass those costs on. Kraft saw its raw material costs soar by about $1.25 billion last year, squeezing profit margins. The company recently warned that higher prices are here to stay. Last month the chief executive of General Mills, Kendall Powell, made a similar point. The main reason for rising prices, of course, is the surge in demand from China and India. Hundreds of millions of people are joining the middle class each year, and that means they want to eat more and better food. A secondary reason has been the growing demand for ethanol as a fuel additive. That’s soaking up some of the corn supply... The emerging bull market in agricultural products is following in the footsteps of oil. A few years ago, many Americans hoped $2 gas was a temporary spike. Now it’s the rosy memory of a bygone age.” —Brett Arends

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    Blame who ever you want for the price of oil/ gas. But I am all in favor of not tapping our reserves until we have cleaned out the reserves in the middle east. Generally speaking the US is still one of the cheapest places in the industrialized world to buy gas. This will continue to be the case regardless of tapping the great white north or not.

    Besides world demand would not be quenched even if we tapped the great white north. Better we start now to learn how to be less dependent on oil/ gas while we still have reserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackhole
    Blame Clinton
    wasn't oil about $30/barrel when clinton left office? seven years later it's $120.....and it's clinton's fault?





    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    drilling in the ANWAR
    you work for an oil company boon mee.....how long is it estimated that it would take for US consumers to use up all the of the oil in ANWAR?

    am i wrong when i say it would last for approximately one year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackhole
    Blame Clinton
    wasn't oil about $30/barrel when clinton left office? seven years later it's $120.....and it's clinton's fault?





    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    drilling in the ANWAR
    you work for an oil company boon mee.....how long is it estimated that it would take for US consumers to use up all the of the oil in ANWAR?

    am i wrong when i say it would last for approximately one year?
    There is so much oil up there, no one know for sure what the reserves are. But, the point is that it's owned by the US and not dependent on OPEC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    There is so much oil up there, no one know for sure what the reserves are.
    cop out.
    just a couple of weeks ago you were predicting how much oil there is off brazil.

    what's the conventional wisdom on what's up there boon mee?

    fcuk it....i don't have time or the inclination to watch you spend the rest of the night dodging.

    the conventional wisdom is that US would burn through all the oil in ANWAR in a year. perhaps 100 days less or 100 days more.

    ANWAR is not even close to the solution....but is a great way for the oil services industry to make a lot of dough at taxpayer expense.

    Arctic Refuge drilling controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Study: ANWR oil would have little impact - Environment - MSNBC.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ANWAR is not even close to the solution....but is a great way for the oil services industry to make a lot of dough at taxpayer expense.
    Providing a lot of good-paying jobs along the way at taxpayer expense? WTF? over...

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    this has got to be the most absurd thread in issues since boon mee started that thread about more military dying under clinton than GWB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    this has got to be the most absurd thread in issues since boon mee started that thread about more military dying under clinton than GWB.
    Another in a long line of so-called 'classic' dodges ala RC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Another in a long line of so-called 'classic' dodges ala RC!
    what am i allegedly dodging?

    what's the question?

    that there would be jobs for employees in the oil services industry? i included that in my post.

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    Yeah, an absurd thread, started by our latest copy/paste artist.

    The OP is from the impartial GOP website, no less.
    I bet Clinton is responsible for the cold winter as well, or would that be Commie Kerry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    I bet Clinton is responsible for the cold winter as well, or would that be Commie Kerry?
    Take you pick and while you're at it, why hasn't Al Gore been brought up on charges yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackhole
    Blame Clinton
    wasn't oil about $30/barrel when clinton left office? seven years later it's $120.....and it's clinton's fault?
    Sure, Ray, and how much were wages, consumer prices, and rents/house prices back then? I paid $225 for apartment rent in the 70s-80s, a similar place costs about $1,100 now. How bout a cup of coffee? $0.25-30 then, lucky to get a cheapie for $1.50 plus tax now.
    What, you think Bush can tell OPEC and all the suppliers what to charge for oil/gas? How much did Thailand's gas companies clear in 1Q08 profits, Ray? Why didn't the Thai govt step in and put a lid on prices?

    It's almost bladdy May and I'm in the warmest city in Canada and it's bladdy freezing. Global warming my tush. Al Gore made several hundred grand speaking here last year about his pansy global warming slop. He should buy me a new parka and mukluks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    in the 70s-80s
    sorry jet, clinton left office in jan 2001.....7 years ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    What, you think bush can tell OPEC and all the suppliers what to charge for oil/gas?
    did i post that? eh, jet?
    in fact, you're the only person to post 43's name on this thread.

    next!

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    Finally there's some movement to open up ANWR at long last. Only holds some 10 Billion barrels of proven reserves.

    "What does 10.4 Billion Barrels of Oil Mean?
    10.4 Billion Barrels produces:

    • 436.8 Billion Gallons of Gasoline
    o 12.6 Billion Tanks of Gasoline (based on a 16 gallon tank)
    o 93 tanks of gas for EVERY registered passenger vehicle
    • 10.4 Trillion Gallons of Diesel
    o 320 Million Tanks of Diesel (with Two 150 gallon tanks on a semi)
    • 4.3 Trillion Gallons of Jet Fuel
    o 5.7 Million Tanks of Jet Fuel (on fully fueled 737-600s with 6,875 gallon tanks)

    "Let’s be clear about this. The Coastal Plain of ANWR, also known as the 1002 Area, is neither wilderness nor refuge. It was set aside by Congress and President Carter in 1980 for future oil development. Development would be limited to 2000 acres of the Coastal Plain or 0.01% of the entire 19.6 million-acre refuge. These lands were set aside for America to produce its own energy resources. What are we waiting for?"

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    To put it on 'The price is right' show ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun View Post
    The price is right ?
    We have the technology!

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    America has the technology but why use it until it's more financially viable. A case of last man standing.

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    The blame lies fairly and squarely with the good 'ol laws of mathematics. If demand rises (thanks you developing world esp. China) and supply doesn't keep up(thank you Gulf War 2.0 etc.) then prices will rise. Simple undergrad level macro economics. All else is partisan bullshit. The fact that this is too hard for the G.O.P to understand speaks volumes - as does the current record fiscal deficit.

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