Overpopulation - What's the Limit?

**thailazer** · 14-07-2019, 10:13 PM

I was born in 1955 and the world's population was 2.8 Billion. Now, in 2019, it will approach 7.8 Billion, more than doubling in those 64 years. The news stories I saw on television yesterday were about the immigration issue where people are escaping violence, overcrowding, and poverty, stories about tourist areas like Venice being over run by visitors, and even Australia is concerned about their population.

The root of a lot of problems is just too many people. Economists say we need population increase to stem the financial system, but at what cost. Back in the 70's and 80's, we heard a lot about zero population growth but today it is a forgotten theme. The world's resources have a limit, and I wonder how far away from the hard limit we are.

**TizMe** · 14-07-2019, 11:03 PM

I think a greater concern is the increasing number of Chinese passport holders...

In 2018 it was 120 million. This number will double by 2020.

How long until I just want to lock myself in my room and never travel again???

**Luigi** · 14-07-2019, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by thailazer

the immigration issue where people are escaping violence, overcrowding, and poverty

Well, at least they're thankful and settle in well.

**Looper** · 15-07-2019, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by thailazer

The world's resources have a limit, and I wonder how far away from the hard limit we are.

Probably a long way. And we will probably never test the limit. Many advanced countries have birth rates falling below 2 children per female. Their population growth is due to immigration.

Once poor countries are wealthy too it will be the same story all over the world. Educated wealthy populations do not have that many children. World population might top out at 20-25 Billion which is far short of testing any kind of sustainability ceiling.

Originally Posted by thailazer

Economists say we need population increase to stem the financial system

The free market financial model we live by is based on the idea of guaranteed long term economic growth. Investing money in stocks and shares means you are betting that the future will be better than the present. Technological innovation has ensured that this is true since the start of the industrial revolution. It will probably continue to be true for a long time into the future. But maybe not forever.

**thailazer** · 15-07-2019, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by TizMe

I think a greater concern is the increasing number of Chinese passport holders...

In 2018 it was 120 million. This number will double by 2020.

How long until I just want to lock myself in my room and never travel again???

I am about there. Just got back from Hawaii and was surprised how packed the Seattle airport was. Lot's of Chinese for sure, but the frenzy level was higher there than I have ever seen it. Felt like a holiday weekend decades ago, but I guess every day is that way now. Very glad that I live in an area where a two hour drive gets me 40 miles from the nearest town!

**cyrille** · 15-07-2019, 02:21 AM

Apparently people now land in Thailand with no intention of taking drugs, getting pissed or shagging hookers.

One has to wonder what they have in mind.

**NamPikToot** · 15-07-2019, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Apparently people now land in Thailand with no intention of taking drugs, getting pissed or shagging hookers.

One has to wonder what they have in mind.

Does it make you uncomfortable standing out?

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 15-07-2019, 05:39 AM

The world population will stabilize at 11 billion people
Why is perfectly clear in the short video below

**VocalNeal** · 15-07-2019, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by thailazer

The world's resources have a limit, and I wonder how far away from the hard limit we are.

There is an academic paper written on the the concept of making UK electric only for cars by 2050. It says if i remember that scheme will require all the lithium mined a significant portion of the Neodymium...etc...etc.

So basically unfeasible even as of today.

**Latindancer** · 15-07-2019, 10:24 AM

One problem is that our economies are currently dependent on constant growth.

**cisco999** · 15-07-2019, 11:19 AM

Does anyone really care?

**qwerty** · 15-07-2019, 01:41 PM

Population growth, whether through high birth rates or immigration, ensures that the top 1% have a virtually limitless supply of cheap labor.

No-one else benefits from population growth. We simply have more people competing for limited resources.

**docmartin** · 15-07-2019, 01:55 PM

I can’t recall the reference but a study in Straya some years ago reckoned that the peak in quality of life occurred in 1978, considering access to food, housing, energy, holidays, personal freedom etc etc.

Getting and having more more more is crazy.
But that’s what species do. Exploit the resources in their environmental niche and increase their numbers until the resources run out and the population crashes.

A smart species would recognise this and manage its numbers and resources but I guess we’re dumb.

**Takeovers** · 15-07-2019, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

There is an academic paper written on the the concept of making UK electric only for cars by 2050. It says if i remember that scheme will require all the lithium mined a significant portion of the Neodymium...etc...etc.

So basically unfeasible even as of today.

Who keeps spreading this myth and what's the motivation? None of these raw materials are rare. Production can and will grow with demand.

The big car manufacturers and particularly the Unions don't like electric cars. The number of employees will shrink because they last longer and most importantly they need a lot less servicing.

**Klondyke** · 15-07-2019, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

The world population will stabilize at 11 billion people

How this complies with the idea of NWO?

**Latindancer** · 15-07-2019, 04:50 PM

Overpopulation - What's the Limit?-capitalism-jpg

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 16-07-2019, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

How this complies with the idea of NWO?

I dont know anything about NWO, and cant see how it could possibly be any worse than the OWO
The OP asked "The world's resources have a limit, and I wonder how far away from the hard limit we are. " in relation to overpopulation, to which i replied that according to statistics It should stabilize at 11 billion and perhaps decline after that, I make no value judgments.
Personally, any more than 15 or 20 people (my immediate family and one friend) are way too many, and should kill themselves because I am too lazy and too cheap, to kill them myself

. Bullets are not Cheap!!

**Switch** · 16-07-2019, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

I dont know anything about NWO, and cant see how it could possibly be any worse than the OWO
The OP asked "The world's resources have a limit, and I wonder how far away from the hard limit we are. " in relation to overpopulation, to which i replied that according to statistics It should stabilize at 11 billion and perhaps decline after that, I make no value judgments.
Personally, any more than 15 or 20 people (my immediate family and one friend) are way too many, and should kill themselves because I am too lazy and too cheap, to kill them myself

. Bullets are not Cheap!!

I suspect your closing remarks were a little tongue in cheek, but I don’t think we’ve reached the stage where we need to cull friends and family just yet. Although if there are worthless wasters in your circle, you might want to consider getting a licence, and having them disposed of professionally.

**jabir** · 17-07-2019, 07:40 PM

Don't worry, Nature will step in with her own reminder that we're guests.

**SKkin** · 18-07-2019, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

according to statistics It should stabilize at 11 billion and perhaps decline after that,

Somebody in Georgia wanted it to be a little less than 11 billion...

One of the "Georgia Guidestones"

edit: you can see the remnants of the paint someone threw on that one.

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 19-07-2019, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

Somebody in Georgia wanted it to be a little less than 11 billion...

.

He should start by killing him/herself.

**SKkin** · 19-07-2019, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

He should start by killing him/herself.

True...

I'm down with the "avoid petty laws and useless officials" line though.

**thailazer** · 19-07-2019, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

Don't worry, Nature will step in with her own reminder that we're guests.

Likely some virus will cross a boundary and find a new propagation method. We haven't had a good plague lately! Then I keep reading how farmed fish cannot compete with the world's fisheries which are depleting at a steady rate. Nature is certainly in control on this one, not us humans.

**pescator** · 19-07-2019, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Luigi

Well, at least they're thankful and settle in well.

The female interviewer claims that Denmark has even stricter regulations when it comes to immigrants and refers to "smykkeloven" Jewellery Act.

Yeah, it is a great deterrent. All in all has 17.000 pounds been confiscated since the implementation af the act some 3 years ago - and absolutely no jewellery.

The worst of the worst are without any comparison the somalis. Lying, thieving, unemployed, violent rapists. With an IQ a little below that of a hamster.
The only thing they are really good at is reproducing..... Supplying offspring in alarming numbers and when they become of age, they follow their parents proud traditons.

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