Quite.Originally Posted by kmart
And that's the part that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Ah yes the Kurds, he did indeed, and our warlords knew roughly how much he used, which they deducted from roughly what they knew he had, added roughly what they thought he topped up, and deducted a bit for wastage and depletion to arrive at a balance above zero. That was the easy bit. The rest was politics, massage and spin sprinkled with a few juicy fibs, for cause enough to infect Iraq with freedom and democracy. Job well done, been quite stable since, just like Libya.
Iraq did have WMD's. It was the Americans who sold them to them.
Just not enough left to do any real military damage, and certainly not a threat to us in the Gulf let alone the US.
The pretext for the war was a joke, but if you think Saddam didn't have the materials and capability to make chemical weapons, think again. It's not that difficult.
Having said that, it was his previous use of chemical weapons that made the fairy story easier to swallow.
Headworx, you nutter, let's try a bit of logic for you, since you seem to be missing that skill
how people faith related to actually being intelligent and believing in conspiracies? So believing in God means you must be stupid and incapable of critical thinking? did you know that the greatest philosophers and mathematicians in our civilization were god believers, so are you saying they were too dumb to know?
Second how did you come to the great conclusion that people faith means they are credulous to stupid theories. I mean you obviously don't believe in God, and yet your fell for fairy tales about WMD promoted by Pentagon lunatics looking for a fight to steal the resources of a foreigner country in the worst scenario, or simply because one foreigner bad leader "wanted to kill his daddy" as the best scenario.
Now tell me again, genius, you are not the fool and idiot that can be easily manipulated
No, logic and being able to use lateral thinking to think things thru (without wearing a tin hat or believing what some random nutters would have me believe) has never been a problem. Hence my disbelief in things like the Bible and most conspiracy theories. The JFK thing for example, it's not something I've ever really thought too deeply about or gone looking for information on but from what I know the conspiracy theories on this *might* be on to something because to put something like that together *could* only involve one or two people who could keep their mouths shut forever, and one rifle.
Must have missed the part where I fell for the fairy tales about WMD so can you quote that for me . I do remember that all unfolding and knew - like everyone else - that America was going to invade Iraq with or without a "Coalition" and any excuse would do. If they couldn't find an excuse, they'd have still gone in anyway. So it was absolutely NO surprise to me when that entire conspiracy theory was exposed, world leaders were apologizing, and the structure of the cover-up (or fuck-up if that's what you want to call it) was exposed in detail. But, we'll just have to believe everyone involved in something like 9/11, and there would have been scores of people involved to put something like that together, has managed to avoid talking or being found out
I'm no genius, but I'm not some gullible idiot who believes everything that's available for public consumption either. For example with my knowledge of certain things and terminology, I could start a page or make a Youtube video today outlining how the 2004 Tsunami was caused by explosives placed into an oil well off the coast of Indonesia by the Israeli's insurance companies who wanted the existing companies to go broke paying out so they could take over. With all sorts of fancy technical data to back it up and a professional presentation, it would go viral. Totally ludicrous of course, but there WOULD be people who'd believe it. People just like you.
Anyway.. Anyone want to join the Illuminati, then? Don't have to be named Rothschild, Rockefeller, Bush, Hapsberg, Windsor etc, or have gone to Yale University. No skull-bones / pedophilia experience necessary..
Here you go: https://www.illuminatiofficial.org/j...inati-members/
so in your American "logic", a few ludicrous theories out there simply means they are all bad and it can't happen. And to keep a real event secret you only need 2 people. I mean you decided all that by yourself
did you know the existence of death camps during WW2 was considered 'conspiracy theory', British and American officials would not believe they exist, I guess they were only 2 people in those camps to keep such a thing secret
and even after war, and after the footage we got to see, some would still not believe in them. I mean to this day, some will still question them. Are you also one of them?
Victims who returned wouldn't speak about what happened, because they thought nobody would believe them. It took some time before the general population could accept fully such an horrible crime. You are one of the fool, like Harry, who would at the time dismiss any footage or testimonies about those events, and claim such a big secret couldn't be kept for so many years
and what about all those wonderful things on Wikileaks, exposing the US dirty little secrets, I guess they never happened in your world, worst, it was only 2 people that kept all those US secrets for so long
Typical American gullible fool
^They didn't bomb them because they had assets on the ground, like Ford assembly plants. (Ford actually sued the US Govt for bomb damage to his factories)
Allegedly, concentration camp prisoners were engaged as forced labour for a few US companies over there.
https://corpwatch.org/article/ford-nazi-war-efforts
https://dogandlemon.com/sites/default/files/cars_nazis.pdf
Last edited by kmart; 11-06-2019 at 03:05 PM.
the truth is, like in Germany during the WW2, governments can keep dangerous secret from their population, and if you think it doesn't happen today, then you are as much a fool as the germans were when rumours about death camps surfaced and were dismissed as garbage or impossible by the like of silly Harry and gullibe Headworx
Always question your government story lines when certain events or scandals happen, and all motives for going to war
911 story doesn't add up, doesn't mean the conspiracies are telling the truth, they just point out at blatant discrepancies
FFS this is my last post in this thread, debating shit like this with a brain dead Bukakke target is time I'm not prepared to waste.
For starters, I did know the Death Camps of WWII were *conspiracy theory* material at one time in history but it's categorically impossible for anyone to deny they existed since the day they were liberated, the exceptions being total fucking whack-jobs who aren't believing a word of it because their Governments said it's true - which is irony at its very best. Many of the buildings are still standing today, and countless thousands of people who were directly involved from both sides of the fence have given overwhelming evidence of exactly what went on in them. Chances of any of it being untrue?. ZERO.
Now we look at the evidence of 9/11 being a *conspiracy theory* and the certified Engineer / Project Manager in me starts to think about the mechanics and logistics of what it would have taken to do something like that, putting aside the moral issues of murdering a few thousand of your innocent countrymen. To start you'd need the consultations of about a dozen structural Engineers before finding the most common opinions (they'd vary greatly) and deciding to run with that, then you'd need TONS of explosives and det's which tend to be tightly controlled inventories in places like America so getting it would be almost impossible and not leaving a paper-trail completely impossible. Then you'd need to get these TONS of explosives into the building and rigged to dozens of places the public would not have access to, in a building with tight security, thousands of public coming/going every hour, and cameras everywhere. What were they doing, carrying it in fucking lunch boxes with 2kg in each one and all going completely un-noticed as they entered the roofs between floors and strapped explosives, detonators, and remote firing devices to load-bearing structures?. Then the timing of getting planes to hit each tower to mask the detonations woul...
...wait, aren't there also *conspiracy theories* within *conspiracy theories* that there were no planes and what we all saw on live tv and later on countless cell-phone video's were all just holograms? .
It's all just way too fucking ridiculous to continue this before even getting to the amount of people/equipment/planning that would be needed to even attempt something like this without anything as minuscule as an anonymous tip getting out to bring the whole thing down before it even got started, so I'll just say when overwhelming and indisputable evidence on the scale of Death Camps is presented to the public about 9/11 I'll admit I'm wrong and you're not just some fucking imbecile who'd believe shit was clay if someone posted that on the internet. Till such time, I'll pray for you.
what is so ridiculous is that the Engineer in you doesn't know everything that could have happened behind the scenes, simply because you weren't there
with enough resources and men with enough motivations, you will be surprised what can be accomplished
but you prefer to turn a blind eye to "engineering" discrepancies, so you are not much of an engineer at the end
Last edited by Dragonfly; 11-06-2019 at 06:37 PM.
The whole thing about 9/11 for me wasn't the Twin Towers. It was the World Trade Center #7 building, that also fell down. These are the only 3 steel-structure buildings that have ever collapsed due to fire. The Twin towers were struck by planes, okay; but the #7 building was not. Just hit by debris and 'caught fire'. First time this has ever happened..
All fire-fighters on the ground noticed rivers of molten steel running along the floor ("like a foundry") after the collapse. And large traces of nano-thermite in the air and on the ground. (Thermite is an oxidizing agent used in welding to raise temperatures enough to melt steel; nano-thermite is an explosive version of this material). Fire by itself does not cause steel to melt. Thermite also heats the air around it considerably, survivors were badly burned by innocuous looking "smoke" in the air. The engineer in me calls bullshit on this official version of events.
The paranoid-conspiracist in me remembers Daddy Bush's famous "New World Order" speech on 9/11 in 1990. 11 years before this event. (Twin spires are powerful freemasonry symbols).
Surely just coincidence.?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-my...tc-seven/15201
Last edited by kmart; 11-06-2019 at 05:10 PM.
That's bollocks.All fire-fighters on the ground noticed rivers of molten steel running along the floor ("like a foundry") after the collapse.
That's bollocks.First time this has ever happened..
That's bollocks.large traces of nano-thermite in the air and on the ground.
That's bollocks.survivors were badly burned by innocuous looking "smoke" in the air.
It doesn't need to.Fire by itself does not cause steel to melt.
First true thing you've said you fucking whackjob.The paranoid-conspiracist in me
globalresearch.ca
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
True. And it takes people with a sense of proportion, like myself and Harry, posting in the various 9/11 threads, to put idiots like ENT and Albert in their place....and to admit to some admittedly odd discrepancies. Not building 7 though...the collapse of that was well documented.
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