Thread: Has Democracy been replaced with Idiotcracy ?

Originally Posted by Norton

No. Uninformed, ignorant voters have voted since the first vote on December 15, 1788.
Only difference now is 24 hour news and the internet make us more aware of it.

Mencken saw it coming in 1920:

The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.


The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

^ That is precisely why the EC was created to keep morons like Drumpf out of the white house.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ That is precisely why the EC was created to keep morons like Drumpf out of the white house.

That only worked when most of the people in power were decent human beings as opposed to modern Republicans.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That only worked when most of the people in power were decent human beings as opposed to modern Republicans.

This is true and another reason the EC should be abolished.

there need to be some simple means testing

maybe institute a poll tax too, to help defray the cost of free drugs and free sex nationwide for everybody!

Originally Posted by Texpat

I realise that simple minds are easily amused, but out of curiosity which part of what I said do you disagree with? You do not think voters should be able to identify themselves, or you dont think they should have a cursory understanding of the issues they are voting ?

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

For instance , I believe every voter need to have some ID to identify themselves by while voting,If one cannot make the effort, for whatever reason , to go to the DMV and get an ID then IMO that person is likely not to have made the effort to become familiar with the issues he/she is voting on.

That is great and all but it is used as a way to suppress votes. For example in Alabama they passed a voter ID law requiring state ID. Then they closed all the DMV offices in black majority counties. Many elderly blacks who no longer drive and had no way to get across the state to one of the few DMV offices left in the state to renew their ID. This is the devious types of tactic that the right employ's to suppress votes. Besides there is no real widespread voter fraud in this country. Voter suppression happens far more often as we saw in the last election.

You need ID to do thousands of things in the U.S. Why a person should be allowed to vote without identifying himself/herself is pure idiocy. I agree with you on that point, Bucky. But your intelligence test will have the lefties HOWLING! It's funny. Watch them squirm.

Buns is way off base about voter suppression. Go to these places and ask the poor, elderly blacks if they have a driver's license. The answer is always, yes. Ask them if they have identification, the answer is always yes, dumbass, how could I survive without? ID is required for everything. Except voting. Crazy, desperate logic at work right there.

American lefties are always quick to point to places abroad and say how much better their hospitals, prisons, social services are. Ask a foreigner from virtually ANY country, including all the worst shitholes in the world, if they can vote in an election without proving who they are and that they are eligible to vote. The answer is "no fcuking way."

Desperate.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Buns is way off base about voter suppression

Of course it I am. That is what all you right wing bullshit artists want everyone to believe.

There is a whole thread full of gerrymandering and voter suppression

right here;

https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...-decision.html

Pull your head out of your ass.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Go to these places and ask the poor, elderly blacks if they have a driver's license. The answer is always, yes. Ask them if they have identification, the answer is always yes, dumbass, how could I survive without?

Got a link? I bet you don't.

Surely people require some sort of ID to get their food stamps or whatever benefits the lower end get as cant imagine the government just hands out money to the unemployed with no checks. So surely if people have ID to get benefits then they have ID to vote?

Originally Posted by bsnub

That is great and all but it is used as a way to suppress votes. For example in Alabama they passed a voter ID law requiring state ID. Then they closed all the DMV offices in black majority counties. Many elderly blacks who no longer drive and had no way to get across the state to one of the few DMV offices left in the state to renew their ID. This is the devious types of tactic that the right employ's to suppress votes. Besides there is no real widespread voter fraud in this country. Voter suppression happens far more often as we saw in the last election.

Then the problem is not ID but voter suppression and the techniques you described above that I am aware of and agree with you need to be eliminated
As part of vote reform I would include a bipartisan certification board,perhaps with members from other states.
Was it in North Carolina that a congressional vote was not certified because of allegations of voter suppression? and if I remember correctly it has being nullified and will be re-voted.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Surely people require some sort of ID to get their food stamps or whatever benefits the lower end get as cant imagine the government just hands out money to the unemployed with no checks. So surely if people have ID to get benefits then they have ID to vote?

You would think so, but ... no. Lefties cry foul everytime the subject comes up because they have dead people voting, people voting multiple times, and non citizens voting. A voter ID is, you guessed it, RACIST!

Originally Posted by Texpat

Lefties cry foul everytime the subject comes up because they have dead people voting, people voting multiple times, and non citizens voting. A voter ID is, you guessed it, RACIST!

I can't believe people are actually stupid enough to still be repeating that Trumpian lie.

Well you learn something everyday - I didn't know you did not need ID to vote in the US. Quite frankly that is utterly ridiculous.

Shocking, isn't it? This bucket of hogwash from the American Civil Liberties Union webpage:

Voter ID laws deprive many voters of their right to vote, reduce participation, and stand in direct opposition to our country’s trend of including more Americans in the democratic process. Many Americans do not have one of the forms of identification states acceptable for voting. These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. Such voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet

The ALCU is a lefty defense organization that mostly peddles racist hate and division. Everything is a race issue. Sound familiar? You need ID to buy beer, to drive a car, to sell lemonade on the street, to cut hair, to buy a lotto ticket -- but not to vote. Third world! Everyone's got an ID card, but forcing voters to show it is somehow RACIST! Democrats are shameless!

Originally Posted by Texpat

peddles racist hate and division. Everything is a race issue. Sound familiar?

Yes it does:

Originally Posted by Texpat

...wetbacks...niggers...beaners...

Originally Posted by Texpat

Shocking, isn't it? This bucket of hogwash from the American Civil Liberties Union webpage:



https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet

The ALCU is a lefty defense organization that mostly peddles racist hate and division. Everything is a race issue. Sound familiar? You need ID to buy beer, to drive a car, to sell lemonade on the street, to cut hair, to buy a lotto ticket -- but not to vote. Third world! Everyone's got an ID card, but forcing voters to show it is somehow RACIST! Democrats are shameless!

Funny how there has been ruling after ruling showing how Republicans use these manufactured laws to try and suppress votes.

Let's face it, if you had your way, only old white trumpanzees would get the vote, eh texprat?

Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States of America despite voter ID laws, not because of them. Lefties need these ridiculous rules (ID-less voting) to keep it close.

He lost the popular vote and it wasn’t even close and the idea that was due to voter fraud is a lie he peddled to sooth his ego and is repeated by useful idiots... oh.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States of America despite voter ID laws, not because of them. Lefties need these ridiculous rules (ID-less voting) to keep it close.

If you google voter fraud, guess which party tried to perpetrate it?

Go on, have a wild guess, you have a 50/50 chance of getting it.

No clues now.

There will be a new House election in North Carolina’s Ninth Congressional District, after the state elections board ruled Thursday that a bizarre ballot tampering scheme had tainted the basic fairness of the November vote.
The new election would start with a new primary election, under a recently passed state law, to determine the Democratic and Republican candidates. On Election Day, Republican Mark Harris led Democrat Dan McCready by fewer than 1,000 votes, but his win was never certified by the state after allegations of electoral misconduct became public. The timing for the new elections will be announced soon.
Over the past four days, state investigators laid out in detail an “unlawful,” “coordinated,” and well-funded plot to tamper with absentee ballots in a US House election that remained uncalled more than three months after Election Day — finally bringing some clarity to one of the strangest election scandals in recent memory.
State investigators established their theory of the case — that a Republican operative, Leslie McCrae Dowless, directed a coordinated scheme to unlawfully collect, falsely witness, and otherwise tamper with absentee ballots — and workers who say they had assisted him in the scheme delivered damning testimony describing their activities. Dowless himself refused to testify, on the advice of his lawyer.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-nc-9-election

Can anyone just walk into a US polling station and cast a vote without showing any form of ID? How do they validate their age and eligibility to vote, and are cold callers required at least to state their name and/or address/dob or are these also privacy invasions? What is to prevent anyone from casting multiple votes? Are you fcuking seriarse?

Sorry, doesn't make sense even in a mad world, I call bollix!

Did 400k people really conspire to fake 6 moon landings?

Originally Posted by jabir

Can anyone just walk into a US polling station and cast a vote without showing any form of ID? How do they validate their age and eligibility to vote, and are cold callers required at least to state their name and/or address/dob or are these also privacy invasions? What is to prevent anyone from casting multiple votes? Are you fcuking seriarse?

Voter ID fraud is negligible. The reason Republicans try and use it to stop people voting is because they can make up arbitrary rules like what colour it has to be, whether or not they can read the signature, basically whether or not the person is black or a Democrat. They move voting centres or close them, they shut down services where people can get photo ids, they pull any dirty trick they can.

Now North Carolina, those Republicans should be in jail.

Everyone should be able to vote with any valid photo ID, people should be registered to vote with their biometrics if they want to.

Republicans are vehemently opposed to this because they know they've already lost the demographics.

Originally Posted by Texpat

And yes, any manner of foreign douchebag or underage or deceased stand-in or double voter or fugitive or etc etc end up voting every election cycle.

When you swallow lies and propaganda is it whole or do you break them up and have them with milk?