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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Manny, you have completely confused the issues.

    The question raised is about the ability of a 15 year old to make conscious decisions.
    To understand right and wrong under the cultural context of her society.

    YOU decided to bring the age of consent into the argument to justify your viewpoint.

    If the girl was raped (in GB) then the age of consent would be a defining issue.
    But she wasn't and she didn't. She married a man, a Dutch National in another country more then a decade older.
    It is what it is.

    Hugh Cow is correct, you're hanging onto a strawman argument which doesn't wash.
    It's neither valid, nor applicable. It has no legal application (as the GB Gov't has established) nor moral application.

    You can keep pissing into the wind if you wish, but there very few in the debate standing behind you.

    Just saying like.
    No David, I don't think you're following a couple of divergant dialogues that are occurring. Nor do I think you or Hugh understand what a strawman argument is.
    I brought the age of consent into it because it is a yardstick, a point of reference when it comes to the discussion of how old a girl can be to be blamed or to be called a victim. On this thread there seems to be a double standard. On the one hand a girl (white, in Rotherham) under the age of consent is considered to be not able to make mature decisions and is thus a victim, while on the other hand a girl (brown and groomed to ISIS mentality) of a similar age is considered to be old enough to make life-changing decisions and thus must face the consequences.



    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    You can keep pissing into the wind if you wish, but there very few in the debate standing behind you.
    Who is it, Norton...Nev..? That has the tagline to the effect of, "if you find yourself agreeing with the majority, it's time to reflect"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    No David, I don't think you're following a couple of divergant dialogues that are occurring. Nor do I think you or Hugh understand what a strawman argument is.
    I brought the age of consent into it because it is a yardstick, a point of reference when it comes to the discussion of how old a girl can be to be blamed or to be called a victim. On this thread there seems to be a double standard.
    Actually, I'm probably one of the few people who can actually understand exactly what the strawman argument is and the context of it in a legal discussion.

    I have a business degree and part of that education was the concept of a strawman.
    Indeed, as Uni students we had a 'moot court', supervised by Solicitors on the very subject.

    As for 'age of consent into it because it is a yardstick' ... yep, that's valid, but the argument is far outweighed by the multiple of other examples of varying degrees of the ability of a 15 year old to make conscious decisions. I outlined them in an earlier post.

    Manny ... you are still pissing into the wind ... just saying like.

    Even the government of GB agree. And, at the end of the day, that opinion, and her legal status is all that matters.
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by wazoo View Post
    I see myself as being of mixed race
    What has that to do with anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Who is it, Norton...Nev..? That has the tagline to the effect of, "if you find yourself agreeing with the majority, it's time to reflect"
    Not me.

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    Let me frame this so you and your legal wisdom and business degree understand the discussion, in tiny steps;
    A boy of 10 years of age is convinced by a lollipop and manipulating words to suck a molester's cock. He is a victim.
    A girl of 13 years of age is convinced by a bit of money and manipulating words to have sex. She is a victim.
    A girl of 15 years of age in Rotherham is convinced by money and manipulating words to have sex. She' a victim.
    A girl of 14 years of age is convinced by a groomer that Allah needs her to lay on her back and spread her legs. She must face the consequences of her choice.
    A girl of 20 years of age is convinced by a manipulator that Allah needs her to lay on her back and spread her legs. She must face the consequences of her choice.

    Of those scenarios, only the last one do I agree there is little victimhood. But the second last one is what is going on here.

    Driving a car and society's judgement of at what age one can do so is actually the strawman.

    Sorry, directed at David's last post, ^^. Thought I'd quoted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Not me.
    Sorry. But whoever's tagline it is, it's a good one. So no bad, eh?

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    BBC News at 3pm says the government believe her to have retained Bangladeshi citizenship. Therefore they can remove her British citizenship. The one thing the government can't do is make her stateless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    BBC News at 3pm says the government believe her to have retained Bangladeshi citizenship. Therefore they can remove her British citizenship. The one thing the government can't do is make her stateless.
    That's good news. I assume it's because her mother is Bangladeshi and there's a Bangladeshi jus sanguinis law.
    This will still stand to set an example. Bangladesh or Brighton, if you change your mind?

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    I think there should be a cooling off period for foreign nationals to relinquish their first country passports, say 15 year and that way we can ensure we are able to legally remove them and their British citizenship, although indiscriminately handing out passports in the manner the UK Govt has over the past 20 years hasn't helped.

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    ^^^ The BBC report I read said she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship (through her mother) but not that she had actually received it or even claimed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    ^^^ The BBC report I read said she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship (through her mother) but not that she had actually received it or even claimed it.
    Well through her parents she has the opportunity....nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Let me frame this so you and your legal wisdom and business degree understand the discussion, in tiny steps;
    A boy of 10 years of age is convinced by a lollipop and manipulating words to suck a molester's cock. He is a victim.
    A girl of 13 years of age is convinced by a bit of money and manipulating words to have sex. She is a victim.
    A girl of 15 years of age in Rotherham is convinced by money and manipulating words to have sex. She' a victim.
    A girl of 14 years of age is convinced by a groomer that Allah needs her to lay on her back and spread her legs. She must face the consequences of her choice.
    A girl of 20 years of age is convinced by a manipulator that Allah needs her to lay on her back and spread her legs. She must face the consequences of her choice.

    Of those scenarios, only the last one do I agree there is little victimhood. But the second last one is what is going on here.

    Driving a car and society's judgement of at what age one can do so is actually the strawman.

    Sorry, directed at David's last post, ^^. Thought I'd quoted it.
    You don't have to worry, the family will win their case in court and the girl will be allowed to return and be given huge compensation. The tories have a track record of losing this type of case ....they don't care anyway as it's taxpayers money not theirs, and it's only meant to control the media to distract and appease the Brexiteers from Brexcrement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    directed at David's last post
    Oi ... what happened to my reply?

    https://teakdoor.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=189853

    I said nothing inappropriate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Oi ... what happened to my reply?
    post #128? It's still there...

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    You replied to my post 131? I wish I'd seen it, and I'm sure you said nothing worthy of instant deletion. Perhaps a glitch at your end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    ^^^ The BBC report I read said she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship (through her mother) but not that she had actually received it or even claimed it.
    Javid's quote that I heard said he would revoke her citizenship, tailing off with "if it is lawful to do so." Not unlike other glorious leaders, ours tend to say what they believe people want to hear, then do the research later by which time new stuff has come along to divert attention elsewhere.

    Interesting scenario is she's stripped of legal right to return, joins a boat of illegals, announces herself on some beach and is championed to fcuk gov brains for the next ten years.

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    I;m sure she would be far happier living in an Islamic paradise like Bangladesh where the benefits of burka wearing and sharia are to be had. We have thousands of people like her on the anti terrorist watch list already, probably including her extremist father, we don't want the burden of any more

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    What are the benefits of burka wearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    What are the benefits of burka wearing?
    Less chance of thrush.

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    The nasty little rag headed whore got what she wanted.

    So good that the shit hole Engerland grew a pair for once.

    Fookin lurve it eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    So good that the shit hole Engerland grew a pair for once.
    About time Australia also grew a pair .

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
    What are the benefits of burka wearing?
    Ya don't have to buy make-up. Obvious really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Even if they do strip her of her British citizenship, the child will still be considered British (British by descent) because at Birth, the child's mother had British ciizenship.

    Not it quite true

    you can only give British citizenship by descent to a child born outside the uk if one parent was born in the Uk and that parent had 2 British born parents

    hence why they will only accept your long birth certificate when applying for first UK passport outside the UK for a child!

    Different levels of Britishness?
    will not put up wiv the "Nanny state" so don't push it on me.

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