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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    No US troops marching on Caracas?


    So disappointing. Hey... did you just make up the whole story about the US invasion? It's just your fantasy, isn't it? I'm beginning to think this isn't an invasion, or a coup or anything of the sort...
    I am glad you are beginning to think, its about time!
    Now that you are beginning to think , think about invasion by proxy. have you ever heard of proxy wars????
    Let other do your dirty work . Guaido is looking for a job, hire the boy. He dont do a good job? plenty of other waiting for their turn.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Still no coup, no invasion.

    TRUMP on the brain buckaroo? It shows.

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    Venezuela - Journalists Doubt Guaidó's Legitimacy - Regime Change Plans Continue


    "On February 23 the U.S. created a 'humanitarian aid' stunt at the border between Colombia and Venezuela. The stunt ended in a riot during which the supporters of the self declared 'president' Guaidó burned the trucks that where supposed to transport the 'aid'. Even the New York Times had to admit that.

    The riots also marked the day that Guaidó lost the legal argument he had used to make himself 'interim president'.

    Guaido also lost his original legal position. He claimed the presidency on January 23 under this paragraph of article 233 of the Venezuelan constitution:

    When an elected President becomes permanently unavailable to serve prior to his inauguration, a new election by universal suffrage and direct ballot shall be held within 30 consecutive days. Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the President of the National Assembly shall take charge of the Presidency of the Republic.

    That the "elected President becomes permanently unavailable" was never the case to begin with. But if article 233 would apply Guaido would have had 30 days to hold new elections. The 30 days are over and Guaido did not even call for elections to be held. He thereby defied the exact same paragraph of the constitution that his (false) claim to the presidency is based on.

    The hapless coup plotters in Washington DC were finally put on notice that the issue creates a legal problem for them. During a March 15 press briefing Elliott Abrams, the U.S. Special Representative for Venezuela, was asked about the issue:

    QUESTION: [C]ould you explain to us the article under which Mr. Guaido declared himself president? It is said that it has expired last month. Could you explain that to us? What is the --

    MR ABRAMS: As to the Venezuelan constitution, the National Assembly has passed a resolution that states that that 30-day period of interim presidency will not start ending or counting until the day Nicolas Maduro leaves power. So the 30 days doesn’t start now, it starts after Maduro. And they – that’s a resolution of the National Assembly.

    A resolution of the National Assembly, which the Supreme Court of Venezuela holds in contempt over the seating illegally elected persons, can change the country's constitution? That does not sound convincing to me. The journalists in the briefing were equally curious of how the rules could be changed like that during the ongoing game:

    Q: When did they – they did that after he --

    A: They did that – this is roughly a month ago. We could try to find the date for you.

    Q: When he was – when he was – took the mantle of interim president, that wasn’t there.

    A: Yes, when – that’s correct. And so people --

    Q: Can you do that ex post facto like that?

    A: When people ask a question how do --

    Q: That seems to be like saying I was elected for four years to be president, and then two years in you change the rules so that your term didn’t start – hasn’t even started yet. How does that happen?

    A: Well, you don’t get a vote because you’re not in the National Assembly.

    Q: Well, you don’t. You’re not in the National Assembly either.

    Q: If it matters, does the U.S. view that as constitutional under their system?

    A: Yes. I mean, we’re taking the – the National Assembly is the only legitimate democratic institution left in Venezuela, and their interpretation of the constitution, as you know, is that as of the date of this alleged term for Maduro, the presidency is vacant. But they have also said that that 30-day period starts when Maduro goes.

    Q: So Juan Guaido is the interim president of an interim that doesn’t exist yet?

    A: The 30-day end to his interim presidency starts counting. Because he’s not in power, that’s the problem. Maduro is still there. So they have decided that they will count that from when he actually is in power and Maduro’s gone. I think it’s logical.

    Q: So then he really isn’t interim president, then?

    A: He is interim president, but he’s not --

    Q: With no power.

    A: -- able to exercise the powers of the office because Maduro still is there.

    Q: So their interpretation is that until and unless he actually has the power to run the country, he’s not actually the interim president?

    A: No. Their interpretation is that the constitution requires a 30-day interim period, but it – those 30 days should not be counted while Maduro is still there exercising the powers of his former office.

    Here is a video of the exchange. (Abrams seems to be lying about the alleged National Assembly resolution.)

    The legal argument Abrams produced lacks logic and clearly contradicts the wording of the constitution quoted above.


    1. The elected president has not become unavailable. Maduro was sworn in for his second term on January 10. If the underlying argument is that Maduro was illegally elected to his second term, Guaidó should have declared himself 'interim president' on the day Maduro's first term ended, January 10, not some random 13 days later.
    2. The constitution says that an election shall be held within 30 days after the elected president becomes unavailable. If the argument is that Maduro was illegally elected to his second term, the 30 days started on January 10. If the National Assembly changed that "roughly a month ago" it must have been after the time had run out.
    3. In the constitution the election within 30 days is the precondition for the existence of the 'interim president', not the other way around: "Pending election and inauguration of the new President, the President of the National Assembly shall take charge ..."


    With no election pending within 30 days there can be no 'interim president' - with power or without.

    The legal subterfuge Abrams is using would not convince any serious court. It is of course well known that Abram's has little regard for the law. He was convicted for lying to Congress in two cases. But the issue will matter.

    The U.S. seized Venezuelan assets, especially the Citgo refineries which are in financial trouble. The U.S. is trying to move all the valuable assets towards Guaidó to finance the next phased of its 'regime change' plan. Bondholders of Citgo will likely contest these impoundments and transfers of assets in court. There the argument Abrams made is not going to be a winning one.

    The first round of the U.S. 'regime change' change attempt in Venezuela failed but it is far from over. The State Department alone foresees to spend $500 million more on it:

    The Fiscal Year 2020 budget request includes funding to support democracy in Venezuela and provides the flexibility to make more funds available to support a democratic transition, including up to $500 million in transfer authority.

    The CIA and the Pentagon will have made much larger budget requests even while an invasion of Venezuela continues to be unlikely.

    In August last year so called Venezuelan army defectors attempted to kill Maduro with drones carrying explosives during a military ceremony. CNN talked with them. The men say they trained in Colombia and met at least three times with U.S. officials. It is likely that such assassination attempts, undoubtedly organized by the CIA, will continue.

    In preparation of the 'humanitarian aid' stunt the U.S. had asked Brazil to use military force to bring in the 'aid' into Venezuela and to allow a U.S. presence at the border. The far-right President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil supported that but the military of Brazil, which holds significant power in the cabinet, vetoed it (in Portuguese).

    Bosonaro is currently in Washington to meet President Trump. He also made an unusual visit to the CIA headquarter likely to review plans for future operations in Venezuela:

    A senior U.S. administration official briefing reporters on condition of anonymity, noted that Brazil has a close relationship with Venezuela’s military and may be able to serve as a go-between with the security forces that continue to support Maduro.
    ...
    “We have to sort Venezuela out,” Bolsonaro said. “We cannot leave them the way they are. We have to free the nation of Venezuela.”

    That a Brazilian President visits the CIA, the agency responsible for violent coups and brutal dictatorships in Latin American is disgusting. Many people in Brazil will dislike it. Supporting a CIA coup in a neighboring country is worse. It’s hard to sink any lower.

    The government of Venezuela is preparing to resists the next phase of the U.S. regime change attempt. It will export more of its oil to Russia which continues to be willing to pay for it.

    After the large electricity outage and other sabotage attempts the situation in Venezuela is back to normal. No one is starving even as prices are high.

    President Maduro asked his cabinet to resign. The new government and its tasks will be re-configured to resist better to U.S. pressure and the upcoming additional sanctions.

    This will be a long fight."


    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/03/venezuela-journalists-doubt-guaid%C3%B3s-legitimacy-regime-change-plans-continue.html#more


    https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2019/03/290416.htm


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    Who will go bust first, Venezuelan producers of crude or ameristani refiners of Venezuelan crude?

    Falling gasoline crack spreads hit Gulf Coast refiners

    https://www.chron.com/business/energ...#photo-8912030

    Toxic Chemical Inferno Threatens Houston Area As Black Plume Extends For Miles


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-19/toxic-chemical-inferno-threatens-houston-area-black-plume-extends-miles

    Venezuelan Heavy Crude Critical to Market Balance?

    https://btuanalytics.com/venezuelan-heavy-crude/


    Gulf Coast refiners fear loss of Venezuelan oil

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bus...l-11735499.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Who will go bust first, Venezuelan producers of crude or ameristani refiners of Venezuelan crude?

    Falling gasoline crack spreads hit Gulf Coast refiners

    https://www.chron.com/business/energ...#photo-8912030

    Toxic Chemical Inferno Threatens Houston Area As Black Plume Extends For Miles


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-19/toxic-chemical-inferno-threatens-houston-area-black-plume-extends-miles

    Venezuelan Heavy Crude Critical to Market Balance?

    https://btuanalytics.com/venezuelan-heavy-crude/


    Gulf Coast refiners fear loss of Venezuelan oil

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bus...l-11735499.php
    Most of your information is out of date (2017?) and you mention a tank fire at Houston - if they can't store the stuff, why does it matter where the product comes from exactly?

    I think you're trying to pretend that the sanctions will hurt US refiners. Unfortunately, because you don't know what you're talking about as usual, you're wrong.


    The U.S. sanctions on Venezuela’s oil industry and state oil firm PDVSA are unlikely to have a significant impact on the refinery runs of the U.S. refiners, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) said in an analysis this week.

    U.S. imports of crude oil from Venezuela have been falling in recent years, and U.S. refiners have been replacing heavy crude from Venezuela from heavy crude grades from other sources, the EIA said.

    <snip>

    Out of the 14 U.S. refineries that imported crude from Venezuela last year—12 of which in the Gulf Coast—imports in January-November declined by 129,000 bpd compared with the same period in 2017. While imports from Venezuela declined, imports from Canada and Mexico to these refineries rose by 113,000 bpd and 48,000 bpd, respectively, from 2017 levels, the EIA has estimated.
    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...-Refiners.html

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    Thank you for your and one sources opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Thank you for your and one sources opinion.
    Any of the information in there is easily verified, and more to the point it is current information, not two years old.

    Which is why I opened a news thread, because you lot spouting a load of unsupported rubbish in speakers corner is all a bit pointless really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Which is why I opened a news thread
    and its name sounds much better...

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    No invasion? No pew pew pew from the soldiers? No rat-a-tat-a-tat from the helo gunships?

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    ^One might consider the stealing of Venezuela's bank deposits and gold bars as an actor war. As most understand ameristan has little chance of winning any war these days, utilising bullets and bombs, derived from whatever Hollywood can dream up

    Recent records indicate one military victory since WW1 and that was against the small, 350 km sq, Caribbean island of Grenada. Some say the island was defended by 25 policemen/teachers.

    All 10,000+ ameristani involved, those in the deep, mid west, underground bunker, cleaning staff, the 21at bomber wing - 45 B52s, the two CBGs, the on board lunch menu writers in Dallas and those aboard the nuclear armed hunter killer sub periscope polishers were awarded a special medal, allegedly


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    Exclusive: U.S. threatens to derail meeting of Latam lender if China bars Venezuela


    "WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Thursday threatened to pull out of the annual meeting of the Inter-American Development Bank in China next week if Beijing refuses to allow a representative of Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido to attend.

    The Washington-based IADB, the biggest lender to Latin America, voted last week to replace Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s board representative with Harvard economist Ricardo Hausmann, who is backed by Guaido.


    Several sources familiar with the situation told Reuters that China - one of the Venezuelan government’s few remaining international allies - had proposed not inviting representatives from either the Maduro or Guaido camps to “de-politicize” the meeting.


    Discussions to try to resolve the issue are ongoing among IADB member countries, and a final decision has not yet been taken, the sources said. China’s embassy in DC was not immediately available to comment on the issue.


    But a senior official in President Donald Trump’s administration - which has backed Guaido as Venezuela’s legitimate ruler - said the United States and its regional allies would “pull quorum” from the meeting in Chengdu if Hausmann was excluded.


    The move likely would derail the meetings, which bring together finance and development ministers from the lender’s 48 member countries.
    “China’s unwillingness to recognize and provide a visa to Hausmann is a breach of long-established Inter-American Development Bank protocols and procedures,” the U.S. official told Reuters.


    “If China refuses to recognize and provide Hausmann a visa, the United States and its regional partners will pull quorum on the annual meeting,” the official added.


    It is the first time the IADB is holding its annual meeting in China, which has become a major player in Latin America and has poured more than $50 billion into Venezuela over the past decade in oil-for-loan agreements.


    With relations between Washington and Beijing marred by an acrimonious trade dispute, U.S. officials have expressed concern in recent months at China’s growing influence in Latin America - a region Washington has long regarded as its backyard.


    The U.S. Treasury’s top economic diplomat, David Malpass, last year urged the IADB to reconsider its decision to mark its 60th anniversary in China, saying the gathering should be held in the Americas.


    Guaido, who heads Venezuela’s national assembly, invoked the constitution to assume the interim presidency in January, saying Maduro’s election was not legitimate. Most Western countries, including the United States, have backed Guaido as Venezuela’s head of state.

    Maduro, who still has the support of Venezuela’s military, has clung to power with the support of Russia, China and Cuba.


    The diplomatic tug-of-war over who is Venezuela’s legitimate leader has become an uneasy issue for global institutions like the IADB, the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, which like to be seen as above the political fray.


    The IMF said earlier on Thursday it was waiting for guidance from its member countries on whether to recognize Guaido. An IMF board meeting last week was delayed to allow for consultations by some European countries with their capitals on the matter.


    The United States is the IADB’s largest member country and has said that billions of dollars of financing from multilateral banks will be needed to rebuild Venezuela’s economy, which has been crippled by hyperinflation, food and medicine shortages and a collapse of the country’s power grid.


    Washington has imposed sanctions on Venezuela’s oil sector and announced asset freezes and visa bans targeting top officials in Maduro’s government.


    Maduro has shown no signs that he is ready to step down, according to U.S. officials. Washington on Thursday condemned the detention of Guaido’s chief of staff in a pre-dawn raid."

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...-idUSKCN1R22LS

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    After all, comforting is to know there has been no meddling in Venezuela "crisis".

    Perhaps only the Russian meddling as usually, however currently busy this weekend with meddling in Thai election...

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    Over $30 Bln Stolen From Venezuela ‘at Trump’s Request’ - Cabinet Minister
    24.3.2019The statement comes a few days after Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro accused the US government of stealing $5 billion from the South American country – money that Maduro said has been earmarked for the manufacture of medicines.

    Venezuelan Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez has lambasted the country’s opposition for pocketing a billion dollars in government funds held in US banks.

    “They have resorted to stealing the assets that Venezuela holds in different banks. This money is being confiscated at the request of the [US President Donald] Trump administration. Over $30 billion has been stolen in the past couple of months”, he was cited as saying by the state channel VTV.

    The statement followed President Nicolas Maduro blaming Washington for stealing from Venezuela “$5 billion allocated for the purchase of the main substances for the production of medicine in Venezuela and its delivery to hospital networks, pharmacies, and ambulance networks".

    He insisted that US President Donald Trump was responsible for "the most criminal measure" against the Venezuelan people in order to subsequently say that the US authorities were ready to provide humanitarian assistance to the South American country.

    Earlier this month, Maduro accused the Venezuelan opposition and US authorities of being eager to start a war for natural resources.

    https://sputniknews.com/latam/201903...bank-accounts/

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    This thread is a laugh a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    This thread is a laugh a minute.
    Agreed, why is it not in the doghouse?

    Anyone suffering from insomnia is advised to check out one of Oh Oh’s cut and paste marathons. Guaranteed to induce sleep in the first paragraphs.

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    Any "action" on the invasion front today, captain? Are all the sentinels posted? Keep us informed.

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    Not yet sir, we're still busy wrapping up "victories" on multiple fronts.


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    ‘Stop the evil empire’: Roger Waters says ‘the coup’ in Venezuela has failed (VIDEO)
    25.3.2019



    The attempt by foreign powers to impose regime change in Venezuela has failed, ex-Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters has said, adding that final victory over the “evil empire” was on the horizon.

    In a short video posted to Twitter, the famed English rock star and activist expressed disgust with those who supported Venezuela’s self-declared interim president Juan Guaido and his attempt to push President Nicolas Maduro out of office. “We were right about #RUSSIAGATE we’re right about VENEZUELA,” he wrote in a message accompanying the video clip, likely in reference to Robert Mueller’s special investigation finding no “collusion” between US President Donald Trump and the Kremlin.

    To see a great experiment in Bolivarian socialism taking place in a great country like Venezuela, and to watch the evil empire destroy it, is sickening. It’s failed. The coup failed. Guaido can go back to being a thug on the street, or whatever it was that he did.

    He mocked the Western assertion that Maduro was a coldhearted dictator, noting that in a real totalitarian state, Guaido would have been detained and executed. Instead, he’s allowed to travel freely between Venezuela and Colombia.

    “Maybe Maduro needs to take lessons in evil dictatorship from some of the people supported by the United States of America,” the rock star joked.

    He ended his video with a short message to his fans.

    We are strong, and we are many, and we will win this battle in the end. Stop the evil empire.

    https://www.rt.com/news/454677-roger...enezuela-coup/

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    Give me Waters over that kunt Branson any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Roger Waters says ‘the coup’ in Venezuela has failed
    Yup, been a long time now, and the Venezuelans aren't having it.

    Should rename the thread
    "Failed American coup in Venezuela"

    Bout right.

    Nice one

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    Well this could get interesting.
    The Russians have arrived to support moduro.
    What will drumpf say to his hero Putin?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-and-strategy

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    ^It's not so unusual. Many US servicemen, even National Guards, are helping with revolutions anywhere in the world, e.g. :

    National guard pilot killed in Ukraine jet crash was native of Fresno, authorities say
    https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local...220159545.html

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    Even in Haiti they are helping:
    Why were former members of the U.S. military driving around Haiti heavily armed?
    19.2.2019
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nat...226475635.html

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    Afghanis need to watch their back also,it seems. Blue on Blue,again.

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    As Pravda.ru said, an associate professor at the Department of Political Science and Sociology of the Russian Economic University named after G.V. Plekhanov, Ph.D. (Political Science), military political analyst Alexander Perendzhiev , the main task of sending a contingent "to show that Russia supports President Maduro, is set up for military-technical cooperation with this particular power."

    Here we are going along the path we have taken in Syria, the expert noted.

    "We did not allow Asad to be crushed, and here we say that we will not allow Maduro to be crushed, as we have been given to do in relation to Milosevic, Saddam and Gaddafi. We are showing that we are not afraid and will resist."

    https://military.pravda.ru/1410842-jornalist/

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