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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Here I take up one of the most insidious and most effective instruments of creating regime change to the advantage of select Western interests, most directly tied to the mega-banks of Wall Street and the military industrial complex those banks control
    ...so, code for Jews then...I wonder if his citation page includes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...

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    ^ so you're saying this is not true?

    one of the most insidious and most effective instruments of creating regime change to the advantage of select Western interests, most directly tied to the mega-banks of Wall Street and the military industrial complex those banks control

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    ...I'm saying it shades the truth and seeds it with sinister Jewish odors...all of which has been done before and will be done again as long as conspiracy theorists have the means to connect with others of similar persuasion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    I'm saying it shades the truth and seeds it with sinister Jewish odors
    Are you sure it's not you doing that?

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    ...It's hard to be sure of anything these days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Who was behind(or the author of) the 1947 partitioning of India? Pakis?
    Religious violence between muslims and Hindus were regular occurrences after the Muslim invasions that started in the 8th century in what is now Pakistan and in later periods where it really began in earnest from the 11 century through to about the 15th century where muslim invaders killed or converted the prevailing religions of the time, predominantly Hindu and Buddhist but anyone who was considered the infidel. Pre partition India was racked with religious violence. Especially between Hindus and Muslims. One could argue the root of the problem was the muslim invaders. Certainly without them the problem like Pakistan and Bangla Desh, would not exist. To lay the blame at partition shows a very poor knowledge of Indian history. I am the first to admit I have no time for Muslims as I doubt there is one country in the world where muslims have invaded or migrated that has been an overall benefit, more over generally a hindrance to the local population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    To lay the blame at partition shows a very poor knowledge of Indian history.
    My bad...Maybe I'm reading the wrong rags. If the partition had not taken place, would there be the same amount of "wobblies and pakis" in the UK today?

    'Everything changed': readers' stories of India's partition
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ndia-partition

    The partition explains one of the waves of Indian immigration to the UK and America in the late 1950s early 1960s. Even when we came to the UK, our parents didn’t talk about their lives before the partition. Now, I feel I have nothing to offer my son and daughter of my parents’ family stories.

    But still, nothing I've read...and no one here, has yet answered my question. Where or from whom did the most pressure come from for said partition?



    And just how da fcuk did this turn into a Paki/Indian thing? My post #15 bump to this thread was about China and the Uyghurs.



    edit: Oh yeah...because Uyghurs are also Muslim.
    Last edited by SKkin; 02-12-2018 at 05:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engdahl
    in Western media.
    The recent chorus of attacks on Beijing over treatment of its Muslim minority in
    Xinjiang conveniently ignores the relevant background to why Beijing is very
    alarmed about its Muslim Uyghurs.
    Case in point:

    Muslim woman describes torture and beatings in China detention camp: ‘I begged them to kill me’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8656396.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Case in point:

    Muslim woman describes torture and beatings in China detention camp: ‘I begged them to kill me’
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8656396.html
    At least the Chinese deal with religious minorities fairly. The Christian minorities get the same lack of rights as the Muslims do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    At least the Chinese deal with religious minorities fairly. The Christian minorities get the same lack of rights as the Muslims do.
    Did you watch any of the video at that link?

    It reminded me a lot of the theatrics of the Hill & Knowlton produced "Kuwaiti babies thrown from incubators" proceedings* here in the US. Another contribution from the Prez. GHW Bush time period.


    When contemplating war, beware of babies in incubators

    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.html

    excerpt:

    The Kuwait government had to find a way to "sell the war" to the American public, who were interested, but not deeply involved. So under the auspices of a group called Citizen for a Free Kuwait, which was really the Kuwait government in exile (the group received almost $12 million from the Kuwaiti government, and only $17,000 from others, according to author John R. MacArthur) the American PR firm Hill & Knowlton was hired for $10.7 million to devise a campaign to win American support for the war. Craig Fuller, the firm's president and COO, had been then-President George Bush's chief of staff when the senior Bush has served as vice president under Ronald Reagan. The move made a lot of sense after all, access to power is everything in Washington and the Hill & Knowlton people had lots of that.

    It's wasn't an easy sell. After all, Kuwait was hardly a "freedom-loving land." Only a few weeks before the invasion, Amnesty International accused the Kuwaiti government of jailing dozens of dissidents and torturing them without trial. In an effort to spruce up the Kuwait image, the company organized Kuwait Information Day on 20 college campuses, a national day of prayer for Kuwait, distributed thousands of "Free Kuwait" bumper stickers, and other similar traditional PR ventures. But none of it was working very well. American public support remained lukewarm the first two months.

    According to MacArthur's book "Second Front," the first mention of babies being removed from incubators appeared in the Sept. 5 edition of the London Daily Telegraph. The paper ran a claim by the exiled Kuwait housing minister that, "babies in the premature unit of one of the hospitals had been removed from their incubators, so that these, too, could be carried off." Two days later, the LA Times carried a Reuter's story that quoted an American (first name only) who said, among other things, that babies were being taken from incubators, although she herself had not seen it happen.

    From there it began to pick up steam, as one media unit after another started repeating the story without checking it. Sensing an opening, the Hill & Knowlton people jumped on the story.

    *The key moment occurred on October 10, when a young woman named Nayirah appeared in front of a congressional committee. She told the committee, "I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where 15 babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators and left the babies on the cold floor to die."

    Hill & Knowlton immediately faxed details of her speech to newsrooms across the country, according to CBC's Fifth Estate's documentary. The effect was electric. The babies in incubator stories became a lead item in newspapers, and on radio and TV all over the US.

    It is interesting that no one not the congressmen in the hearing, or any journalist present bothered to find out the identity of the young woman. She was the daughter of Kuwait's ambassador to the United States, and actually hadn't seen the "atrocities" she described take place. (When later confronted with the lack of evidence for her claims, the young woman said that she hadn't been in the hospital herself, but that a friend who had been there had told her about it. )

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    ^Kuwaiti incubators, mobile chemical laboratories, Novichok, meddling, sarin/chlorine gasing, land grabbing, maritime crisis, you name it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Kuwaiti incubators







    Quote Originally Posted by CSMonitor
    It is interesting that no one not the congressmen in the hearing, or any journalist present bothered to find out the identity of the young woman. She was the daughter of Kuwait's ambassador to the United States, and actually hadn't seen the "atrocities" she described take place. (When later confronted with the lack of evidence for her claims, the young woman said that she hadn't been in the hospital herself, but that a friend who had been there had told her about it. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    It is interesting that no one – not the congressmen in the hearing, or any journalist present – bothered to find out the identity of the young woman.
    Do you truly think that somebody - a congressman - would dare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^Kuwaiti incubators, mobile chemical laboratories, Novichok, meddling, sarin/chlorine gasing, land grabbing, maritime crisis, you name it...




    http://carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    sarin/chlorine gasing
    That Time CNN Staged A Fake Interview With A Syrian Child For War Propaganda



    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/t...a-beb0142b8176



    The Trumped-Up Syria-Sarin Case
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/0...ia-sarin-case/

    read the comments in second link as well...interesting
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    I'd love to find a new, hardcover first edition of this in my stocking on Xmas morning. I have a paperback copy already...somewhere.



    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0137981732/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

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    It started with the USS Maine in Havana

    At 9:40 on the evening of February 15, 1898, Maine sank in Havana Harbor after suffering a massive explosion. While McKinley urged patience and did not declare that Spain had caused the explosion, the deaths of 250 out of 355[58] sailors on board focused American attention.


    The coal used in Maine was bituminous coal, which is known for releasing firedamp, a gas that is prone to spontaneous explosions. There is stronger evidence that the explosion of Maine was caused by an internal coal fire which ignited the magazines. This was a likely cause of the explosion, rather than the initial hypothesis of a mine.
    As a result Spain lost its control over the remains of its overseas empire -- Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines Islands, Guam, and other islands.

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    I'm not a great conspiracy theorist however, WMDs in Iraq and the USS liberty cover up would suggest incidents are only used when there is a political advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    and the USS liberty cover up
    Oh don't even get me started on that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    It started with the USS Maine in Havana
    "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." - attributed to William Randolph Hearst.

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    An offering from Off Guardian on democracy and freedom. I'm quoting three paragraphs from it that ring especially true...to me.

    The Mock Democracy
    https://off-guardian.org/2018/12/28/the-mock-democracy/


    Democracy and freedom. Two words that are charged with unheard-of social promises and that can release tremendous energies of change to achieve them. Today, hardly more than a shadow remains of the hopes originally associated with them. What happened? Never before have two words, to which such passionate hopes were attached, been emptied of their original meaning in such a socially far-reaching way. They have been falsified, abused, and turned against those whose thoughts and actions are inspired by them.

    Democracy today really means an elected oligarchy of economic and political elites, in which central areas of society, especially the economy, are fundamentally removed from any democratic control and accountability; at the same time, large parts of the social organization of our own life lie outside the democratic sphere. And freedom today means above all the freedom of the economically powerful.

    With this Orwellian reinterpretation, these two words now have a special place in the endless dictionary of falsified words throughout history. With the poisoning of these two words, our hopes for a more humane society and a containment of violent ways of solving things are confused, clouded, broken and almost wiped out from the collective memory. The loss of the civilizing dreams associated with these two concepts makes it hard for us today to politically articulate an attractive, decent alternative to the prevailing power relations, or even worse, think of any at all.
    Full piece at the link.

    edit: comments there are interesting as well...

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