Thread: Muslim couple denied Swiss citizenship over handshake refusal.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Last week's ruling on clean beaches was right up there with the 'Skin for Lampshades' days.

You're getting quite 'Ru Paul' these days.

Eventually even you will realise that one size does not fit all young man.

I'd think that was deep if I didn't know better.

But I do appreciate the not entirely inaccurate appellation.

spot on there switch.

the permanently victimised and the endlessly outraged.

its becoming tiresome.


Scholar under Glasgow fatwa Paigham Mustafa defends Boris Johnson's burqa remarks

August 19 2018, 12:01am,

The Sunday Times


Mustafa is under a fatwa for his interpretation of Islam.

STUART WALLACE

An Islamic scholar in Scotland, who lives under a fatwa, has suggested that Muslims should leave the country if they feel uncomfortable with free speech.

Paigham Mustafa, a father of three, believes the teachings of the Koran are widely misinterpreted, leading many Muslims to feel excluded from British society. He has spoken out in the wake of Boris Johnson’s description of women in the burqa as looking like “bank robbers” and “letter boxes”.

The comments provoked anger from the Muslim Council of Britain, which accused Johnson of “pandering to the far right”. The body also warned of an underbelly of Islamophobia within the Conservative Party, which has launched an investigation into Johnson’s comments.

Mustafa, 59, believes the backlash is disproportionate and points out that the burqa is not a traditional form of Islamic dress. “I can understand the view of Muslim traditionalists but, personally, I do not think Johnson’s comments were racist or offensive,” he said. “The burqa is not mentioned in the Koran, nor is it Islamic. His words could have been more carefully chosen, but I welcome his input to the debate.”

Referring to Muslims who were offended by Johnson’s comments, Mustafa said: “Perhaps if they feel threatened or uncomfortable they should move to another country that accommodates their beliefs because their faith conflicts not only with British values, but in many ways is not supported by the Koran.”

Mustafa’s comments are likely to provoke anger among Muslim leaders, but the scholar, who has co-founded a think tank to improve integration of Muslims into British society, believes many feel excluded and isolated by their dress code and “backward-looking medieval interpretations of the Koran”.

He called Islamic teachings under sharia law on divorce, halal food and temporary marriages “detrimental to society and not compatible with life in the UK”.

Mustafa said that selling alcohol is not forbidden by the Koran but is in Hadith — an influential record of the traditions and sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammad — and that many Muslim shopkeepers in Britain sell liquor.

In 2001, Glasgow’s Central Mosque issued a fatwa against Mustafa after he wrote a series of articles claiming that practices such as the death penalty for apostates, stoning for adultery, and female genital mutilation — all of which are carried out in some Muslim countries — had no basis in the Koran. The decree, which is still in force, accused him of “satanic thoughts” and called on Muslims to “terminate these elements and to protect the youth from this temptation”.

Despite fears for his safety, Mustafa has pledged to step up his efforts to question religious teaching with a new think tank to reverse “Muslim social self-exclusion” and ensure greater integration for the community in the UK.

The new organisation, the Oxford Institute for British Islam, says it will “not be beholden” to medieval theological interpretations, misogynistic patriarchal biases, archaic political baggage, outmoded cultural norms, irrelevant tribal customs or bygone practices from “distant ancestral homelands”.

The think tank will publish a quarterly magazine and series of position papers, the first of which will be on the burqa.

Originally Posted by taxexile

spot on there switch.

the permanently victimised and the endlessly outraged.

its becoming tiresome.

Apparently the precious culturally sensitive tide of enlightened leftist liberal globalists is moving to the right, right next to Donald Trump.
But don't tell Mr Dimmer he might have a 'Rachel Madcow'.

We've all known for a long time that Islam as we know it is incompatible with western culture.

The main problem I see is modern western culture is incompatible with humanity and all life on the planet.

An entirely new cultural paradigm (a blend of the very ancient and the very new) is mandated for survival of all life.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Freedom of religion is a worldwide human right, protected by the sword for centuries. Why relinquish it now?

where in the world does it transcend the laws of a country ? catholic priests are now finding that it is not their religious right to suck off altar boys

Originally Posted by baldrick

catholic priests are now finding that it is not their religious right to suck off altar boys

I suspect there is no religious guidance allowing such things in the catholic rules. But not being of that clique I am not knowledgable, maybe there is an expert within the TD flock.

interpretation of religious writings allows a lot of latitude

Freedom from religion should be a worldwide human right,

Fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Neverna

It seems an odd thing to refuse citizenship over.

You surely could have heard of UK citizenship few times refused to old Fayed, almost a potential F-I-L of Diana (however refused long before the Diana's affair). Despite owning a huge property in UK, also the royal dept store Harrod's.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

You surely could have heard of UK citizenship few times refused to old Fayed, almost a potential F-I-L of Diana (however refused long before the Diana's affair). Despite owning a huge property in UK, also the royal dept store Harrod's.

What were the stated reasons for refusal?

Ask the Queen...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Ask the Queen...

As if she had anything to do with it.

21 October 1999
...today a judge ruled that [Home Secretary] Mr Straw had not acted unfairly or with bias when he decided Mr Al Fayed was not of the necessary "good character" to be granted citizenship, following his involvement in the cash-for-questions political scandal and the break-in to the Harrods safe-deposit box kept by his late business rival, Tiny Rowland.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...al-738287.html

Nothing to do with handshakes, I'm pleased to see.

Originally Posted by Neverna

As if she had anything to do with it.

According to the rumors she did had.
Then, it could be thought (as a conspiracy theory) that as a revanche his son Dodi had seduced Diana on purpose...

Why would she?

He bought her trinkets, lots of them. Abandoned by her "Royal Family" she had joined, she sold what many women do, her companionship.