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    Off Guardian anoher point of view

    A sample from the contrarians, rebranding AQIME , ISIL ISIS Schmersh ! Daesh , Langley pick n mix
    from the heirs of Goebbels, Djerzhinsky and Lavrentia Beria

    https://off-guardian.org/category/media-fakery/

    Terror Incognita: ‘Demistifying’ the Fog of War


    by Sean Stinson, August 28, 2017 “The Muslim terrorist apparatus was created by US intelligence as a political weapon” – National security adviser to the Carter administration, Zbigniew Brzezinski “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an intensified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the United States.” – Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” – H.L. Mencken Corporate propaganda is flying so thick and fast lately it’s dizzying just keeping up with it. For regular readers of the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian, Vladimir Putin is the new Fuhrer

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    your brain is as empty as a eunuchs underpants.
    from brief encounters unexpurgated version

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    For regular readers of the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian, Vladimir Putin is the new Fuhrer
    What a ridiculous comment.

    Is it yours or from the source?

    Your OP is such a botch job that it's hard to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    What a ridiculous comment
    For once we see lie to lie, Stinson is a lazy hack, however Robin was a smart Cookie and handily died

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    I didn't share his tips or beliefs but he came across as an honest Foreignn Secretary a rarity
    Lingering questions about Robin Cook's death

    I would rather not be having these thoughts but, as I am, I reckon it's time to commit them to writing. This extended entry builds upon
    'Robin Cook, the Database and Secrets', which itself derived from 'Warning to Labour Politicians' (and the thread began with 'John Prescott and National Security'). It raises questions about Robin Cook's death, ones I've not seen addressed elsewhere. In life, I was never Cooky's biggest fan. But if there were the slightest possibility that his death was not naturally caused, then the man deserves better than for the official version to be believed without question.
    It's been about 9 months since the passing of Robin Cook MP. I have suggested
    previously that, one month before he died, Cook may have started to divulge confidential information, despite having signed the Official Secrets Act. His sudden and unexpected death might have saved MI6/MI5/DIS/whomever from having to resolve the problem of how to stop him doing it again.

    The recent Prescott affair had
    alerted me to the strange possibility that undercover MI5 officers or agents might have been working as diary secretaries for some senior Labour Party politicians. And that brought, reluctantly, Gaynor Regan to mind; she had become Robin Cook's diary secretary around 1994, the year he had become shadow foreign secretary.

    Such diary secretaries - Tracey Temple, too - would have to be vetted and to have signed the Official Secrets Act. Once my mind began to question whether Gaynor Regan really had been all that she had appeared to be, then other questions about the circumstances of Robin Cook's death followed, ones that I had discounted at the time because, after all, he was with her when he died and it was all a terrible tragedy.
    But. for example, how did he die? The
    post mortem took two days "to establish whether the Livingston MP had died from an illness or injuries sustained in the fall", and the cause of death was eventually given as 'hypertensive heart disease'. No mention was made of any injuries to the head and neck. Yet most early press reports indicated that, after having had a heart attack, he had fallen down a ridge and had broken his neck.

    The spokesman for RAF Kinloss air rescue centre
    said that Robin Cook had been winched up to the helicopter from "... close to the summit. That part of Ben Stack is very steep, monster steep and very rocky." I reckon it'd be a bit surprising if there were no head or neck injuries at all if a body fell, as a dead-weight, down that rocky ridge. But the official story was sudden death by heart disease.


    When did he die? There are conflicting accounts, not helped by the fact that the announcement of his death was delayed by three hours for family and friends to be informed. Officially, he was pronounced dead at 4.05pm, soon after being brought at the hospital in Inverness. But all reports said Gaynor and a fellow hill-walker gave Cook artificial resuscitation for 30-40 minutes, instructed via mobile phone, until the chopper arrived. I'm no medic, but if he needed resuscitating then he probably died not long after he collapsed, around 2.20pm, before even the emergency services were called.


    Who were the so-far unidentified group of walkers (or hunters(?)) who, we were told, came to Gaynor Cook's aid? If it's not an obvious question, what were they doing on Ben Stack? For,
    according to the landlady of Scourie Lodge, where the Cooks had spent their last night,

    "She was lucky another walker was in the area to be with her at such a time.
    "You could be on Ben Stack ninety times and not see a soul, so for someone to be within shouting distance and with a mobile phone was very fortunate."
    Indeed. Although most reports spoke of a 'group of walkers', in this Times article there was only one.

    Neither of the Cooks was carrying a mobile phone but Mrs Cook's cries for help were answered by a walker, who called the emergency services at about 2.23pm.
    Between them, Mrs Cook, 48, and the man, who has not been named, gave Mr Cook mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and chest compressions under the telephone guidance of Inverness ambulance staff, until rescuers arrived by Coastguard helicopter at 3.01pm.


    How come that heroic walker kept his anonymity? Did he, at least, give a statement to police? What about the party he belonged to, mentioned by the Sunday Times, the Herald and many others? I find it odd that no one in that group of walkers spoke to, or was spoken to by, anyone in the media or, as far as we know, the police. Was even their nationality ever revealed?

    Robin Cook chose an extremely remote place to die, far away from London, and the story was over before the press could send anyone to cover it. I doubt any journalist was sent to climb
    Ben Stack to see the place the former foreign secretary had died. (I haven't either, but I'm just a blogger in London.) Someone who has walked up Ben Stack described it thus:
    Although the walk doesn't cover much distance and can easily completed in half a day, there are a couple of ridges to be negotiated near, and at, the top.

    Presumably Robin Cook collapsed at that first ridge, before the summit. If he had been taken ill before they'd reached that narrow pass, it's unlikely he would have suffered any head or neck injuries [see photos of Ben Stack] when falling. So his collapse couldn't have occured at a more dangerous or inopportune place.
    Although Ben Stack is as remote as can be, it is strangely linked back to London, back to Westminster even, through its ownership.

    The mountain is situated within the extensive
    Reay Forest estate, which belongs to the hyper-rich Duke of Westminster. It's used for deer-stalking, shooting, and fishing, etc. The duke owns vast amounts of British land and is our wealthiest aristocrat by far. But he's also devoted much of his working life to the armed forces, in particular to the reservist Territorial Army, of which he is a Major-General and its most senior officer. He's been to Basra, Iraq, five times since the invasion. He currently serves as Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Reserves) at the Ministry of Defence. The ultimate insider.

    According to
    the MoD website:
    The military runs through the Duke of Westminster like the lettering in a stick of rock. His family has served in the Cheshire Yeomanry, since they founded it hundreds of years ago. His father, grandfather and great grandfather all wore the cap badge.
    The Duke, who is 53, divides his working day (and frequently the evenings) between his desk in Main Building [at the MoD] and his private office. He also spends as much time as he can visiting reserve units across the country and on operations all over the world.


    So, Robin Cook died on land owned by a senior MoD official. Given Cooky's views on the Iraq war, I really doubt he would have appreciated the irony.
    (One more curiosity about Ben Stack, which I'm almost sure is totally irrelevant but I'll mention it out of ignorance anyway. Someone who has walked up, photographed and written about Ben Stack
    finishes their account of it with this....
    The final oddity on the summit is a cairn with its own omnidirectional radio antenna.
    No, I don't know what an omnidirectional radio antenna is, either, but I'm curious that it's described as an oddity, so I thought I'd mention it anyway. If anyone can elucidate, please leave a comment.)
    After Robin Cook died, the local police released
    a statement: "As this would appear to be a medical matter, there is no further police involvement." "Appear to be"? Case closed, before it was even opened. A high-profile former foreign secretary, who had maybe started to spill official secrets, dies unexpectedly, maybe of a broken neck, on land owned by an MoD insider, with an unidentified man, or group, nearby, and the police decide not to get involved. Probably wise of them, just as I probably shouldn't be writing this down, and you probably shouldn't be reading it.
    P.S. [2006.05.19] Please see later entries: '
    Addenda to 'Lingering Questions...' and 'Robin Cook's Mobile Phone'.




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    Chuck this in the shithouse, it's mostly unreadable.

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    I remember watching TV live his funeral attended by a huge crowd of people of all walks of life and establishment. It had to be very painful to Tony Bliar that he could not attend because of his vacation...

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    And I had been following in that time the news about his death. (That time The Guardian and others were still not so deceptive - only later after the affairs with Assange, Glenn Greenwald and Snowden).

    All the circumstances around Cook's death were clearly very strange from the beginning. (Similarly as the death of dr. David Kelly).

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    why so big

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    sorry guys the fonts is always wrong colors and on this fiddly phone on SJ I hit wrong size, I hope edit is better

    Harry as an expert on shithouses I concur Cook Murrel Diana Kelly Seth Ricj Julian Ass angel if you CAUSE RIPPLES THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    “The Muslim terrorist apparatus was created by US intelligence as a political weapon” – National security adviser to the Carter administration, Zbigniew Brzezinski
    Fake news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Is it yours or from the source?
    It's from the OP's second link...a little longer excerpt.

    Corporate propaganda is flying so thick and fast lately it’s dizzying just keeping up with it. For regular readers of the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Guardian, Vladimir Putin is the new Fuhrer of American Nazism, while Kim Jong Un is the secret architect of a newly revamped Syrian ‘chemical weapons program’. Chinese hackers are suspected responsible for recent collisions involving American war ships, Venezuela has become an international pariah under the corrupt leadership of bus driver-cum-dictator Nicholas Maduro, and Russia is accused of trying to ‘redraw international borders’. Meanwhile troop deployment to Afghanistan has doubled and the mission of America’s 16 year long war has been re-defined from ‘nation building’ to simply ‘killing terrorists’.

    While J. Robert Oppenheimer’s gift to humanity may have placed the prospect of great power war officially off the table, so too it seems is the zero sum game of mutually assured destruction. With the recent departure of White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and key Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka, the US administration is now firmly under military control and US military presence is escalating across multiple theatres. A $600bn defence budget representing an 18% increase in military spending was passed in July, approved by 60% of house Democrats. The latter tidbit is by the way of course – it makes little difference on which side of the aisle you sit in American politics. The US barely wears a fig leaf of democracy. The dismissal of the fraud case brought against the DNC for stealing the presidential nomination from Sanders last year is ample evidence of this. Leaders are chosen over cigars in back rooms. It’s been that way since the uniquely underqualified Harry Truman secured the Democratic vice presidential nomination ahead of Henry Wallace in 1944, long before the advent of the internet or so-called ‘Russian hackers’.

    The elephant and the ass are equal in every way that matters, especially so since the fall of the Soviet Union. Western liberal democracy didn’t win the Cold War; fascism did. The end of dialectical materialism was the death knell for democracy. Flip a coin: Identitarian-environmentalism or conservative-libertarianism. If you’re lucky you might score a small victory for women’s equality, as long as those women don’t happen live in North Africa or Central Asia, or anywhere else the United States of Amnesia claims the sovereign right to bomb with impunity. The US has but one political party. It is the party of war, owned and controlled by finance.

    “The rich and powerful piss on us and the media tells us it’s raining”, so the saying goes. But it doesn’t take much to draw back the curtain and see the real machinations at work, most of which are really quite transparent.
    Another:

    Those still in denial may like to consider this question. Is there not a single a common denominator in the last 70 years of international armed conflict? Have US and NATO fingerprints not been left at the scene of almost every genocide? Rome conquered the world in ‘self-defence’, according to the historian Livy – a trope which we see repeated in the doctrine of pre-emptive war. Nowadays the premise is more likely to be R2P, genocide thinly veiled as humanitarian intervention. How long will we accept the lies of empire to justify its wars of aggression? They lied about Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Iraq, they lied about Libya, they lied about Syria, and now they are lying about North Korea, Venezuela, Ukraine, Iran, Russia, China and Pakistan.


    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
    I tend to agree with the entire column...and especially with what I underlined. Shocking, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    The US has but one political party. It is the party of war, owned and controlled by finance.
    Repeated ad nauseam by by you. We all know that they system is fucked but the idea of just disconnecting entirely as you have done is a stupid option with a lot for many of us to lose in the process to be frank that is what people like Putin as well as the oligarchs would love.

    There are very MASSIVE differences in the two parties.

    I personally care about a whole host of things that we stand to lose under Repubtard leadership. I personally would like friends of mine to be able to marry regardless of sexual orientation, the push for universal health care, protecting the environment, pushing to clean energy, fighting climate change. I could go on and on for hours. There is plenty to fight for.

    Yes a good old refreshing of the tree of liberty would be nice but I do not see that happening in the near future. I will continue to do my best as the little Dutch boy and stick my finger in the dike. (no pun intended TC )

    You however can push your conspiracy theory and stay disconnected. Fuck that shit.

    As par the course you will as usual not respond to my post.
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    Here's another worthwhile read...imo.

    Why the Neocons Hate Russia (even more than they hate everyone else)
    https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/02/...everyone-else/

    Thus, an American doesn’t need to be intelligent in order to build his or her career in ‘journalism’, on the basis of having previously served as a propagandist writing for non-profits that are mere fronts for NATO and for Israel, and which are fronts actually for America’s weapons-manufacturing firms, who need those wars in order to grow their profits. Such PR for front-organizations for U.S. firms such as Lockheed Martin, is excellent preparation for a successful career in American ‘journalism’. If a person is stupid, then it’s still necessary to be stupid in the right way, in order to succeed; and Ward is, and does.
    The core of America’s form of capitalism has come to be the U.S. aristocracy’s bipartisan, liberal and conservative, Democratic and Republican, form of capitalism, which isn’t merely fascist (which includes privatizing everything that can be privatized) but which is also imperialist (which means favoring the country’s perpetration of invasions and coups in order to expand that nation’s empire). The United States is now a globe-spanning empire, controlling not merely the aristocracies in a few banana republics such as Guatemala and Honduras, but also the aristocracies in richer countries such as France, Germany and UK, so as to extract from virtually the entire world — by means mainly of deception but also sometimes public threats and clearly coercive — unfair advantages for corporations that are within its borders, and against corporations that are headquartered in foreign countries. America’s billionaires — both the Democratic ones and the Republican ones — are 100% in favor of America’s conquering the world: this ideology is entirely bipartisan, in the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    As par the course you will as usual not respond to my post.
    Just like I said. Tinfoil hat boy knows that if he replies to my thread it totally destroys his point.

    *sigh*


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    Thanks, Rubba...
    Well intended, nonetheless.

    The usual dumbed-down suspects missing any real base substance and certainly the bigger picture.

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    ^ FOJ you utter moron. Have you ever made one post of substance on this forum?

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    Jeff's a bit sensitive at the moment. He's sending reds with nasty comments hither and thither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Jeff's a bit sensitive at the moment. He's sending reds with nasty comments hither and thither.
    Yes you are right about that. The snowflake crybaby just sent me a nasty one. He should spend more time cleaning his kitchen rather than slinging weightless repo threads.

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