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    Germaine Greer calls for rethink of 'the whole issue' of rape


    Germaine Greer is currently writing a book about the issue of rape

    Germaine Greer has taken aim at the "general fog of craziness about the whole rape issue", saying sentences are
    "excessive" and non-consensual sex is "practically universal in every long-standing relationship".

    The outspoken writer and academic also criticised the "misogynistic" treatment of people who bring rape
    allegations before a courtroom.

    Greer sparked widespread anger and condemnation earlier this year when she said most rape is just "bad sex"
    that should be punished by community service instead of jail.

    In an interview with RN's Saturday Extra, she again called for a rethink of the "crazy" punishments for rape.
    "It's between five and 10 [years' jail] in England, I think the average sentence in Australia is seven — that's huge,"

    "Do we really think that rape without excessive violence — I mean physical injury — is more serious than murder?"

    Greer, who has said she was raped as a teenager, said tough sentences could effectively mean fewer rape cases are
    successfully prosecuted.

    "One of the problems is by making the sentences heavier, you get a jury that is less and less likely to convict, because
    it's so serious," she said.

    Using the example of a person who no longer finds pleasure in having sex with their partner, Greer argued that we
    need to re-examine how we think about rape, as it's not always an act of violence.

    "It seems now that we're lining up for a war with men in which we're never satisfied," the Female Eunuch author said.

    "We want them put away for longer, we want them to be punished for what is actually not an unusual form of behaviour.

    "Non-consensual sex is common; it's possibly practically universal that in every long-standing relationship there have
    been occasions of non-consensual sex.

    "And the actual definition of rape is that."

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    Germaine Greer (/ɡrɪər/; born 29 January 1939)[1] is an Australian writer and public intellectual, regarded as one of the major voices of the second-wave feminist movement in the latter half of the 20th century.[2] She lives in the United Kingdom, where she has held academic positions, specializing in English literature, at the University of Warwick and Newnham College, Cambridge.
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    I cannot imagine being in a relationship where a partner says NO, but still having sex, unless you are role playing of course. Then you would need to use a safe word.
    If my partner yelled out Germaine Greer in the middle of a good rogering, I think I would be scarred for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    "Do we really think that rape without excessive violence — I mean physical injury — is more serious than murder?"
    She's right.
    It did strike me decades ago that rape sentences were disproportional to murder sentences.
    On top of Greer's arguments is the fact that sex itself is natural and women are equipped to have a penis inserted in them. Unconsensual sex is indeed a violation, but is it any more a violation and forced unpleasantness than, say, being waterboarded or Mum washing your mouth out with soap when you swore as a kid?
    Is male on male anal rape treated the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    "Non-consensual sex is common;
    Really? Where?

    Personally, I've never forced the issue on anyone(wife or former lovers). If they aren't or weren't interested, I'm not interested. Does that mean I'm not a "normal" male?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    If my partner yelled out Germaine Greer in the middle of a good rogering, I think I would be scarred for life.
    Never in need of any 'ardour dampening' techniques, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    Really? Where?

    Personally, I've never forced the issue on anyone(wife or former lovers). If they aren't or weren't interested, I'm not interested. Does that mean I'm not a "normal" male?
    I think "non-consensual" to the feminists includes sex with someone who is drunk or mentally incapacitated in any way.
    Just as, rightly so IMO, sex with a minor (say 15) is considered unconsensual even though she said yes... not mentally able to decide properly = non-consensual.

    I've had sex with drunk women. All consented at the time, but was it "of sound mind" consent? Probably not. In cases where I rooted a drunk GF, the consent was implied through our ongoing and historical sexual relationship, on top of the actual consent at the time. Am I a rapist?
    In the cases of a bar or party pick-up where there was no implied consent from historic consent but she consented by jumping into bed naked and said she wants it, the fact that she was drunk and thus impaired might mean in some people's eyes that I raped her.

    Has nobody ever stumbled home drunk and horny, jumped into bed with the GF/mrs and woken her with your penis inside her? Just asking as that is technically rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Has nobody ever stumbled home drunk and horny, jumped into bed with the GF/mrs and woken her with your penis inside her?



    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    I think "non-consensual" to the feminists includes sex with someone who is drunk or mentally incapacitated in any way.
    If that's the way they see it...I suppose that, from the past, could trip me up.


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    Surely you guys have a pile of pro-forma consent forms and biros ready beside your bed?

    It might be a good idea to carry some in your wallet, briefcase or fanny pack too.

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    “Has nobody ever stumbled home drunk and horny, jumped into bed with the GF/mrs and woken her with your penis inside her? Just asking as that is technically rape.”


    Falling asleep before finishing is not just rude, it’s so offensive, I can’t get my breath. You should be ashamed sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Surely you guys have a pile of pro-forma consent forms and biros ready beside your bed?
    Surely one gets a supply signed, for future use, prior to announcing the wedding date?

    If married consent is given at the ceremony. "Love, honour and obey". Love, the physical as well as the spiritual. Honour, to deliver on the wedding vows. Obey, self explanatory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    jumped into bed with the GF/mrs and woken her with your penis inside her?
    She might call out somebody else name. I tap on the shoulder and eye to eye contact, reduces that possibility.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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