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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    You questioned my statement regarding ameristani describing South America as it's property, to do with as it wishes (Monroe Doctrine) and ameristani's proven, public record of destabilising, assassinations and regime change in South America.
    I don't know how the hell you extrapolated that. My comment should have been obvious -- your continued use of "ameristani" has become painfully monotonous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Gets criticised for being a one trick pony.

    Accuses everyone else of being a one trick pony.

    You're just a broken record, and a bad one at that.



    https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...-block-reforms

    https://www.aei.org/publication/new-...itary-emerges/

    Interesting how you might seek out material that supports your base agenda, Harry....
    The fanciful pillar of the superior Anglo-American empire vs. worldwide bad guys. Of course.

    Eurocentric apologists and defenders can't be taken seriously as their illusions diminish any type of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Interesting how you might seek out material that supports your base agenda, Harry....
    The fanciful pillar of the superior Anglo-American empire vs. worldwide bad guys. Of course.

    Eurocentric apologists and defenders can't be taken seriously as their illusions diminish any type of reality.
    Corruption in the Venezuelan military is not the fault of anyone else Jeff.

    And it probably predates Chavez.

    It's just that him and his successor have put military officers in key political positions so that they won't upset the apple cart, and that's why the country is fucking bankrupt. They've all had their snouts in the same trough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    As AEI chronicled earlier this year, the military has actively engaged in narcotrafficking for years, turning Venezuela into a major transit hub for cocaine and other illicit products.
    Mega rich oil supplies and they're leaning on the coca

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Mega rich oil supplies and they're leaning on the coca
    Because of Chavez and Maduro, their oil production is in the shitter, and the price isn't helping.

    https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.ne...01&d2=20181231

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    ameristani's Monro Doctrine helped nobody except ameristan. Extractive rape of resources and people coupled with nvironmental/social/political disaster. They, ameristan, Japan and the European powers, did to same to the Chinese a century ago, but the winds of change are upon us.

    Some may be interested in this article showing the similarities of drugging societies in the past and now.

    Once China got off drugs: the link between opium and ‘liberal strongman’ Macron

    "The link between Chinese opium money and rich Western families and monarchies (Astor, Forbes, Kerry, Delano, Roosevelt, etc.) is already well-known, though it’s not publicised enough in the Mainstream Media.

    What is even less publicised is how in 2018 the drug trade creates a country – Columbia, Mexico, even Afghanistan, certainly the United States, etc. – which becomes so socially, culturally, financially and politically dysfunctional that the current neoliberal ideal of being anti-government starts to appear…rather sensible.

    And thus, neoliberalism wins converts among the 99% who should be promoting socialism, with its insistence on significant government control to promote their needs over those of the 1%."

    Much more at the free, non authorised, link:

    Once China got off drugs: the link between opium and ?liberal strongman? Macron | The Vineyard of the Saker




    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It is an extremely expensive, well respected analysis site with access to ex-intelligence officers around the globe, which has free content to encourage potential customers.
    I'm happy you have a source you are comfortable with.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    ^Some gases his citizens, some poisons his spies (as it was not enough that he hacked so many elections - his own as well), some shoots the misiles, some lie about their nukes, ...
    so some deal with coca...
    What's up next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    What is even less publicised is how in 2018 the drug trade creates a country – Columbia, Mexico, even Afghanistan, certainly the United States, etc. – which becomes so socially, culturally, financially and politically dysfunctional that the current neoliberal ideal of being anti-government starts to appear…rather sensible.

    link:

    Once China got off drugs: the link between opium and ?liberal strongman? Macron | The Vineyard of the Saker
    Fail. It's not Columbia, it is Colombia. The blogger and you both have issues with spelling the names of countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Because of Chavez and Maduro, their oil production is in the shitter, and the price isn't helping.
    Chavez re-natioanlized the oil industry to pay for all his social programs. Good idea on paper except he chased off all the o&g experts and had nobody to replace them.

    Great oppurtunity these days for China to step in and fix things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    Fail. It's not Columbia, it is Colombia. The blogger and you both have issues with spelling the names of countries.
    The minute you see "mainstream media" mentioned in a HoHo post, you know it's .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Chavez re-natioanlized the oil industry to pay for all his social programs. Good idea on paper except he chased off all the o&g experts and had nobody to replace them.

    Great oppurtunity these days for China to step in and fix things.
    Well that's the problem, you see.

    When Chavez pissed off the seppos by nationalising all of their assets, he ended up with only the Chinkies and Russkies to borrow money off.

    Thanks to him the country owes them a fortune - and they've come close to defaulting a couple of times.

    In fairness though, China can afford to keep giving them rope with which to hang themselves.

    Added:

    The driving motivation of Chinese investment and lending since 2000 has been an obsession with opening up new export markets and securing access to natural resources. China’s interests in gaining friends in the Western Hemisphere while securing access to oil overlapped with Venezuela’s interest in diversifying its customer base away from the United States.

    But that overlap of interests doesn’t mean China has ever offered any sort of discount on its loans. China lent at exorbitant rates to Venezuela. Now, China refuses to renegotiate those debts, even as the South American country’s economy and oil industry crater.


    From 2007 to 2014, China lent Venezuela $63 billion — 53 percent of all its lending to Latin America during this time. There was an important catch to this largesse; to
    guarantee repayment, Beijing insisted on being repaid in oil.

    With most lending agreed to when oil hovered at more than $100 a barrel, as it did for most of 2007-2014, it seemed a good deal for both sides. However, when oil dropped to close to $30 a barrel in January 2016, this caused Venezuela’s price tag for serving its debt to explode. To repay Beijing today, Venezuela must now ship two barrels of oil for every one it originally agreed to.
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/06/...-chinese-cash/
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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    It's not Columbia, it is Colombia.
    Wow unbelievable a miss spelt word , good catch there. There may be more trouble ahead than just a misspelt word. But you keep posting these so important items in Speakers Corner like a good little puppy. You add so much here.



    International Arbitration Tribunal Rules ConocoPhillips is Owed $2.04 Billion in its Dispute with PDVSA

    April 25, 2018

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    HOUSTON – ConocoPhillips (NYSE: COP) announced today that it is owed $2.04 billion from Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA) and two of its subsidiaries as a result of the decision of an international arbitration tribunal constituted under the rules of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC). The ruling arises out of ConocoPhillips’ contracts with those entities and is in response to the expropriation of ConocoPhillips’ investments in the Hamaca and Petrozuata heavy crude oil projects in Venezuela in 2007 and other pre-expropriation fiscal measures. PDVSA is Venezuela’s state-owned oil company.

    “We are pleased with the ICC tribunal’s decision,” said Janet Langford Carrig, senior vice president, Legal, general counsel and corporate secretary of ConocoPhillips. “The ruling upholds the contractual protections to which ConocoPhillips is entitled under the applicable agreements and acknowledges PDVSA’s independent contractual liability arising from the government of Venezuela’s unlawful and uncompensated expropriation of ConocoPhillips’ investments.”

    The ICC arbitration award is final and binding upon the parties. ConocoPhillips will pursue enforcement and seek financial recovery of its award to the full extent of the law."

    International Arbitration Tribunal Rules ConocoPhillips is Owed $2.04 Billion in its Dispute with PDVSA | ConocoPhillips

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    I don't think that's at the top of the Venezuelan peoples worry list.

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    You should be concerned. THE LORD and Uncle Xi are heavily invested in the country, as you've alluded to above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    You should be concerned. THE LORD and Uncle Xi are heavily invested in the country, as you've alluded to above.
    Why should I be concerned what THE TSAR and Uncle Xi do in Venezuela?

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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    your continued use of "ameristani" has become painfully monotonous.
    Oh dear. Am I bovvered?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Why should I be concerned what THE TSAR and Uncle Xi do in Venezuela?
    Read your own post #36, 3rd paragraph of your snippet. Are those loans backed by government assets, if so ...........

    In addition THE LORD loaned the Venezuela government moneys backed with certain assets. One wonders if the assets, claimed by Conoco, are potentially the same assets?

    The saga may enter further legal actions a new. Whose contract is superior to others?

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    How generous that US do not meddle in Venezuela election. They only announced (VPOTUS) new sanctions in order to help the poor population...

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Why should I be concerned what THE TSAR and Uncle Xi do in Venezuela?
    ...or anywhere else.

    But, that seems to be your ongoing [make-believe] narrative of concern - the traditional boogieman and more contemporary of the like.
    All the while, adopting an blind apologist and fanciful stance regarding the beloved and benevolent Anglo-American empire and the continence of their illusional destiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    ...or anywhere else.

    But, that seems to be your ongoing [make-believe] narrative of concern - the traditional boogieman and more contemporary of the like.
    All the while, adopting an blind apologist and fanciful stance regarding the beloved and benevolent Anglo-American empire and the continence of their illusional destiny.
    Jeff,

    As soon as the Iran sanctions were lifted, US corporations were in there like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

    Business is business you moron.

    The fact is that in this case Venezuela stole a load of US assets, the US got shirty, and the chinkies and russkies were in there like a rat up a drainpipe.

    However, little did they know that they were lending money to a bunch of people whose greed was only matched by their stupidity.

    It really has nothing to do with your dribbling nonsense.

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    The whole notion of US dominance in the Americas started with the Monroe doctrine and has remained in place with minor variation to this day.

    Another nation wants to interfere in politics in the Americas they will have to deal with the US. The US reserves exclusive rights to interfere in the nations of the "new world".
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    The whole notion of US dominance in the Americas started with the Monroe doctrine and has remained in place with minor variation to this day.

    Another nation wants to interfere in politics in the Americas they will have to deal with the US. The US reserves exclusive rights to interfere in the nations of the "new world".
    In this case it's the chinkies and the russkies interfering, and much like the US does when they fuck up, they are paying through the fucking nose for it.

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    Yep. Never worked out well for the US. No reason to believe the Russians and Chinese will do any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yep. Never worked out well for the US.
    the Us/world bank/imf all have influence in every country in the world.

    one may recall when thailand went under: got a loan from the imf, thailand pulled together as a country, donating money, limiting overseas travel, imports, etc. and thailand paid off the imf debt early.

    countries like venezuela who joined the game (oil) and then lose when oil prices go down and the weak corrupt society is left weak and falling apart.

    what can be said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
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    What is even less publicised is how in 2018 the drug trade creates a country – Columbia,
    Fail. It's not Columbia, it is Colombia
    thanks for the red, happy.

    and great contribution to the thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    However, little did they know that they were lending money
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    they are paying through the fucking nose for it.
    I suppose you have copies of the contracts and the assets attached to themm to share with us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    and then lose when oil prices go down
    One wonders who engineered such a thing.

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