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    European and Ameristani Car Manufacturers Increase their Chinese Investments.

    Volkswagen, partners to invest 15b euros in developing electric vehicles




    "CHANGCHUN - Volkswagen Group China and its joint-venture partners will invest 15 billion euros (about $18.3 billion) in developing new energy vehicles and automated driving by 2020.

    The company said Tuesday that it plans to roll out 15 new car models in China by 2020, and launch 40 new energy vehicle models for the Chinese market by the end of 2025.


    "As the world's biggest automotive market, China plays a prominent role across all Group brands. The strong bond with our joint ventures and business partners will remain," said Herbert Diess, the new chief executive officer (CEO) of Volkswagen.


    "We are accelerating to make mobility cleaner, safer and more intelligent to really improve people's lives. We will be starting local production of battery-electric cars in at least six factories by 2021 in China," he said.


    Meanwhile, Volkswagen and Chinese automaker Anhui Jianghuai Automobile Group Corp., Ltd. (JAC Motors) jointly released their first electric SUV, the SOL E20X, Tuesday, which will enter the market in the third quarter.


    Data showed that the company, along with two joint ventures -- SAIC Volkswagen and FAW-Volkswagen -- delivered 1.01 million automobiles to the Chinese mainland and Hong Kong in the first three months, up 13.4 percent year on year"

    Volkswagen, partners to invest 15b euros in developing electric vehicles - Chinadaily.com.cn
    Nissan to introduce 20 new electric models to China within five years




    "TIANJIN - Japanese automaker Nissan will launch 20 new electric vehicles (EVs) in China in the next five years, the company announced on Wednesday at the on-going Beijing International Automotive Exhibition.

    Jose Munoz, chairman of Nissan's China management committee,said that Nissan will open a new era of EVs in China, with products that are safer, more stable and offer a better customer experience.


    Nissan aims to become China's EV leader by delivering more than 20 electrified models over the next five years across the Nissan, Venucia, Infiniti and Dongfeng automobile brands, Munoz added.



    The company unveiled its first Made-in-China electric car for Chinese customers at the show. The Sylphy Zero Emission, with a drive range of 338 kilometers, will go on sale in the second half of this year, the company said.


    Nissan sold more than 1.5 million vehicles in China last year."

    Nissan to introduce 20 new electric models to China within five years - Chinadaily.com.cn

    Audi accelerates localization push with Chinese partner SAIC Motor

    "Luxury brand deciding which of its models to manufacture at Chinese base

    Volkswagen's premium arm Audi is in the process of deciding which of its models will be manufactured locally with its second Chinese partner SAIC Motor, and the final picks are to emerge within months, according to brand's China chief.


    Audi and SAIC Motor have been carrying out feasibility studies for models to be produced at SAIC Volkswagen, said Audi China President Joachim Wedler in an interview on Friday.


    The whole SAIC-Audi project is going forward as planned, he said.


    "Currently we are focusing on model planning. Planning on production and the sales network will come afterwards," Wedler said.
    Cars from SAIC Volkswagen will not hit the market until 2022, according to a deal reached with Audi's first Chinese partner, FAW Group.
    Wedler said the SAIC-Audi project will be one of the major driving forces of its mid-term development in China-a market where the premium brand has been the sales champion for 30 years in a row.


    Compared with secrecy around its more recent partnership, Audi has developed a much clearer roadmap with FAW and together they are localizing the production of six Audi models in the country.


    "Audi is celebrating its 30th anniversary in China this year," Wedler said.


    "Together with our partner FAW, we plan to more than double our local model portfolio in the next five years."


    That would include a number of sport utility vehicles and new energy cars, of which both segments are growing fast in China. Audi is also importing its flagship models as part of its efforts to further exploit the Chinese market."

    Audi accelerates localization push with Chinese partner SAIC Motor - Chinadaily.com.cn
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    Chinese buses find homes in France and Saudi Arabia.


    China's Yutong provides e-buses on electric bus line in France

    Xinhua | Updated: 2018-04-11 22:41

    Photo taken on April 10, 2018 shows a 100 percent electric coach manufactured by Yutong Group in Paris, France. The German intercity bus service company Flixbus said late Tuesday it had introduced its first long-distance electric bus line in France provided by the Chinese manufacturer Yutong. [Photo/Xinhua] PARIS - The German intercity bus service company Flixbus said late Tuesday it had introduced its first long-distance electric bus line in France provided by the Chinese manufacturer Yutong.


    Linking Paris and Amiens which are situated about 150 km apart, the electric coaches are able to go around 200 km without having to stop for charging.

    After about two hours of driving, the electric coaches will need four hours to fully recharge their batteries.


    Why choose the Chinese manufacturer? Because "Chinese coach models represent the latest progress in electric mobility," said Yvan Lefranc-Morin, Managing Director of Flixbus France.
    "These coaches, equipped with clean technologies of the Chinese manufacturer Yutong, are comfortable and without noise, assuring zero emission of CO2 and NOx," Philippe Lucas, a bus driver told Xinhua.
    French passengers will enjoy the first clean travel on April 12."




    'Made in China' e-buses to be used in world's 1st all-electric long-distance routes - Chinadaily.com.cnHefei busmaker bags $63.6m order in Saudi Arabia



    "A total of 800 buses started their engines in Hefei, Anhui province, on Tuesday morning, readying for export to Saudi Arabia.

    Produced by Anhui Ankai Automobile Co, an automaker headquartered in Hefei's Baohe district, the deal was concluded at a combined contract value of about 400 million yuan ($63.6 million).


    Anhui Jianghuai Automobile Group Corp, or JAC, a State-owned automaker also headquartered in Hefei, holds the largest stake in Ankai.


    The buses will be delivered to Saudi Arabia in two batches, with the first estimated to arrive in 10 days, according to Dai Maofang, president of Ankai, a publicly traded company listed on the Shanghai Stock Exchange.


    The deal is said to be the biggest export order of buses won by a Chinese automaker so far in 2018, according to Dai.



    Ankai entered Saudi Arabia in 2007. Its first major order came in 2011, a year when the company exported 3,000 school buses to the country. It was the largest export order of buses from China then, and also the largest bus export order for Saudi Arabia ever won by Chinese automakers."

    Hefei busmaker bags $63.6m order in Saudi Arabia - Chinadaily.com.cn
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    Do you have elecktrickery In your hovel Jeff?

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    No doubt that the Western big players in car business (GM, VW, etc.) has hampered the development of electrical cars that are much cheaper in their production and much simple in their maintenance and operation.

    However, once the Chinese are at the gates - as in many other businesses - they are getting very nervous, seeing how to keep on their position...

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    Why China Will Beat Tesla in the Electric Car Race

    From a cursory look at the recent news from Tesla, a casual observer could be forgiven for thinking that the dream of transitioning the world to electric vehicles has stalled. The Tesla brand is more closely associated with electric vehicles than any other, and in the past year the company has struggled to deliver the $35,000 Model 3. CEO and founder Elon Musk described the internal delays related to producing Tesla’s battery and an outside supplier’s falling behind as “production hell,” while customers vented on social media and the company declared a record third-quarter loss of more than $600 million.

    As Tesla scrambles to maintain its position as the world’s foremost electric-vehicle brand, traditional automakers in the U.S. and Europe have invested billions of dollars to advance the technology. And a slew of Chinese companies are churning out hundreds of thousands of electric vehicles a year.

    “The story is not just about Tesla anymore,” says John Gartner, an analyst at Navigant Research. “There’s an ecosystem.”

    The battle will determine which country dominates the global market for electric vehicles, which are forecast to be a third of all passenger vehicles on the road by 2040, up from less than 1% today, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Currently, China has the upper hand.

    “It’s clearly the case that China will lead the world in EV development,” William C. Ford Jr., the executive chairman of Ford Motor Co., said in Shanghai in December, according to the New York Times.

    In some ways, Tesla’s “production hell” helps explain why China is better situated to develop the electric vehicle of the future. Despite top design, engineering and marketing talent, Tesla has struggled with basic manufacturing. Automated processes have failed on the factory floor, and the company has struggled to secure the supply chain to operate on the scale it needs to produce a mass-market electric vehicle. Musk has taken responsibility for the delays while also downplaying their significance. “In the grand scheme of things, this is a relatively small shift,” he told investors in October.

    China has invested heavily in policies to develop its electric-vehicle industry. It has offered subsidies to buyers to the tune of $15,000 per vehicle, threatened to block automakers that don’t make electric vehicles from selling traditional cars and funded electric-vehicle infrastructure like charging stations across the country’s highway network. Earlier this month, China simply halted production of more than 500 models of heavily polluting cars. China is expected to spend some $60 billion in electric-vehicle subsidies in the half decade preceding 2020, according to a Financial Times analysis.

    That focus has helped foster a slew of Chinese automakers like BYD Auto, Great Wall Motor and Lifan Auto. Chinese automakers are expected to produce more than 4.5 million electric vehicles annually in 2020, compared with about a million from Tesla, according to data from the International Energy Agency.

    To date, Chinese electric vehicles have largely remained a product for the developing world, while Tesla has thrived in the European market. But Chinese automakers recently ramped up efforts to expand their global reach, and at least one company–GAC Motor–plans to sell cars in the U.S. as soon as next year.

    “Sometimes people are under the impression that China is either dragging their feet or somehow behind the U.S. in terms of sustainable-energy promotion,” Musk said at a conference last summer. “But they are by far the most aggressive on earth.”

    Why China Will Beat Tesla As the Electric Car Maker | Time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    No doubt that the Western big players in car business (GM, VW, etc.) has hampered the development of electrical cars that are much cheaper in their production and much simple in their maintenance and operation.
    Don't be fucking moron. They will build whatever they can sell, and now there's a market they're all at it.

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    And apparently no-one wants cars any more.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/ford...ar-behind.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    And apparently no-one wants cars any more.
    Maybe the ameristanis can't afford a new car, or more precisely cant get any more credit! The ameristani companies are reducing or eliminating certain models is more accurate.

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    Oh dear, an ameristani company has been forced to aknowledge it stole Chinese IPR. The ameristani company shipped an order to China where it was impounded by Chinese customs officials.

    Shanghai seizes US-made microchip equipment over IPR


    Source:Global Times Published: 2018/4/27 2258

    A US company and a Shanghai firm have agreed to settle an intellectual property rights (IPR) dispute after customs authorities seized chip-making equipment from the US company at the Shanghai Pudong International Airport.

    At the start of 2018, Chinese company Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc (AMEC) learned that US equipment suspected of infringing the company's patents would arrive at Shanghai Pudong International Airport. Shanghai customs authorities then seized the suspected products, Jiefang Daily reported on Friday, citing customs officers.

    Customs suspended the clearance of the products worth 34 million yuan ($5.36 million).


    With the customs' involvement, the US company, whose name was not revealed, attached importance to AMEC's patents and negotiated with AMEC. The two sides agreed to settle the dispute by offering cross licenses to each other.

    Based in Shanghai, AMEC is a global micro-fabrication equipment manufacturer, serving customers in the semiconductor industry and adjacent high-tech sectors. The company has applied for over 1,200 patents.

    With the advances in Chinese technologies, the number of such infringements will rise, according to Hao Junbo, a lawyer at Beijing-based Hao Law Firm.

    He told the Global Times on Friday that Chinese companies can learn from the US by prohibiting imports or padlocking imported products.

    In 2017, China made 1.38 million invention patent applications, leading the world for the seventh year. It made 51,000 Patent Cooperation Treaty patent applications, ranking second in the world.

    In accordance with international trade rules, China always pays fees for using IPRs, said Shen Changyu, head of the State Intellectual Property Office, at a press conference on Tuesday. In 2017, China paid $28.6 billion to other countries, with a deficit surpassing $20 billion.

    China will better protect IPR to improve the business environment and attract more foreign investors, Shen said, noting that China treats IPR of domestic and foreign companies equally.

    Shanghai seizes US-made microchip equipment over IPR - Global Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Don't be fucking moron. They will build whatever they can sell, and now there's a market they're all at it.
    Oh, what stupid idea about a market they have... The others (more clever) are building what they cannot sell, aren't they?

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    Those Europenis cars are cute. They're tiny and quick and get in and out of places the Ameristanis can't thus should dominate the continent. However, the Chinese are masters at mimicry and will of course dominate them by economies of scale.

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    After reading the articles I concluded they were focusing on what they can and do sell. As for myself it would be a toss up as to which I may buy if in a place with dirt roads that are prone to flooding but it will not be a EV coup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishlocker View Post
    However, the Chinese are masters at mimicry and will of course dominate them by economies of scale.
    Let's hope they reject "Turning Japanese".


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    This Ranger was my choice for hauling. Four door crew cab with room in the back for these hitch hikers. Not to drop names but the hippy was from Holland, the other a Patriots fan. To each his own I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    In accordance with international trade rules, China always pays fees for using IPRs


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    Solar power, electric vehicles, trade routes, economic growth, peaceful expansion. The future is all going China's way it seems. Their Ecommerce even dwarfs Amazon. Thank goodness for Tesla- that's all I can say.

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    That's a cracker from OhOH I must admit,the Beijing motor show is on now and the Chinese roll out direct copies of Euro vehicles as usual.
    Couple of years ago they even copied a Rolls and they don't give a shit about any backlash because the Chinese courts have always sided with
    Chinese makers.
    Bmw among others tried to sue but were told to piss off,does not help when all foreign makers who build in China must have local majority partners and the Chinese call the shots.

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    the Chinese call the shots.
    Zing. That's the way it is, if you want to set up shop there in the worlds largest market.
    And of course, they will 'appropriate' your technology in the process. wouldn't you?
    They are already the worlds largest car manufacturer you know, by a long way.

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    I presume you have the contracts details and the IPR details allegedly "stolen"? Or are you just pissing down your leg?

    Quote Originally Posted by reddog View Post
    Bmw among others tried to sue but were told to piss off,does not help when all foreign makers who build in China must have local majority partners and the Chinese call the shots.
    I presume you have the contracts details and the IPR details allegedly "stolen"? Or are you just pissing down your leg?

    Many countries and companies have, allegedly, signed away "secrets"/chose to accept under Chinese law. Why because the "secrets" signed away, were not worth the "potential" sales revenue and many western markets were and remain, in a recessional trend. Railways, buses, cars, aeroplanes, missiles, computer chips, solar energy, ......... All the "dirty jobs the western countries could offshore, close down expensive local factories and R&D, reduce wages - because of "low" product demand and pay themselves handsome bonuses. The dumb locals are now told it's the Chinese, the Russians, the Koreans, the EU and scream for sanctions. Idiots.

    Whether the "potential sales" will occur or whether the company executives, at the time, will repay their enormous contract signing bonuses, is up to the companies management and shareholders.

    But keep pointing the finger "over there".

    Sells bombs, fighter planes, ..........weapons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
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    I presume you have the contracts details and the IPR details allegedly "stolen"? Or are you just pissing down your leg?
    Do you think they publicise what they steal? is that really your measure of whether or not they steal and counterfeit?

    You stupid boy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Do you think they publicise what they steal? is that really your measure of whether or not they steal and counterfeit?
    Is China number one for unlicensed usage of IPR?

    Or do you suck up the koolaid but have no real knowledge of the allegations? I hope this attitude doesn't apply to the others threads we post on. That would be most disappointing.



    Next time I will pee my knickers, call you some very bad Korean words and never post to you again. You have no idea as to who I am, what I've done and who I have reported to the mods. So there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Is China number one for unlicensed usage of IPR?

    Or do you suck up the koolaid but have no real knowledge of the allegations? I hope this attitude doesn't apply to the others threads we post on. That would be most disappointing.



    Next time I will pee my knickers, call you some very bad Korean words and never post to you again. You have no idea as to who I am, what I've done and who I have reported to the mods. So there.


    You've been reading too much Putin.

    Deny Deny Deny. If there's no proof it didn't happen.

    If the Chinese don't admit to stealing and counterfeiting everything they can get their fucking hands on, it never happened.

    You mug.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You mug.
    The picture isn't really me.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If the Chinese don't admit to stealing and counterfeiting
    Allegedly some companies have addressed the problem through the courts. Unfortunately the courts with jurisdiction found against the plaintiff. Somebody needs a competent contract writer, an experienced negotiating team prior to signing the commercial and legally binding contract or an understanding of the true aims of the parties involved.

    Or is it the ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ they see in their bonuses paramount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The picture isn't really me.



    Allegedly some companies have addressed the problem through the courts. Unfortunately the courts with jurisdiction found against the plaintiff. Somebody needs a competent contract writer, an experienced negotiating team prior to signing the commercial and legally binding contract or an understanding of the true aims of the parties involved.

    Or is it the ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ they see in their bonuses paramount?
    The chinkies is as bent as a 90 baht note mate.

    To an extent about favouritism, baldy orange cunto has it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The chinkies is as bent as a 90 baht note mate.
    The rest are parodies of truthfulness? If it was only the Chinese I might acknowledged your point, but we both know that people worldwide are driven by the same goals. Some societies work for selfish reasons, some take a longer more inclusive outlook and plan accordingly.

    The companies and the Chines struck deals, now the companies rather than accepting they were contractually and legally duped/outwitted/taken advantage of, or decided on short term gains, blame everybody but themselves. It is an ameristan and vassals trait, no balls, no responsibility and no honour. To their shareholder, their employees or their countries. They threw away their golden geese for a, "I'll want another in an hour", Chinese meal.

    We now have China wanting a bunch of new civil airplanes/engines, surely they won't do it again? Or will China make them an offer they believe they can't refuse, management decides or shareholders decide to take the ¥ now. Take a few billion now of devaluing paper for many lifetimes, of many people's efforts.

    The Japanese companies made money decades ago making cheap imitations of proven products. Now they are or have been world leaders in many different products. They bought know how, they bought machine tools, they bought technology and leapfrogged western competition, it can be done by anybody with finance and a plan.

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