Thread: China's Orwellian experiment - engineering social behaviour

So, will the Chinese citizens be forced to wear on their sleeves how many green genital warts, gold, silver, bronze or red stars they have accumulated?
Or will they have the option to "hide repo"?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Or will they have the option to "hide repo"?

...I imagine some will look like North Korean generals on parade...

Gonna be a mess, repo gangs roaming the streets redding people for no good reason.

A recent and really in-depth article from yesterday.

Life Inside China?s Social Credit Laboratory ? Foreign Policy

Originally Posted by uncle junior

redding people for no good reason.

Quite.

We may look down on many Chinese conditions and circumstances (and on their aircraft carrier either), however, considering the turmoil in the past century and the " gratuitous" help from the West, they have been achieving a lot.

Who wants to see something interesting about Chinese Yunnan, I recommend an entertaining document (they call it "magazine") of French TV5 I saw last Sunday evening, will be repeated this Fri 22.00 with English subtitles:

China, along the tea road Tea is the world's most frequently consumed drink after water. Philippe Gougler takes us to China, along the legendary Tea Road, to Yunnan. By following this ancient road, we discover the world's most prestigious tea: pu'er. It all begins in Mangjing, south of Yunnan. In today's programme: - Pu'er, the tea worth its weight in gold - Nizhu, back to the source - The celestial highway Presented by: Philippe Gougler.
https://asia.tv5monde.com/Schedule?lang=en-US

There are 56 etnics minorities in China, many of them are living in Yunnan, some of them we can see also here in the North. However, the minorities in Yunnan are not so unprivileged as these hill tribe people liveing here in Thailand for generations. The whole Yunnan province is quite different from the manufacturing China, with the population sticking to their Tibetian traditional roots. The film shows quite happy people - without any political context - as is the rule of all these French 'magazines" aired in Thailand on Sundays at 20:00.

At the last section, The celestial highway, one may be surprised by the enormous system of suspended highways and bridges in the mountainous area of Yunnan, perhaps unique in the world.

China's social credit system gathered pace on Friday with fresh announcements of sanctions for people and companies accused of fiddling taxes, running afoul of financial market reporting requirements and misbehaving as airline passengers.

The official Credit China website published a list of 169 people banned from traveling by train after breaking government rules, including underpayment of taxes and failing to provide required information as a listed company.

Some banned passengers were accused of "disrupting public order in railway stations," and "endangering the railways," the report said.

Others on the list had been cited for smoking or traveling without a valid ticket on trains.

In a separate announcement, 86 were sanctioned by the country's civil aviation authority for causing trouble on flights, failing to comply with airport security, or for having dangerous goods in their baggage.

They were slapped with a one-year ban from Air China flights for infractions such as using another person's boarding pass, and failing to respect the law during airport security inspections, according to a separate notice on the Credit China website.

Some passengers were also accused of spreading false information about terrorism and civil aviation security, forging others' identification documents, or "blocking" lines at check-in counters and security channels.

Some have already been subjected to administrative penalties, such as fines, or criminal prosecution, the statement said.

Guangzhou-based rights activist Zhang Wuzhou said people can also be banned for more political reasons, however, adding that she has been banned from buying train tickets for pursuing a complaint against the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

Zhang has herself been barred from traveling by train for pursuing a petition against local officials.

"I think they only do this to long-term petitioners," she told RFA.

But she said that much of the implementation of the rules is inconsistent and haphazard, meaning that the social credit system is inherently flawed.

"They don't enforce rules that they should enforce," Zhang told RFA on Friday. "For example, they won't let you on the train if you are smoking, but if people smoke once they are on the train, nobody does anything about it."


https://www.rfa.org/english/news/chi...018144059.html

the precedent it sets is alarming, but the offenses listed should at least temporarily preclude people from flying

Originally Posted by misskit

causing trouble on flights, failing to comply with airport security, or for having dangerous goods in their baggage.

not an easy task keeping 2 billion people in line

Originally Posted by uncle junior

not an easy task keeping 2 billion people in line

...nonsense: pay one billion to watch the other billion...

Perhaps following "No-Fly List" of a unnamed country (please no names here)...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...nonsense: pay one billion to watch the other billion...

Who's gonna watch the billion watchers

Originally Posted by OhOh

The Chinese authorities have made the "watchers" redundant. They have publically named and shamed some of presumably the worst offenders.

As of 16:41 today the population of China is 1,386,001,334. With only 169 being "named", about 1 in 8,000,000 citizens being banned, is it really a problem?

No! Not in the least. However, I have witnessed Chinese tourists, in N'east Thailand & Phenom Phen, behaving like privileged little brats , in hotel lobbies and adjacent rooftop restaurants.

Nouveaux riche, I remember the first tourists to Spain were somewhat similar in the 70's.



It's not as if leasing a Gulfstream 650 means anything these days.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Chinese authorities use 'gait' surveillance to identify people by their body shape and walk


Gait recognition, which Watrix CEO Huang Yongzhen is showing, is already used by police in Beijing and Shanghai.


Chinese authorities have begun deploying a new surveillance tool called "gait recognition" software that uses people's body shapes and how they walk to identify them, even when their faces are hidden from cameras.

Key points:

• Software developer Watrix says its program can identify people from 50 metres away
• Gait recognition is being envisioned as a surveillance tool alongside facial recognition
• The technology has been researched for over a decade in Japan, the UK and US

Already used by police on the streets of Beijing and Shanghai, "gait recognition" is part of a push across China to develop artificial intelligence and data-driven surveillance that is raising concerns about how far the technology will go.

The software, built by a Chinese artificial intelligence company called Watrix, extracts a person's silhouette from video and analyses the silhouette's movement to create a model of the way the person walks.

I don't know why this is a problem the British govt has been doing this for years.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

not an easy task keeping 2 billion people in line

Originally Posted by tomcat

...nonsense: pay one billion to watch the other billion...

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Who's gonna watch the billion watchers

New York law asks for ‘social media audits’ before gun purchases


A proposed law could require you to submit your social media accounts and search history as an extra background check before buying a gun.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/social-media-password-search-history-could-be-required-before-buying-firearm … @WKBW @facebook @NRA @CGCguncontrol @SenatorParker @Emma4Change @AMarch4OurLives @davidhogg111 @NatlGunRights

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6:01 AM - Nov 22, 2018

"If state lawmakers get their way, New Yorkers wanting to buy a handgun might need to hand over their social media passwords and search history for a government ‘audit’ first.


A proposal by Brooklyn-based state Senator Kevin Parker and Borough President Eric Adams, both Democrats, would have the state government reviewing one year of Google, Bing and Yahoo search history of would-be handgun buyers.


The “social media review” would also cover three years’ worth of posts on social media sites like Facebook, Twitter and Snapchat, which would be scrutinized for language containing racial/gender bias, slurs, threats and terrorism, according to WKBW-TV in Buffalo.


The proposed measure has run into a hail of criticism from gun rights advocates, with several attorneys pointing out it would run afoul of the US Constitution.

Attorney James Tresmond told WKBW the act would clash with “The first, the second amendment, the fifth amendment, the fourth amendment, and the 14th amendment.”


In plain English, this ranges from the issue of freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, to the right to due process, guarantee against unreasonable search and seizure, and equal protection of the laws"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/b...ion-ideas.html

https://www.rt.com/usa/444759-gun-buyers-social-media-review/


A simple mandatory for profit prior to purchase app, solves all legal issues.

https://blog.hootsuite.com/social-media-audit-template/

TD could demand a certain level of score prior to posting access allowed. Oh there would be one for an "intelligence" requirement. The score could be reduced on a Friday night for the Loy Toy crowd.

What do NY gun laws have to do with the topic, the Chinese trying to force state control over its hapless citizens?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What do NY gun laws have to do with the topic

Possibly the fact that this thread is regarding this subject:

Originally Posted by David48atTD

China's Social Credit System seeks to assign citizens scores, engineer social behaviour

For the dumb an anti Chinese piece regarding the big bad government allegedly interfering with their citizens freedom to act and speak.

The similarities to the alleged introduction, by the ameristani government departments to adopt similar should, for all free thinking people, scream of similar behaviour.

Obviously beyond your, as measured by the possible new requirement, intelligence score and hence your ability to access and compute the necessary information.

Just await the new MS W10 update, let us know what the work around is or if we should stop future automatic updates.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Possibly the fact that this thread is regarding this subject:



For the dumb an anti Chinese piece regarding the big bad government allegedly interfering with their citizens freedom to act and speak.

The similarities to the alleged introduction, by the ameristani government departments to adopt similar should, for all free thinking people, scream of similar behaviour.

Obviously beyond your, as measured by the possible new requirement, intelligence score and hence your ability to access and compute the necessary information.

Just await the new MS W10 update, let us know what the work around is or if we should stop future automatic updates.

So, fuck all then.

More waffle.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

More garbled waffle

...ftfy...

Originally Posted by tomcat

...nonsense: pay one billion to watch the other billion...

Was trying to find this thread earlier today after I saw this:

Porn Bounty Hunters
https://www.abacusnews.com/digital-l...rticle/2174646

China is offering it citizens up to US$86,000 to snitch on porn

China is hoping to create a nation of porn bounty hunters. The country, which regards all kinds of pornography as illegal, has just doubled the reward for reporting illegal publishing to 600,000 yuan (US$86,500).
The National Office Against Pornographic and Illegal Publications—a government body tasked with cleaning up China’s web — last week issued New Measures for Rewarding Reporting on Eradicating Pornography and Illegal Content, which will become effective December 1.

More at link...

Originally Posted by OhOh

Possibly the fact that this thread is regarding this subject:



For the dumb an anti Chinese piece regarding the big bad government allegedly interfering with their citizens freedom to act and speak.

The similarities to the alleged introduction, by the ameristani government departments to adopt similar should, for all free thinking people, scream of similar behaviour.

Obviously beyond your, as measured by the possible new requirement, intelligence score and hence your ability to access and compute the necessary information.

Just await the new MS W10 update, let us know what the work around is or if we should stop future automatic updates.

I am unsure why you see the need to obfuscate any negative stories on China by comparisons with America. Do you not realise how blinkered and obtuse you look when you make comparisons with absolutely no basis in any factual evidence? The U.S.A. is far from perfect on many levels, that is a given, but to compare freedoms of thought, of expression, of worship, the press, the internet and certainly to bear arms to most logical thinking people on planet earth (other than the Chinese people who would be too afraid to offer an opinion not in line with this totalitarian regime) is at least ludicrous and at worse borders on a peculiar form of insanity. The only other possible conclusion would seem to be some form of Stockholm syndrome. I am perplexed how you can appear quite intelligent at times yet have the objectivity of a turnip.