Thread: The Deep State

Originally Posted by Airportwo

WTC 6 just fell down

Slight correction, I think you mean WTC7. Although WTC 6 may have fell down too...in sympathy.

Originally Posted by Norton

Another couple examples of disparate groups.

I just thought of another aspect of our society that's been invaded by the Deep State(MIC on steroids)...sports. In fact it's the main reason I no longer follow sports. A secondary reason is the wealthy sports team owners(many of those who have DS connections btw) being subsidized by the tax payers. But that's a whole nother ball of wax.

This particular example I'm going to link to is about American Football(NFL and NCAA) and the Deep State propaganda and entraining that fans of the sport encounter. But it's not just happening in football, it's in all American sports.

The NFL and the Militarization of the American Public
https://thevolterra.com/2013/09/09/t...erican-public/



Here's an excerpt:

The rest of football though reflects the militarization of American society that has occurred over the past decade and which continues to seep between sports, primarily football, and the everyday. The examples of this are nearly endless. There is the recent “Hell Week” reality webseries produced by Dick’s Sporting Goods and ESPN, borrowing a term for the climax of SEAL training and imposing it on a high school football team’s preseason training. Weekly, military aircraft provide flyovers for both college and professional games. There are the militarized uniforms of college teams including the “American flag” uniform from Boston College and the “Black Ops” uniform from the University of Maryland. While the Boston College uniform was in support of the Wounded Warrior Project by UnderArmor, a point I will address below, the Black Ops uniforms were simple militarized masturbation, giving the uniform a militarized theme for the sake of style and coolness. This recent Pepsi commercial** that seamlessly combines, the NFL, players, coaches, fans and owners with “the troops”, who are also fans, all of whom are or course drinking Pepsi. This blatant and shallow corporatism bleeds directly into the ever present “Support the Troops” movement on which Steven Salaita wrote a poignant article last month.

Salaita’s basic premise, one with which I entirely agree, is that “compulsory patriotism does nothing for soldiers who risk their lives – but props up those who profit from war”. Widely apparent in those projects that “support the troops”, is the invariably corporatism, whose companies’ magnanimity is driven by the sole purpose of either increasing their revenue or reducing their taxes, both while garnering public good will. I leave the next point to Salaita:

“As in most areas of the American polity, we pay taxes that favor the private sector, which then refuses to contribute to any sustainable vision of the public good. The only serious welfare programs in the United States benefit the most powerful among us. Individual troops, who are made to preserve and perpetuate this system, rarely enjoy the spoils. The bonanza is reserved for those who exploit the profitability of warfare through the acquisition of foreign resources and the manufacture of weapons.”

I should qualify Salaita’s argument with this, for “the troops” themselves this is not an entirely empty sentiment. I cannot speak for the entire military, nor can anyone, but feeling the support of the nearly every American must improve and support morale. The days of Vietnam, when military personnel were vilified or ignored by the public are over. However real help for veterans does not come through these corporations but instead comes through medical support from the Veterans Affairs Administration and the reintegration of veterans to civilian life through well-paying civilian jobs. Unfortunately, neither the government bureaucracy nor the military, those with the true responsibility to these men and women, have successfully charted a path that would truly “support the troops”. Equally as unfortunate is that the empty rhetoric from corporations masks these failures with shallow corporate goodwill.

There is a difference though, and an important one between supporting the individual members of the military, and the ubiquitous support for the “troops”. Supporting the troops makes a number of assumptions that, along with this militarized culture articulated in the NFL brand, has placed American society in a dangerous place. Like the Romans who had their gladiators, Americans have our football players and the same martial traits are glorified in both. There’s a quote from the movie Gladiator where Marcus Aurelius, the elderly emperor who is murdered by his son, says, “There is always someone left to fight”. While this is a statement from modern culture, its simplicity is reminiscent of classic philosophers and could very well have been uttered by a Roman thinker. It paints a grave picture. The NFL, Pepsi and various clothing brands are not the only corporations that have profited from the militarization of the American public. The defense industry has bound itself to the government and the blind acceptance of this by the American public has allowed the military-industrial complex to institutionalize itself in, and become an integral part of, the American economy. When an economy and a culture bases itself on a militarized society, it makes it more likely and close to inevitable that that society will go to war, that it will always find some one else to fight. The NFL, as an entertainment industry and the country’s most popular and profitable sport, is just the most transparent articulation of this society. Patriotism is not a negative characteristic in a society, militarism is.

**The Pepsi commercial I think he's referring to(link in original is dead):


The Salaita article in Salon:
https://www.salon.com/2013/08/25/no_...rt_the_troops/


More reading suggestions, for those interested... Chalmers Johnson books. Blowback, The Sorrows of Empire, Nemesis and Dismantling the Empire.

Another more recent book...Alfred W. McCoy: In the Shadows of the American Century. He of course wrote the classic, The Politics of Heroin.

^ The term "Militarizati" is an apt term, SKkin.

Good find.

Wondering whether the deep state won't be threatened once again by a deep throat?

[QUOTE=SKkin;3724881]Slight correction, I think you mean WTC7. Although WTC 6 may have fell down too...in sympathy.

I stand corrected! defiant little buggers both these buildings, not many are able to say they defeated the law of basic physics, thankfully there joint actions in self demolition did little to make people question how it was possible!

Originally Posted by SKkin

Hollywood,

EXCLUSIVE: Documents expose how Hollywood promotes war on behalf of the Pentagon, CIA and NSA

US military intelligence agencies have influenced over 1,800 movies and TV shows

https://medium.com/insurge-intellige...s-36433107c307



Cult of War, Violence, Greed
Cult of War, Violence, Greed

The Cult of War is made possible by an advertising system created by super Genius psychologists, the architect being Edward Bernays (but his early work was really just a foundation, for much more complex and effective methods which were developed in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s.). This program is very well funded to the tune of several billion dollars, and it has several positive side benefits. One is the training of new recruits. Fresh meat from foreign countries that grew up watching Hollywood films will sell their child’s Kidney for a ticket to immigrate to USA and work as a security guard or housekeeper. Cult of War depends on these new entrants as the local gene pool is sterile, and – for reasons of information security, foreigners cannot possibly know that the whole thing is just a big show (whereas, a growing number of Americans know it, such as the ‘truther’ 911 movement and other groups). Foreigners are the naïve bait needed to hook another generation of gullible and easily malleable participants – on which the system relies. The irony about the ‘revolutionaries’ who speak of ‘change’ do not realize that all that is needed for change is lack of participation. If no one showed up to vote in a fraud election there cannot be a fraud. If people stopped paying their taxes the military would be defunded. Et Cetera.

Originally Posted by SKkin

EXCLUSIVE: Documents expose how Hollywood promotes war on behalf of the Pentagon, CIA and NSA

Just aired on RT live a documentary about that.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Just aired on RT

seriously....what's up with you and RT?

it's weird.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Just aired on RT live a documentary about that.

Of course they did.

And in other RT news, Vladimir Putin is not a thief, a murderer and is not trying to drag Russia back into the cold war.

I'm really starting to love this guy...

Light It Up
Light It Up - Kunstler

It must be hard on The New York Times editors to set their hair on fire day after day in their effort to start World War Three. Today’s lead story, Russian Threat on Two Fronts Meets Strategic Void in the U.S., aims to keep ramping up twin hysterias over a new missile gap and fear of Russian “meddling” in the 2018 midterm elections.

The Times’s world-view begins to look like the script of a Batman sequel with Vlad Putin cast in The Joker role of the cackling psychopath who must be stopped at all costs! America’s generals have switched on the Batman signal beacon, but Donald Trump in the role of the Caped Crusader, merely dithers and broods in the splendid isolation of his 1600 Penn Avenue Bat Cave, suffering yet another of his endless bipolar identity crises. For God’s sake, The Times, shrieks, do something! The Russians are coming! (Gotham City’s Chief of Police Hillary said exactly that last week in a Tweet!)

I think they misunderstood Mr. Putin’s recent message when he announced a new hypersonic missile technology that would, supposedly, cut through any imaginable US missile defense. The actual message, for the non mental defectives left in this drooling idiocracy of a republic, was as follows: Nuclear war remains unthinkable, so kindly stop thinking about it.

Mr. Putin’s other strategic position is also misrepresented — actually, not even acknowledged — in Monday’s NYT propaganda blast, namely, to discourage the USA’s decades-long policy of regime change here, there, and everywhere on the planet, creating a debris trail of one failed state after another. As a true-blue American, I must say these are two admirable propositions. Is it fatuous to add that atomic war is unlikely to benefit anyone? Or that the world has had enough of US military “meddling” in foreign lands?

Of course the shopworn trope of Russian “meddling” in the 2016 election still occupies the center ring of the American political circus. Today’s Times story includes another clumsy attempt to set up expectations that the 2018 midterm elections will be hacked by Russia, in order to keep the hysteria at code-red level. As usual, the proposition assumes that the alleged 2016 hacking is both proven and significant when, going on two years, there is no evidence of hacking besides the obviously amateurish Facebook troll farm. (And, by the way, how does that compare to the USA’s 2014 covert toppling of Ukraine’s president Viktor Yanukovych?) Talk about “meddling!”

…[I]n public statements in recent weeks, Mr. Trump’s top intelligence officials have conceded that the president has yet to discuss strategies with them to prevent the Russians from interfering in the midterm elections this year. Mr. Trump has expressed severe doubts that the Russians meddled in 2016, contradicting the conclusions of his intelligence officials.

By inference, The New York Times has no doubts that the 2016 election was fatally hacked to defeat its preferred candidate — though there is plenty of reason to suppose that the entire Russian “meddling” story was a mendacious psyops product of John O. Brennan’s CIA. It was only a few months ago that The Times and the cable news networks were shrieking about the White House National Security Advisor (General Flynn) being caught speaking with the Russian Ambassador — as if foreign ambassadors come here for some reason other than to keep open communication lines with American officials.

What’s going on here makes the Red Scare of 1920 and the McCarthy episode of the early 1950s look sedate in comparison. It’s reasonable to suppose that officials in any foreign country watching the dismal ongoing spectacle here would conclude that the United States has lost its mind. Somebody please take us to the hydrotherapy chamber!

Originally Posted by SKkin

The Cult of War is made possible by an advertising system created by super Genius psychologists

Riiiiiiight.... Not just your standard, garden-variety, psychologists but super genius psychologists!

Oops Genius with a capital "G"!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Of course they did.

And in other RT news, Vladimir Putin is not a thief, a murderer and is not trying to drag Russia back into the cold war.

(Cannot find the Putin's "Cold War" bases)

Mapped: Where in the world the US still has a military presence





In a speech delivered last night (Aug. 21) in Fort Meyer, Virginia, Donald Trump confirmed what was expected: he is walking back opposition to military involvement in Afghanistan, and instead sending more troops to a war that’s already cost the US some $800 billion and over 2,400 troops’ lives. After Obama failed to make good on his promise to withdraw from Afghanistan, Trump seems set to follow the same path.

This essentially confirms something the rest of the world has been suspecting for decades: Once it gets involved in a conflict, the US seems just incapable of leaving. According to the Department of Defense, the US still controls or operates 179 bases in Germany, hundreds more all over Europe, and 109 in Japan.

David Vine, author of Base Nation: How US Military Bases Abroad Harm America and the World, reports that as of 2015, the year of the latest available official count (pdf), the US had 686 bases in 74 countries. Contrasting the US to two other countries with large militaries, France has bases (pdf, p. 6) in five countries (as well as five overseas French territories), while the UK has them in eight countries , not counting bases it shares with the US and NATO.

The US also lists troops in most countries of the world, though in several cases the presence is negligible (sometimes, a couple of people attached to the embassy, for instance), but often enough it’s a more sizeable contingent. Here’s a map of US’s worldwide military presence in the form of either bases or at least 1,000 troops.
The map above doesn’t take into account NATO bases where US troops may be, or rumored secret bases. It’s not a definitive count, as the data about the US’s military presence are fragmented and incomplete (more on this here).
https://qz.com/1059549/afghanistan-t...ilitary-bases/

Just found this today in an article from last year that goes back to my earlier comment(in post #80) on what the term deep state means to me.

In the past quarter century what began as Eisenhower’s MIC has become a multifaceted, hybrid entity encompassing an astonishing range and depth in both the public and private sectors. To a large extent, the contours of what former Congressional staffer Mike Lofgren has called the «Deep State» (which largely through Lofgren’s efforts has since become a household word) are those of the incestuous «expert» community that dominates mainstream media thinking but extend beyond it to include elements of all three branches of the US government, private business (especially the financial industry, government contractors, information technology), think tanks, NGOs (many of which are anything but «nongovernmental» but are funded by US official agencies and those of our «allies», satellites, and clients), higher education (especially the recipients of massive research grants from the Department of Defense), and the two political parties and their campaign operatives, plus the multitude of lobbyists, campaign consultants, pollsters, spin doctors, media wizards, lawyers, and other functionaries.

Comparing the MIC of 1961 to its descendant, the Deep State of today, is like comparing a horse and buggy to a Formula One racecar. The Deep State’s principals enjoy power and privileges that would have brought a blush to the cheeks of members of the old Soviet nomenklatura, of which it is reminiscent.

quote from:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...you-think.html

Century of the Self:


The Real Battlefield Is The Mind:

Originally Posted by raycarey

this scandal is finally going to get the attention it deserves and is likely about to catch fire.

Look...a squirrel! Meanwhile Deep State MIC wins...bigly.

Pentagon Wins as Trump Readies a $716 Billion Budget Request
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...in-2019-budget

Trump to Seek $54 Billion Increase in Military Spending
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/u...-military.html

Trump Is Fighting To Save the Deep State
https://www.activistpost.com/2017/11...eep-state.html

While claiming to fight “The Deep State” and drain the swamp, Donald Trump fights to save a controversial law which serves as a powerful tool for The Deep State.

The first year of Donald Trump’s presidency is coming to a conclusion and all but his most blind supporters can now see that he is more of the same – a continuation of the puppet in chief bowing to the interests of the military-industrial complex and the banking/financial elite. The collective interests of these groups (and their front organizations) – as well as their connection to corporate and state power, academia, and media – are what have come to be known as the New World Order, the Shadow Government, or more recently, The Deep State.

Originally Posted by aging one

America just grinds on.

Indeed.

https://twitter.com/DeptofDefense/st...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Originally Posted by SKkin

Deep State

Originally Posted by SKkin

Save the Deep State

Originally Posted by SKkin

“The Deep State”

Originally Posted by SKkin

The Deep State.

Originally Posted by SKkin

The Deep State.

you've already got your own crazytown 'deep state' thread.

do everyone a favor and keep that tinfoil hat nonsense there.

Very scary shit

Most absorbing
Pad Thai of course is the answer to Seep Date.
Moist absorbing

Originally Posted by raycarey

you've already got your own crazytown 'deep state' thread.

do everyone a favor and keep that tinfoil hat nonsense there.

FOR...It's not really my own is it?

Originally Posted by SKkin

While claiming to fight “The Deep State” and drain the swamp, Donald Trump fights to save a controversial law which serves as a powerful tool for The Deep State.

The first year of Donald Trump’s presidency is coming to a conclusion and all but his most blind supporters can now see that he is more of the same – a continuation of the puppet in chief bowing to the interests of the military-industrial complex and the banking/financial elite.

Moved here from the Trump thread.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Very scary shit

I never fully trust "former" or current CIA personnel(or anyone from the alphabet agencies) to present the full and complete picture...and that includes Ray McGovern. But it doesn't hurt to hear them out.

..............

Who the cuss is Dresden James? From where /what is the context of that quote?

I've my suspicions it just sounds good to them so gets passed around by the tinfoil hat brigade.





Suckers

Originally Posted by misskit

Who the cuss is Dresden James? From where /what is the context of that quote?

I've my suspicions it just sounds good to them so gets passed around by the tinfoil hat brigade.





Suckers

And I neglected to thank you for proving the point for me...

Rather than discover the simple truth, the leftist will seek to denigrate, belittle, and disparage.

I'm afraid little darling, you are going to find the truth very difficult to swallow.

^Lets be honest, when you realise you have been lied to on a massive scale your whole life it is very difficult to come to terms with!
Many are unable to accept the new found facts, basing their opinion on "governments" would never lie!