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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Think the Republicans will still hold majority in both houses by a bit less than now.
    Did you skip over post #18? As this past election showed I think that it can only get worse for the repubs between now and next November. Ray Moore is just an extra bonus.

    No way they hold the house and with this Ray Moore pedo shit the Senate is now in play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Did you skip over post #18? As this past election showed I think that it can only get worse for the repubs between now and next November. Ray Moore is just an extra bonus.

    No way they hold the house and with this Ray Moore pedo shit the Senate is now in play.
    Roy Moore is ONLY about the Alabama special election coming up.

    As Norton stated, a year is an eternity is US electoral politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    As Norton stated, a year is an eternity is US electoral politics.
    Is it then? Perhaps you could elaborate how it could get better for the repubs between now and then. Anther year of trump. Hmmm. Is he suddenly jump by 60 IQ points? Get real. The GOP is hemorrhaging at this point and the bleeding shows no sign of slowing down.

    Wagers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Did you skip over post #18?
    Nope. Read it in detail. Just ain't buying year away conclusions stated.

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    ...^agree: sometimes a month away from an election (as with Moore) is a long time...

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    This thread will be around for awhile clearly so we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Perhaps you could elaborate how it could get better for the repubs between now and then
    Passing a significant infrastucture bill and a decent tax bill would go a long way in getting votes.

    Trump's favorability will not play a big role as each Rep Senator or Congress person will play to their electorate's opinions of Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    This thread will be around for awhile clearly so we shall see.
    Indeed we will. Dems have much more to do as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Passing a significant infrastucture bill and a decent tax bill would go a long way in getting votes.
    So.....

    If they can't find a way to pay for their billionaire tax cuts, how the fuck do you think they're going to pay for an Infrastructure bill then?

    I'm all ears....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    a decent tax bill would go a long way in getting votes.
    You can't be serious? Maybe hoodwinking the lemmings but decent is an absurd word with regard to that nightmare tax cut for the oligarchs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If they can't find a way to pay for their billionaire tax cuts
    Then they better fix it so they have a "decent" tax bill that will be passed.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    they're going to pay for an Infrastructure bill then?
    A "decent" infrastucture bill will get plenty of Democratic support.

    I do agree, the tax bill does have to provide revenue for the infrastructure bill.

    The Republican congress has less than a year to pass a couple major pieces of legislation. Failure to do so and the Dems will gain big time in the House.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I'm all ears...
    You are indeed. All ears with nothing to add but one liners that add zip to the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You can't be serious?
    Serious as a heat attack. You and your pal harry pro Dem, anti Republican, anti Trump partisan comments add nothing useful to the thread.

    You're not alone. The pro Republican, Trump can do no wrong anti Dem crowd is just as bad. Both crowds here in our wee TD world reflect exactly what is wrong with the US political scene. Tedious and destructive for the country. Sad days now and bound to get worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Serious as a heat attack.
    Explain to me how the trump tax cut will help the people that really need it? It will raise taxes on the poorest Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    You are indeed. All ears with nothing to add but one liners that add zip to the debate.


    Serious as a heat attack. You and your pal harry pro Dem, anti Republican, anti Trump partisan comments add nothing useful to the thread.

    You're not alone. The pro Republican, Trump can do no wrong anti Dem crowd is just as bad. Both crowds here in our wee TD world reflect exactly what is wrong with the US political scene. Tedious and destructive for the country. Sad days now and bound to get worse.
    Sorry fucko, but you chuck this shit around without any thought as to what it means and then try and call it "debate"?



    The fact is that *any* Republican tax bill is about grabbing cash and handing it to corporate and billionaire sponsors (and, of course, trousering their share), whether it comes out of the middle class pocket or the debt.

    They have no idea what a "decent" tax bill is.

    So why the fuck do you think they would be interested in *any* kind of Infrastructure Bill unless it makes them money?

    You're the one throwing around these stupid fucking one-line hypotheticals, no matter how far from reality they actually are:

    Passing a significant infrastucture bill and a decent tax bill would go a long way in getting votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Explain to me how the trump tax cut will help the people that really need it? It will raise taxes on the poorest Americans.
    The tax bill working it's way through congress as we speak is a piece of crap. Unless big changes are made it will fail miserably as did Trump care aka let em eat cake bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Is it then? Perhaps you could elaborate how it could get better for the repubs between now and then. Anther year of trump. Hmmm. Is he suddenly jump by 60 IQ points? Get real. The GOP is hemorrhaging at this point and the bleeding shows no sign of slowing down.

    Wagers?
    The coming mid-terms one year away, which are a lifetime in US electoral politics cannot be predicted.

    Yet.

    These far-away elections may not be about Trump policies. Perhaps they may be. We don't know now.

    Remember the 1994 mid-terns.

    They are historically significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    These far-away elections may not be about Trump policies. Perhaps they may be. We don't know now.
    midterms are usually a "yay" or "nay" on the president, which is why republicans did so well after 2 years of obama (negative campaigning works well in mid-terms).

    Democrats? Best Bet for 2018: Accentuate the Negative

    Democrats’ Best Bet for 2018: Accentuate the Negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    (negative campaigning works well in mid-terms).
    Weren't you preaching just yesterday how terrible the Dems were for their negative campaign tactics? Lot of quotes and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Weren't you preaching just yesterday how terrible the Dems were for their negative campaign tactics? Lot of quotes and all.
    wow! a.o. is participating in an actual speakers' corner discussion.

    just wow!

    rather than the usual dumb occasional insult like you usually do.

    anyways, a.o.:

    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Weren't you preaching just yesterday how terrible the Dems were for their negative campaign tactics? Lot of quotes and all.
    i didn't say it wasn't effective what the dems did in virginia.

    ray was just having a hissy fit about my prediction that the dems would go negative:

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    an ad run against the republican in the virginia governors race:
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    (not saying it wasn't effective)
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    it's going to get ugly in 2018.

    we'll see what happens, but from what i've read:

    republicans plan to be positive (obviously) about the country, the economy and everything in general.

    while democrats plan to run negative political ads.

    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    you seem to enjoy just making shit up and posting it on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    An eternity in US politics.
    true. any number of things could happen in the next 12 months. trump might even be out of office...or in jail.


    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Think the Republicans will still hold majority in both houses by a bit less than now.
    if i were a gambling man, i'd probably put down a few baht on the dems taking back the house, but....you know...that whole 'eternity' thing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    A "decent" infrastucture bill will get plenty of Democratic support.
    if the tax bill goes down in flames, then i think the dems will walk away from the any infrastructure bill just to ensure they take back the house.


    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Explain to me how the trump tax cut will help the people that really need it? It will raise taxes on the poorest Americans.
    poor people in red states have voted against their own economic self interest for a couple of generations now....and these trumptards don't seem to care that they're being lied to.



    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    midterms are usually a "yay" or "nay" on the president,
    no, midterms are usually against the party which holds the presidency. rarely does that party gain more seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    no, midterms are usually against the party which holds the presidency.
    yep, that's what i meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    if the tax bill goes down in flames, then i think the dems will walk away from the any infrastructure bill just to ensure they take back the house.
    the rich pay most of the taxes (everybody knows that), so however the republicans try to make the tax code more "fair", it'll be criticized for hurting somebody.

    a simple fair tax code is mostly opposed by lobbyists who helped write the tax code which is 73,000 pages long.

    anyways, if trump gets his corporate and small business tax breaks through

    (his supporters were hyped on improving the economy and "making america great again"),

    then the economy will be booming next year for the midterms and especially for the 2020 election.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    the rich pay most of the taxes (everybody knows that), so however the republicans try to make the tax code more "fair", it'll be criticized for hurting somebody.

    a simple fair tax code is mostly opposed by lobbyists who helped write the tax code which is 73,000 pages long.

    anyways, if trump gets his corporate and small business tax breaks through

    (his supporters were hyped on improving the economy and "making america great again"),

    then the economy will be booming next year for the midterms and especially for the 2020 election.

    The only problem is that it's all wind and piss and once again is designed to reward people like, well, Orange Cunto.

    The trouble is that the thick trumpanzees that follow him will read "Average tax break will be $1000" or some such shite and believe that this equates to them getting a $1000.

    Thick as fuck they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The only problem is that it's all wind and piss and once again is designed to reward people like, well, Orange Cunto.

    The trouble is that the thick trumpanzees that follow him will read "Average tax break will be $1000" or some such shite and believe that this equates to them getting a $1000.

    Thick as fuck they are.
    my point is that business tax cuts will boost the economy and help the chances for republicans in the next election (the topic of this thread).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    my point is that business tax cuts will boost the economy and help the chances for republicans in the next election (the topic of this thread).
    But they won't.

    If you look historically, the greatest economic growth comes when tax is at its highest.

    This "trickle down" bollocks doesn't work, they just trouser it and stash it in the Caymans.

    If tax revenue is invested (in things like - wait for it - Infrastructure), everyone benefits.

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