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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    let's see what happens to the airbus deal with iran.
    WaPo's reporting Boeing and Airbus will lose $39 Billion as a result

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    they always did, after all they are the descendants of the treacherous 2 face British
    I remember that when Amish people say goodbye to their friends who are going off to town, they say "watch out for the English".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    they always did, after all they are the descendants of the treacherous 2 face British
    And the French along with the Dutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    etter do something even if it's wrong to appease his "base
    The farmers are up in arms over his dealings with China. They are his core voters, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Start by cancelling the Boeing deal and giving it to someone else.
    It's in the readout. Doesn't air bus use ameristani parts? Who produces civil planes without amerstani parts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    He doesn't listen to the ones advising him. That's obvious.
    Didn't he listen to his daughter when the throat slitters were killing you boys. He did bomb the government forces in return, IIRR.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If the US tries to trash it, they are then free to go ahead and start developing nukes again.
    Too early to say Iran will or wants NWs.

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    that they can and will spend on furthering there development of nuclear weapons
    You have prrof they want them?

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    If this be the case case why are they testing ICBMS and why don't the allow inspectors onto their military sites?
    Tha's the guys who wear little black skull caps. When were they audited by a UN department, ever?
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    I'm wondering how a treaty, that was supposedly agreed to by the majority in the Senate can be shit canned by the President on a whim?
    Seems you don't understand the Iran deal so I will clarify,the Iran deal was just that,a deal, it was not approved by congress and therefore not a treaty.


    The Constitution provides that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur" (Article II, section 2). ... Most treaties submitted to the Senate havereceived its advice and consent to ratification.

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    Seems the plan as I posted before is to use the Libya model which after making sure they dont have the ability to defend themselves is to recruit arm and train a terrorist group to attack from inside the country then lie to the UN in an attempt to justify air strikes. No chance of hiding behind NATO this time but Israel and Saudi will be more than happy to oblige.
    I note that Israel has already started preparing justification:

    Iranian forces on the Syrian-held side of the Golan Heights shelled Israeli army outposts on the strategic plateau on Thursday but caused no casualties, the Israeli military said.
    Iranian forces in Syria shell Israeli army bases on Golan: Israel


    Europe will be the biggest loser out of this for not only do business stand to lose billions but when the millions of refugees start fleeing the bombs they will join those from Libya and Syria banging on Europe's door.

    PARIS: European businesses have the most to lose from renewed US sanctions against Iran, analysts said Wednesday, with massive sums at stake for some of the continent's big names.
    https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/wor...ost_recent_box


    /ar-AAx2n4F?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=ASUDHP

    As well as the economic leavers the US has over Europe the Russians and Chinese coming out and saying they will stick by the agreement has played into US hands for they can now say to the European signatories of the agreement ' who are you going to side with on this Russia your enemy who wants to take over Europe of us your benefactor who is defending you with our missiles and bases.

    It also gives the chance to impose more sanctions on Russia and sanctions on China which has been very naughty in not rolling over and playing dead over the tariff threats.

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    ^ Yep.



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    ^not sex...130k for hush money, so ppl wouldn't find out about the sex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Because it's not really about the nuclear deal. It's about destabilising Iran and regime change ... and the US wanting total world domination. They have a plan - to destabilise Iran and seek regime change.

    Destabilising Iran ??!! They have been fucking up their own country for years. Those religious Nutcrackers have to do just one little thing:
    "Leave Israel alone ! "

    If not they are doomed

    10.5.2018
    Israel strikes dozens of Iranian targets in Syria

    In addition, the Iranian launcher from which the Grad rockets and Fajr 5 missiles were fired at Israel was also destroyed overnight.
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Is...n-Syria-556034

    Iran days are counted if they don't back off. The countdown is on for those backward Mullahs.

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    You get almost orgasmic over even the hint of a war/genocide don't you Herman.

    Must be a German thing. Like shitting on glass coffee tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    You get almost orgasmic over even the hint of a war/genocide don't you Herman.

    Must be a German thing. Like shitting on glass coffee tables.
    Just being realistic. There are plenty of threads here on when, how and why Iran will get bombed.

    But maybe you can tell us more about your Google searching habits about germans shitting on glass tables. I'am sure you have enough info to start a thread on your own.

    Go for it Anty!

    Your apologist mode and wanting to be the saviour for the opressed is played out. Put on a new record for Christ sakes!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
    But maybe you can tell us more about your Google searching habits about germans shitting on glass tables.
    I've never searched that sort of thing, I'm not German.

    I just searched "HermantheGerman" though and this is what came up:



    That and some rather unsavory pics involving coffee tables.

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    08.05.2018
    Trump backs out of nuclear deal.

    09.05.2018
    Netanjahu visits Putin.

    10.05.2018
    Israel's largest operations in decades, with several planes attacking more than 50 targets in Syria at the same time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Seems you don't understand the Iran deal so I will clarify,the Iran deal was just that,a deal, it was not approved by congress and therefore not a treaty.
    I would suggest a resolution signed by the UNSC + Germany's government and the UN Secretary, has more worldly weight, than any piece of paper the amerstani regime's bought and paid for officials have ever produced.

    But then ameristan, to me, is an unexceptional country populated by coolaid sodden scum.

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    As per DW:
    Israel blamed for Syria strike

    More recently, Israel has been accused of carrying out deadly missile strikes in Syria, but it has not acknowledged such actions.
    In the hours before Netanyahu's visit to Russia, the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said that Israeli missiles had killed nine people near Damascus on Tuesday. While it was not clear exactly who was killed, the Observatory said the targeted area was likely in the hands of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard.
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    Airstrikes attributed to Israel have raised fears of retaliation from Iran.
    On Tuesday, the Israeli army went on high alert following "irregular activity by Iranian forces" over the demarcation line between the occupied Golan Heights and neighboring Syria. The warning was called off Wednesday morning.
    Tehran supports the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, as does Moscow.
    Russia and Iran have set up a hotline in order to avoid accidentally clashing with one another in Syria.
    Benjamin Netanyahu and Vladimir Putin talk Syria in Moscow | News | DW | 09.05.2018


    Netanyahu compares Iran to Nazi Germany during V-Day talks with Putin

    Published time: 9 May, 2018 20:06



    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has used the Victory Day celebrations in Russia to push his idea that Iran is a threat. This time, he virtually likened the Islamic Republic to Nazi Germany.
    “It is hard to believe that, 73 years after the Holocaust, there is still a country in the Middle East – Iran – that openly calls for the destruction of the State of Israel,” Netanyahu said during the talks with the Russian President Vladimir Putin after both leaders took part in the Victory Day celebrations in the Russian capital.

    The Israeli prime minister went on to say that his country still remembers “an important history lesson: when a murderous ideology emerges, one has to push back against it before it is too late,” apparently drawing parallels between Nazi Germany and Iran over their antagonism towards Jews. He then added that the present situation significantly differs from the one in the 1940s, as the Jews now have their own state.

    Netanyahu made his statements as the two leaders discussed bilateral relations, as well as the situation in the Middle East. Putin described the situation in the region as “very tense.” He also expressed his hope that Russia and Israel would eventually find “solutions that would lead to the easing of tensions and would allow resolving heated conflicts.”

    It is not the first time that the Israeli prime minister compared the Islamic Republic to Hitler’s Germany. In December 2017, he already said that the Third Reich and Iran “do have… important things in common,” including “ruthless commitment to murder Jews.”

    The talks between Putin and Netanyahu took place just a day after US President Donald Trump announced the US withdrawal from the Iranian nuclear deal. The move was sharply criticized by Russia, as well as European and other countries. Moscow said that the US leader’s decision ultimately shows that the US is, in fact, incapable of conducting negotiations.

    Israel, however, was among the few nations that actually praised Trump’s decision. Netanyahu called it “brave and correct” immediately after the US president made his announcement. He also denounced the Iranian deal as “a recipe for disaster.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/426298-netan...ii-iran-nazis/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I would suggest a resolution signed by the UNSC + Germany's government and the UN Secretary, has more worldly weight, than any piece of paper the amerstani regime's bought and paid for officials have ever produced.

    But then ameristan, to me, is an unexceptional country populated by coolaid sodden scum.
    Trouble is wind bags in the UN, EU, German, French, UK leaders pumping out more hot air, will do nothing, but talk a good fight.

    The hard end of the Iranian sanctions is not plane sales and trade, but banking, Airbus can sell all the planes they want to Iran and get paid in Rial, US dollars will be out, banks that don't follow the sanctions will be seen by the US as breaking those sanctions.

    EU and friends can make as stand against the US by dropping out of the US dollar being the world reserve currency, not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ameristan, to me, is an unexceptional country
    But as per Obama, they are "exeptional".
    (Nobody can give you more than we can promise...)

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    ^^^ Putin's face says it all: "You serious? You fooking loony!"

    What was the outcome of UN Resolution 497 again?

    Trump needs to put some serious sanctions on Israel, but he won't because they're feeding him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Airbus can sell all the planes
    I'm not sure if they can. I believe that 'arry suggested many parts are licensed from ameristani companies and as such, the licence for Airbus to sell the planes with the bits on, can be revoked by BB's simple signature.

    Russia I believe has under 10% of the planes value attributed to amreistani licences so they can, I believe. But they have a much smaller offering.

    We shall see.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    banks that don't follow the sanctions will be seen by the US as breaking those sanctions.
    As we have seen ameristan will sanction all it can, allies or others.

    Whether EU will value ameristani markets or the Iranian/Russian/Chinese/Korean, remains to be proven by actions. At some stage the US$ may drop in it's desirability.

    It's "too early to say". (Zhou Enlai)

    -zhou_enlai-jpg

    Some have far longer timescales than the latest tweet or quarterly share price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    But as per Obama, they are "exeptional".
    "What makes us exceptional is not flouting international norms and the rule of law; it’s our willingness to affirm them through our actions. ”



    ameristani interpretation of "International norms" and "Kentucky/Wyoming/Texas law".

    amerstani law depends on which state has jurisdiction, so you can understand their belief that, a variance is there to choose from.

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    `It's about war and peace': Merkel urges restraint in Middle East
    10 May 2018

    AACHEN/BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron have called on Israel and Iran to exercise restraint in the Middle East to avoid further escalation of hostilities in the region, a German government spokesman said on Thursday.

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    In her speech, Merkel urged the European Union to improve its foreign and defense policy.

    “Let’s face it, Europe is still in its infancy with regard to the common foreign policy,” she said. The EU needed to adapt because the nature of international conflicts had changed since the Cold War, she said.

    “And it is no longer the case that the United States of America will simply protect us,” she said. “Instead, Europe has to take its destiny into its own hands. That is the task for the future.”

    Merkel said Germany had to step up its efforts and play a bigger role in order to achieve a peaceful solution in Syria.

    Macron echoed the call to flesh out Europe’s common foreign and defense policy. “We made the choice to build peace in the Middle East. Other powers ... haven’t kept their word,” Macron said, without naming a country directly.

    “We must succeed in building our own sovereignty, which in this region, will be the guarantor of stability,” he said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1IB1BF

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    ^Read a book long ago but can't remember the name. Three centers of power. The Americas, Europe and Asia all vying for world dominance.

    Are we rapidly approaching this state?

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    And people wonder why we are leaving the EU, and I'm sure many others throughout Europe will be horrified at Germany and France plan for an EU superstate with its own EU army.

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    Other powers ... haven’t kept their word,” Macron said, without naming a country directly
    So, his mission to his oncle Donald hasn't been accomplished...
    (Pity him, he had tried so much)

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    ^

    Russia's New Energy Gamble

    This is a recent map of how some see Eurasia. Two blocks of consumers, established Europe with growing SE Asia and one of energy producers, Russia and ME.

    -emap2204-jpg


    "
    Syria had never been considered important for Russian national interests, but in the new global landscape that would quickly change. After all, Syria was a critical issue for Turkey and Iran. The refugee crisis was affecting the European Union in powerful ways and China saw the Syrian corridor linking West and Central Asia to the Mediterranean as potentially decisive for the “Belt and Road” initiative, its project of trade and infrastructure development across the Eurasian supercontinent.
    With every other major actor reluctant to get involved in the Syrian civil war, Russia had an opening—not to solve the political and humanitarian crisis but to become the most important factor in any future solution.


    Once these initial elements were considered, more interesting possibilities started to appear. Between 2013 and 2015, the Russian economy had been under extreme pressure, not so much because of the sanctions imposed after the Ukraine crisis but as a result of the precipitous fall in energy prices. As a major oil and gas producer, Russia had neglected to prioritize energy geopolitics, paying a steep price for that. While China, highly dependent on inward energy flows, had spent decades extending its influence and leverage in Central Asia, Africa, and South America—preparing for all possibilities and diversifying energy supply routes—Russia knew it had more energy resources within its borders than it could ever need and customers were forever assured a more or less mechanical result of a growing and more balanced global economy. But that set of assumptions neglected how other producers can hit your interests by manipulating market prices.


    By 2015 the Kremlin was certain that the United States and Saudi Arabia were deliberately lowering oil market prices to squeeze Russia and Iran. With their budgets so highly dependent on oil revenues, Iran and Russia could be effectively pressured into limiting their expansionist agendas. One could even hope that they would become more inclined to abandon their nuclear ambitions, in the case of Iran, and aggressions against Ukraine, in the case of Russia.


    At the end of 2015, a 10 percent cut in public spending in Russia was the best evidence of the growing stress from the pincer movement of international sanctions and low energy prices in an economy that depends on crude at $100 a barrel. Faced with a direct challenge, Russia decided that the Middle East was now the arena where its future would be decided.

    One Map, Three Regions


    In October 2017, Rosneft Chief Executive Officer Igor Sechin took the unusual step of presenting a geopolitical report on the “ideals of Eurasian integration” to an audience in Verona, Italy. One of the maps projected on the screen during the presentation showed the supercontinent—what Russian circles call “Greater Eurasia”—as divided between three main regions. For Sechin, the crucial division is not between Europe and Asia, but between regions of energy consumption and regions of energy production. The former are organized on the western and eastern edges of the supercontinent: Europe, including Turkey, and the Asia Pacific, including India.


    Between them we find three regions of energy production: Russia and the Arctic, the Caspian, and the Middle East. Interestingly, the map does not break these three regions apart, preferring to draw a delimitation line around all three. They are contiguous, thus forming a single bloc, at least from a purely geographic perspective.

    Sechin’s map has a number of other interesting elements. As noted already, Turkey is left on the European side of the line delimiting the energy production core in the west. The same is true for Ukraine, which although unavoidable in this context is still an unusual inclusion in a map sanctioned by the highest echelons of Russian state power. If one looks at the world through the prism of energy geopolitics, then Ukraine is a European country—a consumer, not a producer."

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-energy-gamble


    https://www.rosneft.com/upload/site2...esentation.pdf
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