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    An official statement on Saudi-owned Al Arabiya television said: “Iran used economic gains from the lifting of sanctions to continue its activities to destablise the region, particularly by developing ballistic missiles and supporting terrorist groups in the region.”
    The Saudis have a bloody cheek accusing Iran of what they have been getting away with doing for a long time "particularly developing ballistic missiles and supporting terrorist groups in the region.” Add to that using chemical weapons, financing another countries nuke program along with close military ties so they have nukes available at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Should work out about as good as canceling ACA has.
    As usual Trump acts with no plan B. Problem is he is too stupid to realize his knee jerk actions to undo anything with a trace of Obama in it will isolate the US politically and economically from the rest of the world. Which overtime make America weak again, not strong.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Not the US, no, but expect lots more Trump Towers in Saudi and Israel.
    Saudis have already promised to to throw more oil on the market.

    The Russians are not too unhappy because the price of oil is creeping up slowly but surely. Putin is counting his rubels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    As usual Trump acts with no plan B. Problem is he is too stupid to realize his knee jerk actions to undo anything with a trace of Obama in it will isolate the US politically and economically from the rest of the world. Which overtime make America weak again, not strong.
    I'am certainly not a Trump fan but....

    The Chinese are finally giving in (dumb ass Europeans are a fine example on how NOT to deal with China)

    N. Korea might be ready to reunite thanks to strong sanktions and the support of China.

    The stock market is fine unemployment is low.

    Oil is going up great for Russia and the rest (this might be to hard to comprehend for some folks here)

    Germany will have to live up to its NATO promise and keep up its military spending (helps those Krauts not to blow their money for useless shit )

    By the way, Obama was clearly overrated. He praised Merkel for her refugee policy, but he build camps for illegal immigrants. Not to mention that black Americans are just as poor as before.

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    The Saudis have another reason to be pleased, more oil sales.
    Mnuchin said U.S. officials have had discussions with other countries about increasing production to offset the loss of oil from Iran. He did not say which countries, but Saudi Arabia has the greatest spare production capacity.
    Washington post.

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    ^^ Yeah, well. when the Iranians mine and embargo the straits of Hormuz then it's going to be a whole new ball game.

    Oil at 150$ a barrel is certainly going to see inflation rocket sending those markets crashing and the property owning sector bathed in fucking blood.

    OPEC 1973 here we go again.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The Chinese are finally giving in
    No they are not. They are benefiting in a couple areas. Dropping out of the TPP handed Asia/Pacific trade to them in a basket. Demilitaration on the Korean peninsula is exactly what the Chinese want. China, NK and SK made it happen. Trump played a minor role.

    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The stock market is fine unemployment is low
    The stock market and employment increases have been rising steadily for years. Trump has nothing to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Oil is going up great for Russia and the rest (this might be to hard to comprehend for some folks here)
    Oil has been on the rise for awhile. Russia and Saudi production cuts along with productiin cuts in Venezuela have been ths reason. Yes you are correct about Trump's backing out of the Iran nuk deal. Added about 10% to oil price.


    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Germany will have to live up to its NATO promise and keep up its military spending
    Yep. Credit Trump for making Germany pay it's 2% of GDP tithe. Been getting away with 1% for too long. Squandering money on health care, infrastructure and other useless crap. Pikers.

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    Trump is a smart fucker, he knows his political survival is linked to Israel and their support

    I bet there is a Mossad team 24/7 that watch over him for any major international scandal that could really expose him, see the Russian affair

    They can't lose their horse race in this new global war,

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    Mnuchin said U.S. officials have had discussions with other countries about increasing production to offset the loss of oil from Iran. He did not say which countries, but Saudi Arabia has the greatest spare production capacity.
    Not mentioning the spare capacity in Venezuela?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    three points about trump's announcement and signing today....

    1. at no point did he say that iran was not in compliance with the deal.
    Because it's not really about the nuclear deal. It's about destabilising Iran and regime change ... and the US wanting total world domination.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Being the Trump admin there is of course no evidence of any viable plan for an alternative either.
    They have a plan - to destabilise Iran and seek regime change.

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    The chief loser will be the country’s moderate president, Hassan Rouhani, who now looks weakened, foolish and burned for the risk he took in dealing with the Americans.
    From the NY Times.

    There it is "the risk he took dealing with the Americans" Cannot be trusted to keep their word.

    Kim who is supposed to be having talks with Trump will be taking careful note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    They have a plan - to destabilise Iran and seek regime change.
    That might be right.

    Read something earlier about the parallels between the claims and saber-rattling now and the whole Bush / WMD thing with Iraq.

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    Farther to dealing with America ;

    From https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/wor...ost_recent_box

    Antony Blinken, who was deputy secretary of state under Barack Obama, said the White House move "makes getting to yes with North Korea that much more challenging".

    "Why would Kim ... believe any commitments President Trump makes when he arbitrarily tears up an agreement with which the other party is complying?" he asked on Twitter.
    MIT political science professor Vipin Narang added: "Today is a stark reminder across the world: Deals are reversible and can have expiration dates, while nuclear weapons can offer lifetime insurance."
    Two weeks ago Trump's new national security advisor John Bolton said "We have very much in mind the Libya model," for the denuclearisation of North Korea.
    And what happened to Libya after they agreed to abandon plans for nukes?

    Beware paleface speak with forked tongue.

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    America will no doubt get their wish in regime change in Iran but it won't be the one they want, bye bye moderates and welcome back the hardliners. As always the US never thinks through its actions when comes to foreign policy unless of course their policy is just to cause destruction thousands of miles away from its own borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    America will no doubt get their wish in regime change in Iran but it won't be the one they want, bye bye moderates and welcome back the hardliners. As always the US never thinks through its actions when comes to foreign policy
    There you go. Spot on.

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    Trump's decision to ignore allies and advisers, made up reasons to justify his decision was nothing more than a TV drama to him. There's no plan B. It was a "look at me, I'm the man!" moment for him with literally no understanding of consequences.

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    We can and should blame Trump, but the main blame should be on the facilitators --the Republican party and the voters ,the American people who elected them.

    Its time for the Western Allies to stop slavishly following American policy ,if they want to ignore us then we should ignore them ,friendship is a two way street.

    For years they have irresponsibly toured the world causing worthless wars never on their own doorstep whilst pretending to care ,the only care they have are their own selfish

    interests.


    I say that with real sadness as the US can and has been a force or good in the world but it seems they have lost their way


    If they insist on isolationism then so be it

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    We should encourage US isolationism as that is how all empires eventually end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donald36 View Post
    We can and should blame Trump, but the main blame should be on the facilitators --the Republican party and the voters ,the American people who elected them.
    I'm wondering how a treaty, that was supposedly agreed to by the majority in the Senate can be shit canned by the President on a whim?

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    my understanding (and i welcome a correction if wrong)...

    when it was passed, it included the language that the president must certify every 90 days that iran is in compliance.

    yesterday trump refused to certify...even though he never said that iran wasn't in compliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
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    my understanding (and i welcome a correction if wrong)...

    when it was passed, it included the language that the president must certify every 90 days that iran is in compliance.

    yesterday trump refused to certify...even though he never said that iran wasn't in compliance.
    And as recently as 10 days ago the IAO confirmed IRAN was in compliance.
    They have kept their part of the deal 100%.
    The documents the jew recently unveiled as evidence that they weren't, in fact only proved they WERE in compliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    when it was passed, it included the language that the president must certify every 90 days that iran is in compliance.
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post

    Beware paleface speak with forked tongue.
    they always did, after all they are the descendants of the treacherous 2 face British

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^
    my understanding (and i welcome a correction if wrong)...

    when it was passed, it included the language that the president must certify every 90 days that iran is in compliance.

    yesterday trump refused to certify...even though he never said that iran wasn't in compliance.
    actually we don't need Trump to keep the deal since it was a multi-party agreement,

    however the sanctions and the stupidity of the US treasury under the direct control of the POTUS is the reason why everyone is mad with Trump

    The Euros are still trying to save the deal and hope Trump will be back to the negotiating table, so not all is over

    it's just the stupid and racist Israelis putting a lot of international pressure, and Trump is the weak link, they probably have copies of "Golden" tapes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    actually we don't need Trump to keep the deal since it was a multi-party agreement,
    let's see what happens to the airbus deal with iran.

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