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    Mackie, Mackie, back in town...

    Another my thread has disappeared within minutes?

    So, that's a real censorship. Where are we?

    Former governor Mikheil Saakashvili 'forces entry' to Ukraine

    Former governor Mikheil Saakashvili 'forces entry' to Ukraine - BBC News

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    Well this ones BBC so maybe they like or no like BBC, what're you think.?

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    Perhaps because it does not belong in Speakers but in WORLD NEWS you fucking moron.

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    Ex-Leader, Now a Man Without a Country, Surfaces in Ukraine
    Sept 10, 2017

    Mikheil Saakashvili, a former president of Georgia, finds himself in an unusual position for a former head of state: He is stateless, and spent Sunday trying to enter a country that does not want him, first by train, then by bus and finally on foot with a crowd of supporters who forced open the border into Ukraine.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/10/w...-ukraine.html?

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    What's he trying to achieve by entering Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    What's he trying to achieve by entering Ukraine?
    Perhaps bringing a message from his friend John McCain...
    (and/or asking to get his passport back - in his home land he is facing serious criminal charges and warrant)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    What's he trying to achieve by entering Ukraine?
    He doesn't know.

    His modus operandus is to post shit he doesn't understand and hope someone will explain it to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    What's he trying to achieve by entering Ukraine?
    He doesn't know.

    His modus operandus is to post shit he doesn't understand and hope someone will explain it to him.
    Someone so kind like Harry

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    I do my best as ^ well, for the many who are in the same boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke
    Perhaps bringing a message from his friend John McCain...
    If he's a friend of McCain he's bound to be an utter cvnt

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    Relations with the United States are good, but are complicated by Saakashvili's "volatile" behaviour. Former and current U.S. officials characterize the Georgian president as "difficult to manage". They criticize his "risky moves", moves that have often "caught the U.S. unprepared" while leaving it "exposed diplomatically".[31]

    Saakashvili's ties with the U.S. go back to 1991 (see Early life and career). Biographies of Thomas Jefferson and John F. Kennedy can be found in his office, next to biographies of Joseph Stalin and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and books on war. Seeking U.S. support, Saakashvili went outside the United States Department of State and established contacts with Sen. John McCain and forces seeking NATO expansion.[31]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili

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    double post

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    Did McCain Help Bait Russia into Georgia?
    09/17/2008

    Now that the dust is settling the big question about the dust-up in Georgia remains: Why was Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili so stupid to start this war?

    There are a couple of theories. One is Saakashvili was under the mistaken impression the US military, even NATO, would intervene if Russia fought back after Georgia entered the breakaway province of South Ossetia on 7-8 August, devastating Tskhinvali, and according to Moscow, killing a number of Russian peacekeepers.

    The US stood on the sidelines when Russia indeed punished Georgia. Georgian civilians at first told Western reporters they were angry at America for not coming to their aid. Then several days later many started to blame Saakashvili for creating such a mess.

    It seems hard to imagine he would have tried to seize South Ossetia if he were not led to believe he had American backing. According to Vitaly Churkin, Russia’s UN ambassador, joint US-Georgian military exercises code-named Immediate Response ended just hours before Georgian troops moved into the province.

    Churkin says the Americans gave Saakashvili a “green light.” But there was no immediate response from the United States.

    It looks like Saakashvili and Russia were both set up.

    By eliciting a heavy-handed Russian response, American political leaders, and their mouthpieces in the corporate media, can blame Russia and revive misplaced Cold War analogies. They falsely portray Russia as the brutal aggressor, bent on violently overthrowing the Georgian regime, with Ukraine and others to follow.

    Condoleezza Rice called Russia’s intervention the new 1968 Soviet intervention in Czechoslovakia. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Barack Obama’s chief foreign policy adviser, compared it to the Soviet invasion of Finland. Right wing radio hosts are rabid about the new Russian “threat.” The New York Times writes about Russia’s supposed challenge to democracies.

    Who benefits most from painting this a revival of Soviet-era aggression?

    John McCain.

    The Georgian crisis has created a campaign issue McCain can run on. McCain’s best chance to win, unless Obama self-destructs, is to portray himself as the Cold War-era war hero ready to do battle again against our old Cold War adversary. McCain is yesterday’s man, so revive yesterday’s “threat.” He stood up to Russia while his opponent was out fishing in Hawaii.

    Did McCain Help Bait Russia into Georgia? | HuffPost

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    John McCain threatens to block Trump's deputy defense secretary nominee over Ukraine

    Sen. John McCain on Tuesday threatened to block President Trump's deputy defense secretary nominee during a tense exchange over providing weapons to Ukraine.

    McCain took issue with Boeing executive Pat Shanahan's written response to the Senate Armed Services Committee that he would need to take a look at equipping Ukrainian allies with lethal arms, something McCain has long advocated.

    Shanahan, a vice president who helped improve Boeing's troubled 787 Dreamliner program, changed his earlier submitted answer under McCain's withering questioning.

    "I support equipping the Ukrainians," he told the Arizona Republican.

    McCain continued with the line of questioning, still not satisfied.

    "Not a good beginning, not a good beginning," McCain said. "Do not do that again, Mr. Shanahan, or I will not take your name up for a vote before this committee. Am I perfectly clear?"

    Shanahan responded by simply saying "very clear."

    John McCain threatens to block Trump's deputy defense secretary nominee over Ukraine

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    ‘Ukraine revolution turning incredibly sour’

    Published time: 11 Sep, 2017

    The fact Mikhail Saakashvili played a prominent role in Ukrainian politics shows the disarray in Ukraine, explains journalist Martin Summers. The economy is in free fall, and the potential of joining NATO might spark further war in the country, he added.
    The former Georgian President and Governor of Odessa Mikhail Saakashvili has illegally crossed the Ukrainian border with the help of supporters.
    Saakashvili recently became stateless, after having his Ukrainian citizenship revoked by President Petro Poroshenko. The Ukrainian police say he will now face criminal charges.

    RT: What do you think happened between the current Ukrainian leadership and Saakashvili? Has he fallen out of Poroshenko’s favor, and why?

    Martin Summers: …They don’t get on at all, and [Saakashvili] lost his citizenship. It is hard to see why he fell out. He claimed it was corruption going on. He was being blocked by the government in Kiev. It is hard to know who is right and who is wrong about that. It is probably the worst corruption going on. Saakashvili himself is wanted for corruption in Georgia, as we know. Of course, the danger of him coming back like this is that the Ukrainian authorities, who’ve fallen out with him, might extradite him back to Georgia to face trial there. So he is taking a bit of a risk by trying to come back into the country. They are obviously not on the same page at the moment.

    The politics in current Ukraine are very opaque. You’ve got a lot of oligarchs of various kinds jostling for position. The economy itself is in a terrible state. They don’t know what to do about it. The population has not had much joy from this revolution – let’s put it that way.

    RT: How did it happen that both Poroshenko and Saakashvili, being two US darlings, are now at loggerheads? In 2014 Saakashvili supported the Maidan revolution that brought Poroshenko to power.

    MS: US darlings can fall out with each other. It is may be that the US has decided that Poroshenko is going to be thrown under the bus and Saakashvili is being used as a pawn to try and bring that about. Saakashvili has got a track record for being a loose cannon in his own right anyway. People may remember him eating his tie on television in Georgia when he started the war in Ossetia. He is a bit of a dangerous clown.

    RT: What do you make of Saakashvili’s personality, given that after being a resident of one country, he gave up his native citizenship in favor of another? Yet now he's left without any?

    MS: He lost his Georgian citizenship, he lost his Ukrainian citizenship. If he comes back in Ukraine, he might be extradited to Georgia. Or he may just have to go back Poland and hang around there in a stateless way. I don’t know how this is going to play out. It’s all a game of cat and mouse, isn’t it?

    RT: How was it even possible that Saakashvili was given such an important role in Ukraine? What does it say about the Ukrainian state of affairs in the recent years?

    MS: It is very odd that he played such a big role in Ukrainian politics since he isn’t Ukrainian and had been given the governorship of the Odessa, which is a key region, especially since it has got a large Russian population. He was parachuted in by the Western powers. I think what is going on – it just shows in what disarray Ukrainian politics are. The revolution is turning incredibly sour – nobody really knows what to do next. The economy is in free fall, they are not going to be joining the EU anytime soon. They are talking about joining NATO – but all that will do is potentially spark further war...The government in Kiev is very weak. The population is very unhappy. The war has been a failure in every possible way you can imagine. I don’t see a very good future for Ukraine, unless there is a change in the geopolitical situation, which allows the situations to stabilize so their Russian neighbors and their Western neighbors can cooperate better, so they can cooperate better. But I am not holding my breath.


    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/402929-georgia-ukraine-saakashvili-illegal/

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