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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    That's 20 million Brits you dolt. Christ, is there no fucking end to your stupidity?
    The annual loss to GDP from a WTO crash-out is around £40-£60 billions, you bell end knobhead.
    Are those figures guesswork, supposition, or project fear baubles? The fact is, you just don't know, because it hasn't happened yet, and the circumstances of leaving are not known.
    Seriously you don't half make up loads of shit. I bet you did exactly the same in the CS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    and as predicted, the Queen is being involved

    Brexit: Scheme to block no deal 'could involve Queen'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49040128

    Senior Tories seeking to block a no-deal Brexit are examining a radical plan involving the Queen, Newsnight has learned.

    Highly placed figures in the rebel group are so concerned that the next prime minister could ignore the will of parliament that they have discussed a scheme to ask the Queen to intervene.

    In a sign of the febrile atmosphere at Westminster, these Conservatives are thinking of holding a vote on a parliamentary device known as a humble address to the Queen.

    If passed, the address would say that if the new prime minister ignored a vote rejecting no deal the Queen would be asked to exercise her right as head of state to travel to the next EU summit. Under their plan she would then request an extension to the Article 50 process.

    Under EU rules, member states are usually represented at meetings of the European Council by a head of state or a head of government. The Queen is the UK's head of state, though it is understood that no European monarch has ever formally represented their country at an EU summit.
    Any attempt to drag a 93yr-old monarch into this would result in unmitigated disaster. Get real, could even you see her on an EU jaunt begging for an extension, or anything else?

    Boris is committed to leaving by 31 Oct, with a deal, without a backstop/CU, without time to negotiate a deal against an EU that have rejected further talks, without proroguing, and without compounding his failure by attempting to involve the Queen.

    I would say slight odds against, and for the hopeful I would add a couple of points for him winning a majority under the cloud of abject failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Are those figures guesswork, supposition, or project fear baubles? The fact is, you just don't know, because it hasn't happened yet, and the circumstances of leaving are not known.
    Seriously you don't half make up loads of shit. I bet you did exactly the same in the CS.
    According to most industry-wide surveys in the banking and Building society savings sector around 16 million in the UK have savings of £100 or less and another 5 million have less than £500 and so any increase in inflation and borrowing rates will have a particularly adverse effect upon those on fixed low incomes which are subject to pay rises, if they get any that is, which invariably are less than the prevailing inflation rate. The markets are building into their forecast a continuing decline in sterling's value on BoJo the Clown's election and foresee it achieving parity, or near parity, with the US$ if Britain crashes out without a deal and if a border returns to NI destroying the GFA. That will inevitably mean an immediate hike in inflation of at least 2-3% making the prevailing current rate increase from 2% to 5%.

    The austerity regime following the banking default crash of 2008 reduced real earnings by 8% in eight years but the economy grew due to the UK's resilience in world and EU markets. The traumatic cessation of all our socio-economic protocols that have been melded with those of the EU, and perforce the world, over the past 45 years will engender a contraction in the economy not seen since the Great Depression, the impact of which will have lasting consequences for those on the margins of stability i.e those with no savings and unable to absorb loss of earnings or income. The consensus is that the UK will enter a cycle of stagflation which means unemployment, reduced revenue from taxes, a contraction in growth and increased borrowings to fund welfare which will bear heavily on the £'s value which will decline further fuelling more inflation.

    You of course are an ill-educated idiot without the capacity to think for yourself or to gauge the impact of forces far beyond your meagre intelligence to comprehend, and therefore you are unable to extrapolate data from that which is freely available in the public domain and draw significant inferences.

    That is why you are an ignorant and rather stupid oik.

    Ok?
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    Secret EU drive to woo Boris Johnson into compromise

    Five nations in contact with Johnson’s team as Irish deputy PM says: ‘Let’s avert catastrophe’

    EU countries are secretly wooing Boris Johnson in a bid to thrash out a new Brexit plan that would avoid a no-deal disaster as he prepares to take over as prime minister this week.

    Senior Irish politicians and diplomats have held peace talks with two of Johnson’s cabinet allies in recent days.

    German and French figures, as well as the Dutch and Belgian governments, have also established contacts with Johnson’s team and signalled an intention to do a deal.

    In an article today for The Sunday Times, Simon Coveney, Ireland’s deputy prime minister and minister for foreign affairs, indicates that Dublin is prepared to compromise.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...mise-l8mcq5nzw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    According to most industry-wide surveys in the banking and Building society savings sector around 16 million in the UK have savings of £100 or less and another 5 million have less than £500 and so any increase in inflation and borrowing rates will have a particularly adverse effect upon those on fixed low incomes which are subject to pay rises, if they get any that is, which invariably are less than the prevailing inflation rate. The markets are building into their forecast a continuing decline in sterling's value on BoJo the Clown's election and foresee it achieving parity, or near parity, with the US$ if Britain crashes out without a deal and if a border returns to NI destroying the GFA. That will inevitably mean an immediate hike in inflation of at least 2-3% making the prevailing current rate increase from 2% to 5%.

    The austerity regime following the banking default crash of 2008 reduced real earnings by 8% in eight years but the economy grew due to the UK's resilience in world and EU markets. The traumatic cessation of all our socio-economic protocols that have been melded with those of the EU, and perforce the world, over the past 45 years will engender a contraction in the economy not seen since the Great Depression, the impact of which will have lasting consequences for those on the margins of stability i.e those with no savings and unable to absorb loss of earnings or income. The consensus is that the UK will enter a cycle of stagflation which means unemployment, reduced revenue from taxes, a contraction in growth and increased borrowings to fund welfare which will bear heavily on the £'s value which will decline further fuelling more inflation.

    You of course are an ill-educated idiot without the capacity to think for yourself or to gauge the impact of forces far beyond your meagre intelligence to comprehend, and therefore you are unable to extrapolate data from that which is freely available in the public domain and draw significant inferences.

    That is why you are an ignorant and rather stupid oik.

    Ok?
    You're certainly prolific, and obsessed, but no comment on smarts. You pluck numbers out of the ether pimping the false though popular notion of what a crashout actually means, exaggerate consequences to a situation that nobody but you can predict, and brush aside trivial reminders that you're building upon a worst case and virtually impossible scenario.

    Enough long winded nonsense about the UK/£ meltdown; the £ is already discounted by 10-15%, and while there is always a downside to every currency, stock or commodity, this discount allows for most everything short of two fantasies - your obsession founded on the false premise of a literal no deal, and the spectre of a Corbyn gov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    According to most industry-wide surveys in the banking and Building society savings sector around 16 million in the UK have savings of £100 or less and another 5 million have less than £500 and so any increase in inflation and borrowing rates will have a particularly adverse effect upon those on fixed low incomes which are subject to pay rises, if they get any that is, which invariably are less than the prevailing inflation rate. The markets are building into their forecast a continuing decline in sterling's value on BoJo the Clown's election and foresee it achieving parity, or near parity, with the US$ if Britain crashes out without a deal and if a border returns to NI destroying the GFA. That will inevitably mean an immediate hike in inflation of at least 2-3% making the prevailing current rate increase from 2% to 5%.

    The austerity regime following the banking default crash of 2008 reduced real earnings by 8% in eight years but the economy grew due to the UK's resilience in world and EU markets. The traumatic cessation of all our socio-economic protocols that have been melded with those of the EU, and perforce the world, over the past 45 years will engender a contraction in the economy not seen since the Great Depression, the impact of which will have lasting consequences for those on the margins of stability i.e those with no savings and unable to absorb loss of earnings or income. The consensus is that the UK will enter a cycle of stagflation which means unemployment, reduced revenue from taxes, a contraction in growth and increased borrowings to fund welfare which will bear heavily on the £'s value which will decline further fuelling more inflation.

    You of course are an ill-educated idiot without the capacity to think for yourself or to gauge the impact of forces far beyond your meagre intelligence to comprehend, and therefore you are unable to extrapolate data from that which is freely available in the public domain and draw significant inferences.

    That is why you are an ignorant and rather stupid oik.

    Ok?
    This is why you are hopeless in a debate. There is no consensus, it's simply big business preparing for a worst vase scenario. You tactfully forget to mention that savers would benefit from higher interest rates, and as previously pointed out, nothing has happened yet.

    Quote "the economy grew due to UK resilience"

    Of course that could never happen again could it, sigh

    You bitching and painting everything in the blackest possible terms, is the action of a bitter and deluded old fool. The chances of you ever being impartial is the same as the Queen getting involved.

    You don't think too much, but you do talk too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Are those figures guesswork, supposition, or project fear baubles? The fact is, you just don't know, because it hasn't happened yet, and the circumstances of leaving are not known.
    Lemming approach?

    It is not known how much damage Brexit will cause and how long it will take to recover but there is no question that Brexit will cause damage. The very thought of it has already caused problems and that is pretty obvious to see with the 20% drop in the pound.


    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You tactfully forget to mention that savers would benefit from higher interest rates,
    Er he did, by mentioning how little savings many people currently have. In turn you failed to mention how higher inflation will affect mortgage repayments.

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    Who keeps savings in cash anyway with pathetic interest rates? Savers have been raped for over a decade hence people dont keep their loot in cash so the figures while maybe true arent a reflection of peoples net worth or availability to access funds, most stocks, shares, bonds etc can be sold with you having the money in your bank in 2 working days, while not instant access like cash I'm sure most people can survive 2 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Secret EU drive to woo Boris Johnson into compromise

    Five nations in contact with Johnson’s team as Irish deputy PM says: ‘Let’s avert catastrophe’

    EU countries are secretly wooing Boris Johnson in a bid to thrash out a new Brexit plan that would avoid a no-deal disaster as he prepares to take over as prime minister this week.

    Senior Irish politicians and diplomats have held peace talks with two of Johnson’s cabinet allies in recent days.

    German and French figures, as well as the Dutch and Belgian governments, have also established contacts with Johnson’s team and signalled an intention to do a deal.

    In an article today for The Sunday Times, Simon Coveney, Ireland’s deputy prime minister and minister for foreign affairs, indicates that Dublin is prepared to compromise.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...mise-l8mcq5nzw
    As many of us said all along; the EU's hand is empty, just telling them to fuk off will bring them inline.

    If I was Boris, I'd not accept their 1st, 2nd or 3rd offers, wait until we are close to the deadline, and just hope the spineless MPs/lords don't torpedo our efforts to get the best deal for Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    As many of us said all along; the EU's hand is empty,
    Many of you apparently still fail to understand that the EU is not so much about money as it is about keeping together and avoiding another catastrophic conflict. The budget is more about improving poorer countries and bringing them up to a common standard. This will simply take longer without the UK.

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    According to most industry-wide surveys in the banking and Building society savings sector around 16 million in the UK have savings of £100 or less and another 5 million have less than £500 and so any increase
    those stats are utter and complete nonsense.

    many people in the uk have multiple bank accounts in order to take advantage of the debit card and interest rate sweeteners offered by the banks to attract customers.


    my day to day debit card account purposely has less than 500 in it and is topped up weekly from my main account to 500. that debit card account will be included in those misleading statistics.

    its fake news s.a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    As many of us said all along; the EU's hand is empty, just telling them to fuk off will bring them inline.

    If I was Boris, I'd not accept their 1st, 2nd or 3rd offers, wait until we are close to the deadline, and just hope the spineless MPs/lords don't torpedo our efforts to get the best deal for Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    those stats are utter and complete nonsense.

    many people in the uk have multiple bank accounts in order to take advantage of the debit card and interest rate sweeteners offered by the banks to attract customers.


    my day to day debit card account purposely has less than 500 in it and is topped up weekly from my main account to 500. that debit card account will be included in those misleading statistics.

    its fake news s.a.
    you think those stats are not adjusted for that? jesus christ, you chavs might be unable to count to 100, but stats agencies do know what they are doing when it's about getting the right numbers


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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The budget is more about improving poorer countries and bringing them up to a common standard.
    I would ask the Greeks their opinion on whether that is working or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Many of you apparently still fail to understand that the EU is not so much about money as it is about keeping together and avoiding another catastrophic conflict. The budget is more about improving poorer countries and bringing them up to a common standard. This will simply take longer without the UK.
    Troy, that is simply ridiculous. The EU has absolutely zero to do with improving poorer countries, it is to do with power, control and wealth generation for the 'elites'.

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    Brexit: Irish deputy PM hopes backstop will be 'unnecessary'
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49060801

    Ireland wants a relationship between the UK and EU that makes the so-called backstop unnecessary, the country's deputy prime minister has said.

    Writing in the Sunday Times, Simon Coveney said he looked forward to working with the new UK prime minister, who takes office on Wednesday.

    But he said the withdrawal agreement reached between the UK and the EU was not up for renegotiation.

    He also said a no-deal Brexit would "devastate" Northern Ireland's economy.

    The backstop, included in the withdrawal agreement negotiated by Prime Minister Theresa May and the EU, is designed as an insurance policy to prevent a hard border on the island of Ireland after Brexit.

    But the withdrawal agreement was rejected three times by MPs in the Commons, with the backstop a key sticking point among Brexiteers.

    The two men vying to become the next prime minister, Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, have said the backstop is "dead" - a position seen as increasing the likelihood of a no-deal Brexit.

    In his article, Mr Coveney seeks to reassure MPs critical of the measure that he hopes it will not be necessary.

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    can't wait for September for the last season of this shitshow with Boris in the lead role

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ireland wants a relationship between the UK and EU that makes the so-called backstop unnecessary, the country's deputy prime minister has said.

    But he said the withdrawal agreement reached between the UK and the EU was not up for renegotiation.


    In his article, Mr Coveney seeks to reassure MPs critical of the measure that he hopes it will not be necessary.


    So MPs have to somehow be reassured that Coveney's hopes that the backstop will not be necessary means something other than just hot air and "hope".

    If nothng has changed or will change, I suspect the MPs' views on the backstop will not change. But cyrille might know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Troy, that is simply ridiculous. The EU has absolutely zero to do with improving poorer countries, it is to do with power, control and wealth generation for the 'elites'.
    Obviously you are one of the many that don't understand how the EU budget is spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    I would ask the Greeks their opinion on whether that is working or not.
    The Greek crisis was caused by the Greeks, a populist Greek government to be more specific. I imagine the UK would fail in a similar fashion if populist views were pursued...Oh! hang on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The Greek crisis was caused by the Greeks, a populist Greek government to be more specific. I imagine the UK would fail in a similar fashion if populist views were pursued...Oh! hang on...
    Erm you have that back to front, the populist government was elected because of the crisis caused by the previous government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Obviously you are one of the many that don't understand how the EU budget is spent.
    Do you live in some alternate reality, the new president has said she wants more centralisation, more powers for Brussels in things like defence and tax raising powers. Ireland is going to be fucked when it is no longer able to attract the US tech giants due to having to raise the corporation tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Erm you have that back to front, the populist government was elected because of the crisis caused by the previous government.
    NO you simply haven't gone back far enough to understand the origins of the Greek problem. Think back to the PASOK Party and its promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Do you live in some alternate reality, the new president has said she wants more centralisation, more powers for Brussels in things like defence and tax raising powers.
    Over 70% of the EU budget is spent on creating growth and reducing economic gaps. Go look it up...

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