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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    A new face doesn't make the problems disappear, the problems of a divided country and parliament are still there.
    The parliament has to approve the exit and of all the alternative they got to vote for this spring there was only one which got the majority of votes and that was no hard brexit.
    exactly, no British PM will have the courage (we are talking Tories here) to go for that option against the will of the UK parliament, the true voice of the people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    it's the default EU option, but if you think no PM will come begging for another extension after feeling the pressure from the UK Parliament and other cabinet members, then you are clearly living in lala land like Chass in his bed full of old piss
    What are you talking about, I didn't want the current extension, if was up to me we would be out already. I was just explaining to lom how things stand legally and the only ways to stop no deal. If another extension is asked for and its refused then it's quite simply no deal or revoke A50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    exactly, no British PM will have the courage (we are talking Tories here) to go for that option against the will of the UK parliament, the true voice of the people
    Boris said in Switzerland today we leave in October deal or no deal and he is the front runner to be PM. There is some hope yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Boris said in Switzerland today we leave in October deal or no deal and he is the front runner to be PM. There is some hope yet.
    he will say anything to be PM, exactly like Theresa May did

    you cant believe any words of what they say, that's exactly the problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    What are you talking about, I didn't want the current extension, if was up to me we would be out already. I was just explaining to lom how things stand legally and the only ways to stop no deal. If another extension is asked for and its refused then it's quite simply no deal or revoke A50.
    right, but Merkel doesn't want no deal, your parliament doesnt want no deal, and last time I checked, your parliament holds the true power of decision, so no deal is NEVER going to happen, no matter who is the head of the cabinet

    like I told you, only an act from the Queen could change that outcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    like I told you, only an act from the Queen could change that outcome
    Rumor has she is contemplating resignation and moving to Thailand where royalty is treated with the utmost respect. The cost of mandatory health insurance is not a consideration for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    he will say anything to be PM, exactly like Theresa May did

    you cant believe any words of what they say, that's exactly the problem
    The next pm has only one option. Tell the stinking EU, and the terminal idiot butterfluffer that UK is leaving, with or without a deal.
    The ball is in their court, up to them to save the cash cow that is the UK.

    Nothing to vote on because we know the slimy undemocratic fuckers won’t back down, and UK has plenty of time to prep for no deal, and the EU is fucked into taking all the blame. Hahahahaha

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    Boris Johnson will be the next MP to cement the special relationship with Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    What next? PM Johnson and a no deal exit I bet.
    Not much fond of Boris meself, due to the minor fact that he's an imbecile.

    How about Esther McVey? She is saying the 31st October is the end of it, the date won't be moved and we'll prepare for a WTO leave on October 31st; leaving with no deal is the default position. Before then, the EU is welcome to remove the backstop and talk about a deal that suits both parties.

    She has been very clear, and seems like a more intelligent individual than Boris (not a difficult task); she also has the voice and manner that could garner some traditional Labour voters to her cause if a general election comes about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Boris said in Switzerland today we leave in October deal or no deal and he is the front runner to be PM. There is some hope yet.
    Boris is both a vane and a coward but I doubt that he is so stupid that if he becomes PM will take the responsibility for leaving EU without a deal.
    He won't let that happen on his watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    I doubt that he is so stupid
    How very gracious and generous of you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    No Brexit without Farage and he's basically caused the end of Cameron and now Doris. As I've said only way Tories can save themselves now is to elect a Brexiteer who will deliver, ideally Boris but Raab or Mcvey will suffice.
    Good news for the country regardless of what happens with Brexit, as her resignation puts paid to the 0.000001% chance Labour ever had of getting in under Corbyn.

    Still, I don't suppose they or our resident dummies will pick up on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you are dreaming. No PM will take that legal and moral responsibility, it's like voting to go NK style.

    The best you can hope is the Brexit discussion will last for another 10 years, with 2 EU elections in between

    Mark my words, Brexit will NOT happen, ever !!!
    Agree in part, and the extensions were hers under executive power not needing support or consultation with anyone else, so quite simply Brexit never could have happened during the watch of a purchased/motivated Remainer with the authority to prevent it. And hopefully the people know that, now.

    Disagree with the second bit, since not only Brexit but Frexit, Grexit and all the other exits will happen during that period you mentioned, simply because 10 years from now there will be no EU without serious reforms which will not happen under current leaderships, attitudes and mindset for full integration.

    No substantial change means byebye EU, and it won't be pretty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    right, but Merkel doesn't want no deal, your parliament doesnt want no deal, and last time I checked, your parliament holds the true power of decision, so no deal is NEVER going to happen, no matter who is the head of the cabinet

    like I told you, only an act from the Queen could change that outcome
    Hopefully the 'deal' (aka legally binding unconditional surrender Treaty dictated by Frau, delivered by Juncker and pimped by May) can now be binned. Would be nice though a stretch in these times, for BoJo to offer a politician proof declaration that there will be no further extension, thereby committing us by 31Oct to either get a significantly better deal from Frau or take the legal default of a no deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    I doubt that he is so stupid that if he becomes PM will take the responsibility for leaving EU without a deal.
    He won't let that happen on his watch.
    Fuck a duck...where have you been for the last three years?

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    Too many obstacles for this notion to ever be realised, but a fascinating concept if our next glorious leader had the balls to offer a legitimate Ref2 with the following options:

    1 - Leave the EU immediately with no deal (no more talk, no money to the EU except for known obligations, simply walk away and thereafter negotiate each of the remaining few though substantial unsettled items)

    2 - Accept the EU's deal.

    Sudden death, one happens or the other, and there ends the Brexit saga.

    This hands the ball firmly to Brussels (Berlin), gives the EU (Frau) an opportunity to construct the fairest deal they (she) is prepared to offer, and then the country votes on which to accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Rumor has she is contemplating resignation and moving to Thailand where royalty is treated with the utmost respect. The cost of mandatory health insurance is not a consideration for her.
    I enjoy your succinct replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    an opportunity to construct the fairest deal they (she) is prepared to offer,
    And waste another 4 years.

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    And BoJo the Buffoon is off and running having made the startling and hitherto unforeseen declaration that Britain will be living the EU with or without a deal by Halloween.
    Many imagined it couldn't get worse, but I rather think we've seen nothin' yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Not much fond of Boris meself, due to the minor fact that he's an imbecile.

    How about Esther McVey? She is saying the 31st October is the end of it, the date won't be moved and we'll prepare for a WTO leave on October 31st; leaving with no deal is the default position. Before then, the EU is welcome to remove the backstop and talk about a deal that suits both parties.

    She has been very clear, and seems like a more intelligent individual than Boris (not a difficult task); she also has the voice and manner that could garner some traditional Labour voters to her cause if a general election comes about.

    Err, she's a liar, a cheat and has difficulty in constructing more than a paragraph extemporaneously without solecism. She's a Wirral suburban drag-up who shagged her way into television and added a bit of glam for the Tory Scousers until she got booted out because she is a cvunt.

    Perfect leader for the Tories but a poor PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    And BoJo the Buffoon is off and running having made the startling and hitherto unforeseen declaration that Britain will be living the EU with or without a deal by Halloween.
    Many imagined it couldn't get worse, but I rather think we've seen nothin' yet.
    That statement might have cost Boris the leadership he so desperately seeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    And waste another 4 years.
    Why so? Ref2 date is set, the EU (Frau) has that time to offer their (her) best deal, then we decide and the House is legally bound to implement the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    And BoJo the Buffoon is off and running having made the startling and hitherto unforeseen declaration that Britain will be living the EU with or without a deal by Halloween.
    Many imagined it couldn't get worse, but I rather think we've seen nothin' yet.
    I rather think that's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    That statement might have cost Boris the leadership he so desperately seeks.
    The issue for Boris same as it's always been is getting to the last 2 as many of his colleagues dislike him, he does get to the last 2 and he wins by a landslide due to his popularity with the membership. If the Tories want to win the next election or at least have a chance then have to go with Boris, pick a remainer or still in the EU come end of October then wipeout time. The Euro elections will show what can happen, roll on Sunday night when get results as one poll is showing that the Tories have possibly suffered a total wipe out and will have 0 MEP.

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