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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Doris is the problem, the EU offered a free trade deal at the start of negotiations which she rejected. Canada + or Norway + or whatever they called it at the time forget which. That would probably have got through parliament back then but now she has dug in so deep with her clusterfuk deal and alienated everyone from all sides of the argument she needs to go, she needed to go last year.
    It's not a deal, or hers, but a surrender Treaty owned by Fray Merkel; all May did was take dictation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Anyone know if May has the authority as PM to revoke A50 without consultation or support? If she does have the authority, I reckon she might well do it as her final act of betrayal before saying fcuk you and leaping into the EU (or UN) trough.
    Would need an act of Parliament as already in law we leave so she couldn't just wake up this morning with a hangover from hell and decide to do it on her own.

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    fufu did you vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    British steel is failing, in part because we are unable to use British made steel (British jobs...) for British war ships, due to the EU tender rules. &, due to various other EU regulations, it's difficult to pay the 75 million (quite a small amount) to save these many thousands of jobs. It's a disgrace.
    indeed, ridiculous. Incidentally, British Steel is a hot topic now in France, because they were buying out a local steel shop, ASCOVAL, that Macron said would save a lot of needed jobs. Now it all blows up to his face 3 days before the vote. Big meeting this morning to save ASCOVAL and British Steel executives are not even showing up despite confirming they will buy ASCOVAL in the middle of their own bankruptcy proceedings. Completely surreal.

    The EU needs to protect their economic frontiers, we are the only economic bloc that doesn't. It's ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Will do, the Brexit party could possibly win more seats than Merkels CDU making it the largest party in the Euro parliament. Obviously that becomes a bit irrelevant though when only 25 seats out of a 700 seat parliament but let's see how anti EU parties do across the whole of the EU and the make up of the next parliament could be quite interesting. Le Pen still leading in Frogsville?
    LePen is crushing Macron, and with the round of bad news with brexit, ASCOVAL, British Steel not showing up at government meetings, Macron might go from 20% to 15% vote, while LePen is hedging toward 25% and possibly more. I think she will get 30% at the end. Can't wait for Sunday results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Anyone know if May has the authority as PM to revoke A50 without consultation or support? If she does have the authority, I reckon she might well do it as her final act of betrayal before saying fcuk you and leaping into the EU (or UN) trough.
    I think she does have that authority actually, will she do it and create a complete political meltdown? don't think she would be that foolish, but again we underestimated her before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I think she does have that authority actually, will she do it and create a complete political meltdown? don't think she would be that foolish, but again we underestimated her before
    Not sure about this, but I believe it could only be done with the collective responsibility of her cabinet.
    The ones who are queueing up to turn on her and resign over ref 2.
    No cabinet support, no authority. Wait and see.

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    she is the head of the cabinet, she can claim what she wants, they are civil servants, they will follow their boss to the ravin

    apparently her plan was to call a ref2, hilarious, and a bit too late, she tangled herself in her own party contradictions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I think she does have that authority actually, will she do it and create a complete political meltdown? don't think she would be that foolish, but again we underestimated her before
    I thought it was under her authority to do so, even before announcing it. If so, imho it's the best thing she could do, utterly savage the Tories with Labour also in meltdown, leaving scope for a definitive change in Brit politics.

    That said, don't press me for who might do the honours or how it would pan out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    she is the head of the cabinet, she can claim what she wants, they are civil servants, they will follow their boss to the ravin

    apparently her plan was to call a ref2, hilarious, and a bit too late, she tangled herself in her own party contradictions
    They are NOT civil servants, they are sitting MPs, one of whom, Andrea Leadsome, Leader of the Commons, resigned yesterday. Most of her senior ministers, all MPs, have asked to speak to her about WA 4 and especially the attempt to include a referendum if WA 4 passes. She refused.

    They are likely to resign en masse, saving the 1922 Committee from rewriting the rules on deposing her. Without a cabinet, she cannot survive or lead.

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    PM May simply has to resign. Tomorrow she's due to give her resignation plans to the 1922 committee. It's 18 months too late, she needed to go when her visions of brexit were not shared.

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    Perhaps she is hoping for a miracle result from the EU elections. Given the way she clings to her Brexit Deal like a drunk hangs onto a lamp-post for support, nothing would surprise me.

    I think they will have to drag her kicking and screaming out of No 10, demanding one last chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    a surrender Treaty owned by Fray Merkel; all May did was take dictation.
    SOP, see the Greek Bailout fiasco.

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    2 votes just cast for the Brexit party, wife voted same as me who would have guessed!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    They are NOT civil servants, they are sitting MPs, one of whom, Andrea Leadsome, Leader of the Commons, resigned yesterday. Most of her senior ministers, all MPs, have asked to speak to her about WA 4 and especially the attempt to include a referendum if WA 4 passes. She refused.

    They are likely to resign en masse, saving the 1922 Committee from rewriting the rules on deposing her. Without a cabinet, she cannot survive or lead.
    interesting, cabinet members can accumulate their MPs seats? no longer possible in most democracies, can't have 2 seats, one executive and legislative. No wonder the situation is completely fucked, there is a huge conflict of interests in their roles.

    France used to have that problem, and it has been removed because silly political party games were being played and sabotage the efforts of the cabinet if they were against party politics

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    A couple more votes cast for the Brexit party, why the fvck was the change party first on the ballot paper?
    Brexit - It's Still On!-20190523_185631-jpg

    Anyone else vote today?

    Landslide victory tomorrow. ...
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    we won't know until sunday

    a landslide I hope, anything less 35% will be a loss!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    we won't know until sunday

    a landslide I hope, anything less 35% will be a loss!!!
    All depends on turnout if a low turnout Brexit party should get about 35%, if a high turnout as in remoaners can be bothered to vote then maybe 30% for Brexit party, they will still win though which is quite an achievement for a party that's only bee active a few months.

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    it's not surprising, the world is going upside now, everyone wants something fresh, the Tory and Labor are the past, it seems you guys are having your Trump moment and will vote out the old party system

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Do you post anything that isn't made up FuFu?
    It was confirmed by the Brexit Party spokesman ...you utterly delusional moron.

    So you're saying the Brexit party made it up or would you like to now revise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    interesting, cabinet members can accumulate their MPs seats? no longer possible in most democracies, can't have 2 seats, one executive and legislative. No wonder the situation is completely fucked, there is a huge conflict of interests in their roles.

    France used to have that problem, and it has been removed because silly political party games were being played and sabotage the efforts of the cabinet if they were against party politics
    Oh dear. Is there no subject that can fail to grasp and turn into complete nonsense? Thank you for demonstrating, yet again, what a complete and utter buffoon you are.
    Life must be very difficult being as stupid and plotless as you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    indeed, ridiculous. Incidentally, British Steel is a hot topic now in France, because they were buying out a local steel shop, ASCOVAL, that Macron said would save a lot of needed jobs. Now it all blows up to his face 3 days before the vote. Big meeting this morning to save ASCOVAL and British Steel executives are not even showing up despite confirming they will buy ASCOVAL in the middle of their own bankruptcy proceedings. Completely surreal.

    The EU needs to protect their economic frontiers, we are the only economic bloc that doesn't. It's ridiculous.
    It's even worse than that, Paps - what the two idiots on the last page don't understand is that we will be forced to buy Chinese steel which is the most polluted in the world, and then we will face hundreds of millions of pounds in fines from EU environmental agencies. So, due to EU rules, we are not able to bailout our steel industry. &, we have a billion pound wind turbine project which we will be forced to buy Chinese steel to build; this Chinese steel is the dirtiest in the world, so apart from losing jobs and being forced to buy from China and transport the steel across the world, we will then get environmental fines which will be three times, or more, than the 75 million pounds needed to save the British steel industry...

    Insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    we will be forced to buy Chinese steel
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    we will be forced to buy Chinese steel to build;
    Four years to sort this out and produce a survival, a consolidation and an expansion plan. One may conclude somebody has deliberately chosen the current chaotic course.

    Pretty sure Chinese steel, produced and delivered to the purchasers specification, will be under sanctions, probably deemed a dual use product by an enemy regime .

    Used to build police wagons, nuclear submarines, rebar used in missile factories and satellites. Pick one or choose the set price banquet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    we will be forced to buy Chinese steel which is the most polluted in the world,
    Chinese steel is even lower grade than steel made in Britain and no one is forcing you to buy it, buying it is a deliberate decision by the buyer and not something forced on him.
    There is quality steel available in Europe as I said yesterday (forgetting to include the Finns).
    Good luck with building your billion pound wind turbines with third-rate Chinese steel, I find it quite telling of the British view on quality.

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