Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Troy

There is talk of a further compromise to brexit, staying in the Customs Union, although it's been reported that splitting Customs Union and Single Market isn't so easy.

How much extra trade is available outside that isn't available inside the EU? I hear reports of losing 20% trade with EU for as little as 5% extra trade. Anyone have some reliable figures?

Not sure I would trust numbers from any source right now; most are manipulated for best and worst case scenarios by career deceivers with personal and political agendas.

Originally Posted by jabir

Not sure I would trust numbers from any source

A tad paranoid perhaps?

Originally Posted by jabir

Not sure I would trust numbers from any source

Originally Posted by foobar

A tad paranoid perhaps?

Not paranoid, he just doesn't know how they work, how to use them or how to check them. This is yet another plain statement from Jabir and his ilk that he is incapable of understanding any of this.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Why are you so obsessed with that, Troy?

I think obsessed may be a little strong. Leaving the Customs Union is in the Tory manifesto and one of May's red lines. It is also one of the reasons why brexit is at an impasse.

The principal argument for leaving the Customs Union is to allow the UK to make trade deals outside the EU. These include India, USA, Australia, NZ etc. I was just curious as to what the true benefits are in the mid to long term. How much extra trade would be generated and at what cost. I would expect a government white paper on this but can't find one. I have seen reports, but they tend to indicate a loss rather than gain in trade. On the mobile so can't link right now

I thought someone might have looked this up and could show why leaving the Customs Union was important for trade.

Leaving the CU is not about making new trade deals with the rest of the world, the British will loose out for sure on that, but simply to stop the free movement of people

it's really that simple,

except people, like capital assets, need to be freely available in a capitalist system, and the last thing you need is a shortage of human capital in a fully functioning economy

Ken Clarke is such a complete scam artist:

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Ken Clarke is such a complete scam artist:

No shit?

Tell me, how much time do you spend in echo chambers like The Core? Almost everything you post is from hotbeds of confirmation bias. Do you always look in a mirror while masturbating?

I believe Doris will now revoke A50 later this week this being based on Corbyn would have to be absolutely mad to do a deal with Doris as then Labour will take a more than equal share of the blame at the ballot box thus scuppering his hope of turning the UK into a socialist utopia, the EU have had enough and want the process over so presuming Doris and Corbyn don't do a deal she will have nothing to offer the EU. This then leaves leaving with no deal on Friday (mine and many others preferred option) which parliament will never allow to happen so the option left for Doris is to revoke A50.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Leaving the CU is not about making new trade deals with the rest of the world, the British will loose out for sure on that, but simply to stop the free movement of people

it's really that simple,

except people, like capital assets, need to be freely available in a capitalist system, and the last thing you need is a shortage of human capital in a fully functioning economy

With unemployment at record lows and an increasing labour market, I'd have thought bringing people in from elsewhere was a necessity. EU looks like as good a place as any to get them.

Originally Posted by Troy

With unemployment at record lows and an increasing labour market, I'd have thought bringing people in from elsewhere was a necessity. EU looks like as good a place as any to get them.

No, no, you don't understand - the country is full, coming over here, taking our jobs etc etc etc. Don't you remember our very own discount-store Himmler explaining this?

What is it with you pound shop remoaners, immigration isn't going to stop, just EU citizens will have to apply for a Visa to live and work in the UK.

As to the customs union if you remain in that then there is no point to Brexit, anyway all irrelevant as Doris is going to revoke A50.

^^ Isn't that being, well, protectionist? I thought the UK was against all this protectionism... Free trade and free movement go hand in hand, just ask the Indians.

Of course I've helped someone apply for a Visa for this country, my wife has been here over 10 years.

You really are a drama queen when it comes to business most firms will sort out the visas for their employees, all they will have to do is sign, a massive inconvenience taking all of a few seconds. Brits now can live and work in the EU with no Visa but still choose to live and work all over the world with no drama obtaining a Visa.

Where did I say it more convenient as obviously it isn't if not having to apply for a Visa. I just said it's no big drama as you would like to make out it is. Oh no I won't take that job in America, Australia or Thailand as I have to fill out a few forms where as I could just take one in Romania or Hungary as no Visa needed said no one ever.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Where did I say it more convenient as obviously it isn't if not having to apply for a Visa. I just said it's no big drama as you would like to make out it is. Oh no I won't take that job in America, Australia or Thailand as I have to fill out a few forms where as I could just take one in Romania or Hungary as no Visa needed said no one ever.

Why Romania and Hungary? Why not Germany or France or Denmark or Holland? Do you think the EU is some kind of garlicky Rwanda rather than what it is, the richest and most powerful trading bloc in the world. That kind of sneering ignorance is why so many expats working in the EU despise the Little-Englander brexiters. As for it being no big deal getting employment visas overseas you're just off in cloud-cuckoo land if you believe that. "A few forms" , my ass!

Well, a 9 month delay. Everyone looking forward to EU elections?, i am.

Come the next GE which party will the Brexiteers vote for?

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Well, a 9 month delay.

Where did you see that? Nobody else seems to know anything about it.

In the tea leaves in the bottom of the cup my bunny was drinking from.

Originally Posted by foobar

Come the next GE which party will the Brexiteers vote for?

Think will depend more on who the local candidate is as in if it's a Tory or Labour remainer they will get a wide berth in favour of a candidate who supports Brexit. But both Tories and Labour will be mad if stand remain candidates in leave seats. We shall see.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

In the tea leaves in the bottom of the cup my bunny was drinking from.

Right, so you apparently got it wrong and instead of admitting it like a man you deflect with a childish reply.

Originally Posted by foobar

Come the next GE which party will the Brexiteers vote for?

Who will you be voting for? Your hero Corbyn even if he enables Doris to get her deal through?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Right, so you apparently got it wrong and instead of admitting it like a man you deflect with a childish reply.

You know Doctor, sometimes you can be truly hurtful, I confess its a toy stuffed Bunny.