Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Neverna

Merkel and Macron ... fisticuffs at dawn.

Obviously, Merkel will win...

Now, in the HoP, the wanker Starmer and his supporter, the speaker, are gonna try to block the managed no deal exit - in fact, today, the labour party have just been desperate to find any route to block Brexit despite the fact that it was their manifesto point to support Brexit, and the nation voted for it. Labour are unelectable...

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Won't be needed as no way 500 remainers in parliament are going to let 150 true Brexiteers win and have a clean Brexit, they will all cave in and Doris deal will get through and we are fucked.

I've been watching the HoP all day, and all the SNP, Labourites and idiot Soubry are trying to do is bring an extension until 2020 and have another referendum in that time.

What's very noticeable is how I must have heard them complaining 30+ times saying the government is not allowing democracy in the HoP while she and other ministers retort that the democracy of following the result of the referendum is essential - the Labour, SNP and some of the Tory MPs clearly put their personal opinions well above the people's right to democracy and their vote being respected.

Also, the Labour/SNP and some Tory MPs are plain lying; they purely want to stop Brexit, that is 100% clear, but they are making claims about democracy and rights and extending time to help British business, etc - total BS, at this stage the only thing that helps business is leaving by the 29th. Even the Europeans are saying today that negotiations will not be reopened, it's the only deal on the table...

These remoaners are ignorant morons who will say anything at all, changing their slant from second to second, to get their way regardless of any ideals, principles or rights and wrongs - total scumbags, and given the next election, alot of these (I'd say the biggest amount in British parliamentary history) will be voted out by the electorate because it is clear these MPs do not have any interest or respect for the voice of the electorate.

I know I am going to upset Chass the old pensioner again by binge posting here, but the BBC comments section are too great to be missed, far more violent than the cordial exchange we have here

7035. Posted by ROLKIN on Just now
"Victory over EUSSR"

7034. Posted by andrew-mitch on Just now

Well looks like the EU have told the remainers, its Mays deal or no deal


or in ENGLISH

The UK are leaving

6884. Posted by Keith on

6788. paul99
"> And crash the economy
> Lose 2.9 million jobs
> Inflation
> tarrifs."


"Oh dear, you really are a gullible person.

MP's would love more people like you, so that there pension and quango jobs are secure."

It takes one to know one Keith! No deal is a non starter anyway

6442.
Posted by HE on 9 minutes ago
It has to be said in clear, now look what you’ve done you stupid, peasant fools!
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You are a self-indulgent, arrogant (o).

7021. Posted by Afrosia on Just now

"No Jezza, it's Lefty idiots like you and the band of self-serving elitist Remoan MPs that have led us to this state!"

You could equally argue that it is the fault of the bad winners on the Leave side, who, rather than seek unity and work towards common goals, preferred to throw around insults like "remoaner" and shout "suck it up" at every opportunity.

Originally Posted by Troy

Entertaining stuff tonight as Parliament holds an emergency debate on Brexit. It could turn out to be a right old bun fight by the end of the evening.

Rumours of the Maybot making an announcement around 8pm, but she often fails to deliver anything interesting...resignation would be nice.

The nightmare can be stopped by revoking A50, of course, but that's not going to happen........yet!

Even revoking A50 won’t stop the nightmare. This idiotic referendum, based on ignorance and lies, has not only irrevocably split the country but has also broken its legal and political system and turned the United Kingdom into an international laughing stock. A country run by clowns and fantasists on all sides. A country diminished almost beyond belief in three short years. No matter how it turns out the damage has already been done.

Brexit has indeed revealed a lot of interesting things,

first, it has showed to the world how crazy and nationalists the Brits truly are

second, it has showed to the world how incompetent and cowards UK politicians are

third, it has showed to the world how self destructive the UK leaders are and how they will take everyone with them on their way down

about fooking time the world can see what the French have ben seeing since the beginning of time and why we have been trying to avoid their presence ever since. The silly fookers

As an outsider looking in from afar and being able to see the forest from the trees.
Talk about shooting yourself on the foot. A referendum of such importance to be decided with a simple majority??? Regardless of what happens roughly 50% of the electorate will be unhappy. This will reverberate through British politics for a long time to come .
Some Brits seem to think that the financial industry baseses its self there because they are special or poses superior qualities, and in a way they are right and did poses a superior quality , one that Finance covets the most , STABILITY!!
IMO that ship has sailed and so will a lot of that industry.

Theresa May Took Donald Trump’s Advice and Lost Control
By Therese Raphael (Bloomberg)


Steve Bannon claims the British prime minister ignored Donald Trump’s advice on Brexit. If only she had.

Theresa May is heading to another European Union summit, no longer as a negotiator, but as a supplicant. She wants the EU to give Britain three extra months before it exits. The EU must decide yes or no, and on what terms; then May will have to keep trying to sell her divorce deal as the country lurches toward one cliff edge or the next. Farce could turn into tragedy.

If only the prime minister had listened to Donald Trump, she wouldn’t be in this mess. That’s the message of an op-ed by First Son Donald Trump Jr. in the conservative Daily Telegraph. In it, he urges Britons and Americans to “reaffirm the decisions they made in 2016 to stand up for themselves against the global elite.”

It’s a point Trump himself likes to make, and repeated last week. And it’s one former Trump chief strategist Steve Bannon spelled out in a striking interview with Sky News.

But May has, in fact, done exactly as Trump advised her. In doing so, she hasn’t just jeopardized Brexit. It’s worse than that: Trump’s scorched-earth playbook is destroying both the Republicans in the U.S. and May’s Conservatives, even though the internal conflicts in both parties predate him.

What did Trump tell May? Trump has never spelled it out exactly, but in his Sky News interview from Michigan, Bannon did. He complained that she ignored all the president’s advice. Did she? Let’s have a look.

“Overshoot the target on your deal because it will come apart.”

May did overshoot. In her Lancaster House speech, much celebrated by Tory Brexiters, she promised to avoid “anything that leaves us half-in and half-out.” Red lines were drawn fast and thick.
She struggled in vain to deliver on that pledge ever since. Her attempt in July, the Chequers Plan on the future U.K.-EU relationship, was a disaster. It was a proposal aimed at keeping the Irish border free from customs checks and retaining at least some of the benefits of the single market in goods trade. The EU rebuffed it as cherry-picking. Conservative Brexiters also balked, claiming it amounted to “vassalage,” requiring the U.K. to remain too closely aligned with EU rules while having no say over them. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and Brexit Secretary David Davis resigned over it.

The problem with overpromising is you create new political appetites that can’t be satisfied; the problem with overshooting is that credibility can evaporate. After that, the EU was convinced May had a weak grasp on reality and no control over her own party; Conservative Brexiters no longer trusted her.

“Get on with it; you ought to be in terms agreed in six months.”

Arguably, this was the worst piece of advice a British leader has ever followed. It’s one thing to go into a battle with a weaker side; that happens. But to squander what advantages you have is pure folly.
In order to get on with it and “deliver Brexit” (words she has used over and over), May triggered Article 50, starting the two-year countdown, before having the foggiest idea what was involved or achievable. Then she called an election, wasting valuable negotiating time, lost her parliamentary majority, and put her government at the mercy of Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party — a group with just 10 MPs and 0.9 percent of the national vote.

The only way May could have had “terms agreed” in six months is if her government and Parliament had a clear idea from the start of what they wanted and what was realistic for the EU to accept. Haste has instead made for incalculable waste.

“Use every arrow in your quiver even if you have to do litigation later.”

In other words, forget about the niceties of consultation, coalition building or transparency. May did. There was no consulting Parliament until she was forced to, first by Britain’s Supreme Court and later by the speaker of the House. There was no consulting the opposition until a series of historic defeats in Parliament forced her to schedule some token meetings.

Meanwhile, hardliners in her party continue to follow the scorched-earth strategy, with threats this week of a “vote strike,” in which Tory MPs would refuse to support the government.
Parliament voted last week to ask the EU for a short extension and the potential to extend it if May’s deal doesn’t pass by March 20. By all leaked accounts, the prime minister has been forced by hardline Brexiters in her cabinet and their allies to ignore that longer extension and seek only a short delay.

Why are the hardliners so unconcerned about the impact of a no-deal Brexit given the enormous costs to the U.K. economy and its most important trading relationship? It is largely because May’s days are numbered and a contest to replace her has already begun. There is a years’ long trade relationship negotiation to follow the divorce deal and a battle underway to determine whose vision will lead it.

Like U.S. Republican senators from vulnerable seats who voted in support of Trump last week over his policy of declaring a state of emergency on the southern U.S. border, hardline U.K. Conservatives aren’t thinking about the issue; they are thinking of their base.

The Conservative Party has around 124,000 members, most of them committed Brexiters who polls show would choose a no-deal exit over May’s deal by a large majority. If she leaves and Tory lawmakers can’t decide on a single candidate to replace her, then two names will be sent to those party members to vote on. The one from the hard Brexit camp would have to be the favorite — whether it’s Johnson or former Brexit secretary Dominic Raab, both of whom are now openly campaigning.

The Republicans’ ideological conflict is only about a decade long but shows no signs of weakening; for British Conservatives, the battle over Europe has been running for three decades. Trump’s strategies have turned his preferred wing of both parties into the suicide squads of our political times, bent on destroying their own parties if they can’t own them.

Both British Conservatives and Trump Republicans are trying to build a wall. Deep down, most hard Brexiters don’t want to own a no-deal departure any more than most Republicans want their name on Trump’s wall. But they must keep faith with the base. The facts — the real costs or risks of immigration or the burden of EU rules — have long stopped mattering. Once promised, the thing must be done. “He has to fulfill it or die trying,” said Bannon of Trump’s wall.

That is exactly where hardline Conservatives are with Brexit; they and May, contrary to Bannon’s claims, followed Trump’s advice to a T. They are building his wall in Europe — or will die trying.