Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by foobar

^The usual Brexiteer waffle ...no hard numbers in Fantasy Island.

Provide them then, then make what ever point it is you want to make.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Provide them then, then make what ever point it is you want to make.

I believe you were the one making the point, I was simply asking for the hard numbers in the event of your dream scenario.

Originally Posted by foobar

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Leaving of WTO rules would be a dream, free from EU clutches once and for all....

^How many pre-existing deals( the UK has with international countries via EU framework ) have been re-secured under new non-eu contracts, I believe the Tories promised 40 would be ready and waiting to be signed on March 29th.

...& how many fantastic brand new trade deals(Non-EU Framework) are ready to go on March 29th?

Hard numbers only please...?

Do you understand WTO rules? I haven't made any claims about any number of deals already signed, you brought that up presumably as it's something you want to discuss, so provide the figures hard ones only as you say and make your point.

Originally Posted by wazoo

You are fighting a firm battle for one who will is looking to settle in Thailand.

Honestly I have no great desire to move back to Thailand a case of been there done that after living there for 10 years but having already subjected the wife to 10 years in the UK and realistically looking at another 5 due to daughter only being 15 if she wishes to live in Thailand again then I will submit to her wishes although I still live in hope I can persuade her Southern Europe will be a viable alternative.

Originally Posted by Switch

Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, Robin Cook. All outstanding MPs and men of principle. WTF happened to the Labour Party?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

no deal Brexit is going to be the final blow to the great British empire,

it took one last stupid act by the very people who were looking back on that great empire

Hahahaha
What Empire. The British, French and Belgian Empire days are long gone. A part of history. The only person thinking about empire is you.

The only Empire now, is the EU dictatorship, that will soon crumble to dust. It’s being run by a drunken old buffoon, who refuses to negotiate and does not listen to the member states.

Soon time to celebrate our departure. However painful and difficult it might be, it will be worth it to escape the thunderous crashing noise, made by the collapse of the EU and the Euro. Both unsustainable models of socialist engineering being forced on the MS with no get out clause or veto.

We will help of course, selling you tariff free wheelbarrows. to carry your French francs to buy a loaf of bread.

what are the bookies odds for no brexit ?

Originally Posted by foobar

Hard numbers only please...?

Poorer as a nation – Austerity policies have dragged on the UK economy to the tune of £300 per household, per month since the Conservatives came to power, according to the New Economics Foundation thinktank. Its analysis says that under the programme of cuts first introduced by a Tory coalition with the Liberal Democrats, the economy has been left £100bn smaller than it would otherwise have been. In a report by MPs to be published today, ministers will be urged to help revive the UK’s ailing high streets by considering taxing online sales, deliveries or packaging, and cutting property taxes for retailers.

Listen to this rant, the guy is insane, gone mad on power...

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European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker says he is “not very optimistic” about Britain’s chances of leaving the European Union with a deal, also warning that any failure to agree an orderly Brexit deal will be economically costly.

“If no deal were to happen, and I cannot exclude this, this would have terrible economic and social consequences in Britain and on the continent, so my efforts are oriented in a way that the worst can be avoided.

But I am not very optimistic when it comes to this issue,” said Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, who met British Prime Minister Theresa May in Brussels on Wednesday.

“Because in the British parliament every time they are voting, there is a majority against something, there is no majority in favour of something,” he told a plenary session of the European Economic and Social Committee (EESC).

Juncker bemoans the lack of progress being made despite holding talks with UK's Prime Minister Theresa May last night in Brussels.

He also said "Brexit is deconstruction, it is not construction. Brexit is the past, it is not the future".

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Do you understand WTO rules?

I do understand WTO rules which is what the UK will be trading under in the event of a hard brexit, which is why I was asking you what trade deals were already in place for your desired outcome?

Or do you live in some kind of retarded universe where trade, food, oil, medicine, imports/exports etc don't matter?

Originally Posted by foobar

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Leaving of WTO rules would be a dream, free from EU clutches once and for all....

^How many pre-existing deals( the UK has with international countries via EU framework ) have been re-secured under new non-eu contracts, I believe the Tories promised 40 would be ready and waiting to be signed on March 29th.

...& how many fantastic brand new trade deals(Non-EU Framework) are ready to go on March 29th?

Hard numbers only please...?

...no hard numbers in la la land!

Clearly you don't understand what trading on WTO rules means as if you did you wouldn't be asking how many trade deals have been signed.

Originally Posted by baldrick

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Juncker is a poisoned troll. I think he posts on here as Dragonfly, when he’s sober ... oh wait

Still waiting for your reply to this...

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Sir Nigel of Farage new party over 100k members already, to put that in perspective the Tories only have 125k members. Doris doesn't deliver Brexit and the Tories will get nowhere near 37% of the vote.

Originally Posted by foobar

Farage couldn't even win his own seat in his previous party, which was very embarrassing considering he was the party leader.

A party whose greatest success was to win 1 of a possible 650 seats, this is the reality, Farage is insignificant, no matter how much he tries to puff himself up in the media.

Nigel's new party will be more of the same, they might win 1 - 2 seats then again maybe zero seats.

Originally Posted by foobar

Originally Posted by buriramboy

You clearly have no idea about the UK electoral system, to go along with every thing else you've ever posted about. Is there any subject you have even the slightest bit of knowledge about?

So, how many of the 650 available seats do you predict Farage's new party to win in the next General Election?

Seriously why is your reading ability even worse than that of a 5 year old. Already explained repeatedly about Farage new party and why it has been set up, if you still don't understand go ask a friend to explain it to you.

Again where have I made any claims about how many trade deals the UK has signed? You brought it up and were asked to answer and make what ever point it is you want to make. But instead you keep stamping your feet like a petulant child demanding they answer what ever bullshit you come up with next.

....still no numbers or hard facts from Buffaloboy, just lots of denial and musings from lala land.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I hope these remoaners, one and all, will stand for local bi-elections.

There is no need for them to do so. Look up Edmund Burke and his C18 speech regarding MPs as representatives rather than delegates.

Originally Posted by Switch

How interesting that you raise the point about manufacturing percentages. Weren’t you one of those who pointed out that manufacturing and industrial exports were so small that they were not significant compared to the service sector?

Genuine question and i cant be arsed to trawl through all the bullshit to find out.

Manufacturing represents about 10% of UK GDP, which is low but not as insignificant as your post suggests. The car industry represents about 10% of that manufacturing base, which was projected to increase (from £21bn to £28bn a year to 2025) but that isn't going to be happening if the Japanese companies decide to pull out with BMW and Ford possibly following on their heels.

Originally Posted by Troy

Manufacturing represents about 10% of UK GDP, which is low but not as insignificant as your post suggests. The car industry represents about 10% of that manufacturing base, which was projected to increase (from £21bn to £28bn a year to 2025) but that isn't going to be happening if the Japanese companies decide to pull out with BMW and Ford possibly following on their heels.

Sorry. Is that a yes, or a no?

Originally Posted by Switch

Sorry. Is that a yes, or a no?

With people like you, I can see why referendums have to be limited to one question with only two possible answers: anything more would be far too taxing.

I was one of a few that explained that the UK service industry provides a much greater percentage to UK GDP than manufacturing. No-one said manufacturing was insignificant, only that it was a much smaller contributor. I think 80-20 split was mentioned. I would put significance levels at least 95% so no it wasn't me that said manufacturing was insignificant.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I didn't say they were required to...

These people are claiming to act on principles that there has been a change of Brexit opinion thus there must be a second referendum (do not be mistaken, this is an anti-Brexit party, end of), but where are their principles and giving the voice to the electorate when they go against both their party and the manifesto's promises they were elected on.

Why would you defend these people??? They are a disgrace.

I think you are missing the point. It is not so much brexit these MPs are resigning over but brexit without an agreement over the withdrawal. The so called no-deal brexit was not in the manifesto and no-one knows if it has the majority of public support, although recent polls suggest it doesn't.

There could be more resignations on both sides of the house in the coming days to show the displeasure of such an outcome.

ok apparently there is a secret deal between Maybot and Junker, they want to make an announcement, Maybot first on next Wednesday, and then Junker to put on a nail on that Brexit coffin

basically it's going to be "you fuckers take the deal or there is no deal now or in the future"

As I believe I said many months ago, Brexit was ebola and will destroy the Tory party. Yet again I have been proved right but the bonus of course is the imminent destruction of the current Labour party too. Next week's vote should be another nail in its coffin but, certainly, if the sclerotic, desiccated skin bag May loses it and we head inexorably towards the precipice of hard brexit then the wheels will well and truly be off.

£ will be $1.10 for sure.

Parliament has the numbers to vote for an extension to A50 but the EU has to agree to it. Sadly there won't be a clean Brexit although I still cling to hope.