Brexit - It's Still On!

**Troy** · 21-01-2019, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

We're leaving because we think we are overall better off out than in, plain and simple.

We as in who Jabber? Me and you? I don't think so!

What do you mean by better off? Economically, well NO! That's bollox, Polotically? NO, clearly bollox. So why are the UK (if that's what you mean) better off?

You are nothing more than a vacillating fucking twat who I have lost patience with. Fuck off!

**Troy** · 21-01-2019, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

The Irish border is not an issue. The EU have tried to use it as leverage, but in truth, no one involved wants it.

Do I have to rip another fucking arsehole for you? Like the one you got when you talked bollox about EU audits?

**Dragonfly** · 21-01-2019, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

You are nothing more than a vacillating fucking twat who I have lost patience with. Fuck off!

not worth it, don't buy into stupidity or it will drive you insane

**taxexile** · 21-01-2019, 05:29 PM

hi tax, welcome back

we needed the input of another Brexiter

cant understand what all the panic is about.
may is playing a blinder, she would make a great poker player, if only her mp's and the nutters on here could see it.

all you idiots care about are eu wide driving licenses and cheap flights to benidorm on greasyjet

the german economy is stalling and mr bmw and mr audi are shitting themselves, silly microns goose is cooked and the eu elections in may are almost upon us.

no deal ....... just bring it on. necessity is the mother of invention and the uk will thrive whilst the eu cower before putins throbbing cock and the serious fracture lines developing in the eus eastern badlands.

we are well out of it.

**Troy** · 21-01-2019, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

I’m going to call bullshit on that. Sorry Troy but you have been much more irascible for weeks now, way before some absolute amateur thugs tried to grab some headlines in the province.

Calli it what you like, but this wasn't a pub brawl in a border village it was well secured and bolted up Derry.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

So who is going to build it then?

It doesn't have to be physically built, that's why I called you naive in the first place. Any excuse will do. It will be the beginning of the end of the UK, and all because of a load of ignorant tossers.

No wonder thegent can only fucking swear at you fucking idiots!

**taxexile** · 21-01-2019, 05:34 PM

It will be the beginning of the end of the UK

the micks can all leave the uk. they are all nothing but ungrateful troublemakers.

the sweaties can fuck off as well. lets see how long they last on their own before they beg for re-admittance to the uk along with all the handouts they receive.

**Chittychangchang** · 21-01-2019, 05:41 PM

Here here

**buriramboy** · 21-01-2019, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Calli it what you like, but this wasn't a pub brawl in a border village it was well secured and bolted up Derry.

It doesn't have to be physically built, that's why I called you naive in the first place. Any excuse will do. It will be the beginning of the end of the UK, and all because of a load of ignorant tossers.

No wonder thegent can only fucking swear at you fucking idiots!

So it's going to be a hard border that isn't going to be physically built? You're losing the plot.

**Mandaloopy** · 21-01-2019, 05:45 PM

People should have faith in their own ability to thrive, not "their"country. Patriots,meh. I couldn't give a toss about England

**foobar** · 21-01-2019, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

So who is going to build the wall then?

I think Farage(or was it Boris) said at one point the UK will build the wall and the EU will pay for it...

**buriramboy** · 21-01-2019, 06:35 PM

Does it hurt when you think?

**jabir** · 21-01-2019, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Answer the question then Troy who is going to build this border? Both the UK and the Micks have said even in the event of a clean Brexit they won't be.

The EU have snookered themselves by manufacturing this critical problem. If May says there will be no hard border on our side of the border, but do as you please on your Ireland/EU side of the border, the ball is firmly in their court and they can deal with the consequences.

But May has shown her hand, and nobody outside of the Remain camp can trust her any more.

**jabir** · 21-01-2019, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

We as in who Jabber? Me and you? I don't think so!

We as in terribly sorry old chap, I thought you speak English.

What do you mean by better off? Economically, well NO! That's bollox, Polotically? NO, clearly bollox. So why are the UK (if that's what you mean) better off?

By Jove it took a while but he got it!

You are nothing more than a vacillating fucking twat who I have lost patience with. Fuck off!

Pointless trying to emulate SA, he may have been educated in the gutter but still far more articulate than you'll ever be.

Have a good day, and don't forget to blame Brexit or global warming when your beloved EU goes tits up.

**jabir** · 21-01-2019, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

not worth it, don't buy into stupidity or it will drive you insane

Says the Belgian...

**jabir** · 21-01-2019, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

It doesn't have to be physically built, that's why I called you naive in the first place. Any excuse will do. It will be the beginning of the end of the UK, and all because of a load of ignorant tossers.

No wonder thegent can only fucking swear at you fucking idiots!

Where did you read that?

You should get credit for knowing more about EU rulez than that idiot Verhofstadt who insists that EU rulez require a hard border between EU and non-EU. Methinks you made it up.

Now waiting for your next pretend claim.

**jabir** · 21-01-2019, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

the micks can all leave the uk. they are all nothing but ungrateful troublemakers.

the sweaties can fuck off as well. lets see how long they last on their own before they beg for re-admittance to the uk along with all the handouts they receive.

Ireland is the EUs sacrificial lamb in manufacturing the border problem while knowing with certainty there could be no hard border because Ireland/UK and the EU have all said precisely that. Go figure why Ireland should suffer a serious economic hit because the gods need to obstruct us from leaving.

I did say 'us', anyone have a problem with that? Troy?

**Troy** · 21-01-2019, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

So it's going to be a hard border that isn't going to be physically built? You're losing the plot.

Okay, I've settled down, put the toys back in the pram, and will try to explain in as simple terms as possible.

First, was the Derry bomb, that targeted the Courthouse just a couple of drunks playing around, as per Switch or was it something more?

I don't know but is it pure coincidence that the day before Gunther Krichbaum, a CDU MP, and chairman of the Bundestag’s committee on European Union affairs, was speaking on BBC Radio Foyle in Derry.

He was asked if the EU would insist on customs checks on the Border in the event of a no-deal Brexit in March. “Well, it will take time, but Border controls would be the consequence of a no-deal scenario,” Mr Krichbaum said. Asked if preparations were already being made by the EU, he said: “Sure. From the European side the preparations are running because we have to take into account that another solution can be found.

“We hope that a solution will be found, and if the time can be used in the next weeks we are very open for this idea, but now it’s up to Theresa May to present her plans and her intentions.”

Asked if Border checks would be “instructed” by the EU, Mr Krichbaum replied: “These cannot be avoided because it is an outside border of the European Union. It will be the consequence if Great Britain will leave the European Union. ”However, he said that the checks would be done “under the responsibility of the national authorities”.

“Because you know certainly well that the European Union does not have a competence to control the borders.

It will be a hard border of the European Union, but this is the consequence if we have not a member state any longer in the European Union.”

Now, before you go running off and blame the EU for risking the GFA and causing a problem that the UK would never have made let's go to the other side.

From the UK Government website, rather than Brexitter lies and Jacob Rees-Mogg "that's out of context" bullshit:

With no special arrangement, a hard border will be needed when the UK becomes a third country

Brexit will dramatically change that relationship. The UK’s decision to leave the Single Market and Customs Union means that it will become a ‘third country’ to the European Union (EU). If no special arrangements are found for the Irish border, the EU will impose the standard checks they have at their border with any third country. The UK may decide not to impose checks on its side of the border – but risks being challenged in the World Trade Organization (WTO) by other countries who think this is providing more favourable treatment to goods crossing the Northern Irish land border compared to those entering via other ports.

This would first and foremost mean a new requirement to submit customs declarations to EU authorities documenting what the product is and providing proof of where the good originates.

Customs checks account for less than half of the border formalities, however. More onerous are regulatory checks. For these, the rules are very different depending on the product and the risk it poses to consumers or the environment. There would be a range of new requirements to verify that goods comply with the standards and regulations of the importing country, the most damaging of which for Irish trade would be the rules for animal products and plant products. Under EU law these products must go through specialised border posts when they enter a member state. Agri-food accounts for close to 40% of Northern Irish exports to the Republic, and supply chains across the border are highly integrated, with live animals travelling for slaughter in each direction, so it is imperative to find a way to remove the need for these checks.

etc.

see https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...exit-final.pdf

This IfG Insight paper [see link and extract above] finds that despite the Government’s stated commitment to avoiding a hard border in Ireland, little progress has been made in finding a workable long-term solution.

The crux of the May Agreement, with respect to the Irish Border, still has not found a solution to removing a Hard Border. If it had then there would be no Irish Backstop in the agreement and everyone would be happy.

Remember that the GFA was based on both Eire and NI being in the EU. Again quoting from the government's own website:

The Good Friday Agreement, signed in 1998, brought an end to sectarian conflict and established power-sharing in Northern Ireland. The agreement assumes EU membership for both the UK and Ireland and makes provisions for the UK and Irish governments to co-operate on EU matters.

The Good Friday Agreement allows people born in Northern Ireland to choose either Irish or British citizenship, or both. The UK has stated that it wants this option to continue after Brexit.
The agreement also established special EU funding programmes, known as PEACE, to reinforce the peace process and support cross-community projects. It also created the North South Ministerial Council (NSMC), which allows the Dublin and Belfast governments to co-operate in various areas, including agriculture, education and transport.

In late 2017 UK, Irish and European officials assessed the impact of Brexit on 142 separate areas of cross-border co-operation, which are underpinned by the agreement.
he UK and Irish governments, the Northern Ireland parties and the European Commission have all agreed that the withdrawal process should not be allowed to undermine the Good Friday Agreement.

Shortly after the EU referendum Arlene Foster and Martin McGuinness, at the time the First Minister and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland respectively, wrote to Theresa May to note the importance of protecting the peace process and the political settlement in Northern Ireland. They also called for certainty over the future of PEACE funding.

The UK Government has proposed that current PEACE funding, which runs until 2020, should continue and that the UK, Ireland, the Northern Ireland Executive and European Commission should discuss options for continued funding beyond that point.

In December 2017, the UK and European Commission published a joint report which set out the progress that had been made on the key areas of negotiations. In the report, both sides agreed that "the achievements, benefits and commitments of the peace process will remain of paramount importance to peace, stability and reconciliation" and that the Good Friday Agreement "must be protected in all its parts".

The UK, Ireland, Northern Ireland and the European Commission have all signed up to the principle of no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic for goods as well as people. However, the UK’s current policy is that it is leaving the EU Single Market and Customs Union. This means the border between the North and the Republic will become the EU’s external border where customs and regulatory checks would normally take place.

Managing this poses real issues because of the highly integrated cross-border economy – farms, villages and daily commutes all straddle the border. There is also a risk that any ‘physical infrastructure’ could become a target for terrorists. Our explainer on the Northern Irish backstop considers how the two sides are attempting to solve the challenge of the goods border.

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https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ireland-brexit

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NB: That's some more funding the Tories have failed to tell the public, above the funding I posted regards aviation yesterday...

The economic backlash from Brexit alone will cause major tensions in Ireland. A Hard Border, will not materialise overnight, but it will come and those tensions will fuel trouble.

You can be in denial all you want but the writing's on the wall.

Now go and shit out of your new arsehole...

**buriramboy** · 21-01-2019, 07:39 PM

So no hard border then.

**Troy** · 21-01-2019, 07:53 PM

Brexit - It's Still On!-dorothy-brain-had-one-gif-gif

**Seekingasylum** · 21-01-2019, 08:10 PM

WTF? Where is my reply to Tax, you boneheaded, dickbrained, mofo ,,cockteasing cum swallowing sister fuckers?

**buriramboy** · 21-01-2019, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

WTF? Where is my reply to Tax, you boneheaded, dickbrained, mofo ,,cockteasing cum swallowing sister fuckers?

Those soi 6 prices really starting to hurt with the weak pound?

**taxexile** · 21-01-2019, 08:17 PM

WTF? Where is my reply to Tax, you boneheaded, dickbrained, mofo ,,cockteasing cum swallowing sister fuckers?

was it your quote for tarmacking my drive?

**Switch** · 21-01-2019, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Okay, I've settled down, put the toys back in the pram, and will try to explain in as simple terms as possible.

First, was the Derry bomb, that targeted the Courthouse just a couple of drunks playing around, as per Switch or was it something more?

I don't know but is it pure coincidence that the day before Gunther Krichbaum, a CDU MP, and chairman of the Bundestag’s committee on European Union affairs, was speaking on BBC Radio Foyle in Derry.

He was asked if the EU would insist on customs checks on the Border in the event of a no-deal Brexit in March. “Well, it will take time, but Border controls would be the consequence of a no-deal scenario,” Mr Krichbaum said. Asked if preparations were already being made by the EU, he said: “Sure. From the European side the preparations are running because we have to take into account that another solution can be found.

“We hope that a solution will be found, and if the time can be used in the next weeks we are very open for this idea, but now it’s up to Theresa May to present her plans and her intentions.”

Asked if Border checks would be “instructed” by the EU, Mr Krichbaum replied: “These cannot be avoided because it is an outside border of the European Union. It will be the consequence if Great Britain will leave the European Union. ”However, he said that the checks would be done “under the responsibility of the national authorities”.

“Because you know certainly well that the European Union does not have a competence to control the borders.

Now, before you go running off and blame the EU for risking the GFA and causing a problem that the UK would never have made let's go to the other side.

From the UK Government website, rather than Brexitter lies and Jacob Rees-Mogg "that's out of context" bullshit:

see https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...exit-final.pdf

The crux of the May Agreement, with respect to the Irish Border, still has not found a solution to removing a Hard Border. If it had then there would be no Irish Backstop in the agreement and everyone would be happy.

Remember that the GFA was based on both Eire and NI being in the EU. Again quoting from the government's own website:

...

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ireland-brexit

================================================== ================================================== ======

NB: That's some more funding the Tories have failed to tell the public, above the funding I posted regards aviation yesterday...

The economic backlash from Brexit alone will cause major tensions in Ireland. A Hard Border, will not materialise overnight, but it will come and those tensions will fuel trouble.

You can be in denial all you want but the writing's on the wall.

Now go and shit out of your new arsehole...

The Institute for government sounds very grand. It is a charity and a think tank, not even a government funded quango. The money it gets comes from the Sainsbury family trust.
Interesting, but not authoritive.
The EU might want to use it for spiteful purposes and withhold funding, but it would just be punishing one of its own members.

The UK will not want sectarian warfare to break out again, so funding via NI is a strong possibility. Eire has been a recipient of UK funding in the past with significant gestures and no strings.
Get as angry as you want Troy. The Irish border is not a problem. Except for the EU.

**Troy** · 21-01-2019, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

Where did you read that?

You should get credit for knowing more about EU rulez than that idiot Verhofstadt who insists that EU rulez require a hard border between EU and non-EU. Methinks you made it up.

Now waiting for your next pretend claim.

Oh I found a Brexit site for you to go and read...

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/what-...artin-davison/

**Seekingasylum** · 21-01-2019, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

was it your quote for tarmacking my drive?

All I said was that I would do all that you had asked but would also fuck your wife too, and opined that it was probably a considerable time since she last had a good length. And some wankstain moderator deleted it. Fucking unbelievable.

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