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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You need to think a little more before you jump in the deep end with your replies. I am not talking about inventions, which you appear to be misguided, I'm talking about large scale projects.

    It has become too expensive for many countries to develop large scale projects alone, such as fighter aircraft and their avionics. How many aircraft have BAE Systems designed and built alone since their inception...precisely none!

    Following from this single example what will happen to the UK and its defence industry, which relies heavily on Thales and Leonardo, neither of which are UK.
    Thats right Troy, ignore the elephant in the room. The US already has buyers for the most advanced fighter jet in the world. Including UK they are also on order in Italy, Norway, Netherlands, Denmark and even Belgium thinking about buying to replace the F16s. Maybe they are using EU money, but Australia, Israel, Japan and S Korea are not.
    Are you suggesting that the UK will withdraw its support and funding for eurofighter and airbus projects as part of their Brexit plans?
    The fact is they are not as petty as the Brussels mob with Galileo which was part funded by UK money. There are also a number of NATO projects that uK forces and equipment are a part of, that the EU benefits from. Is that why the EU wants an army? To replace the security they have continued to enjoy since 1945?
    You can’t cherry pick which EU projects suit your side of the debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You need to think a little more before you jump in the deep end with your replies. I am not talking about inventions, which you appear to be misguided, I'm talking about large scale projects.

    And this is jumping in the deep is it? More like a puddle.

    It has become too expensive for many countries to develop large scale projects alone, such as fighter aircraft and their avionics. How many aircraft have BAE Systems designed and built alone since their inception...precisely none!

    And this is important because?
    Australia does joint projects with other countries for the same reason. You dont have to marry everyone you go out with.
    BTW How many advanced aircraft carriers has the EU built lately
    ?

    Following from this single example what will happen to the UK and its defence industry, which relies heavily on Thales and Leonardo, neither of which are UK.
    And these companies are no longer going to deal with the largest European spender in Nato. (projected 61 billion USD for 2018) because? Maybe you could show some projected facts and figures post Brexit on this statement to back up your statement so it is not totally irelevant.

    BTW I understood perfectly. READ MY LIPS! I said without those inventions there would BE no projects. Why not use your intelligence to look for some positives? I dont think I have heard one positive statement from you on this subject. You appear to be hoping your country sinks just to prove you right. I hope the majority of Brits do not have the same negative attitude and mentality, if they are the country is doomed.
    I credited you with a lot more intelligence than that poisonous Pattaya pea brain you appear to be so often in agreement with.
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    ^^ They already have dropped funding for parts of the Eurofighter program and have visions of going it alone with their own fighter. It is money down the drain if they go it alone
    Same as with a UK only GPS system.

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    ^^ Are you clockwork? Never known anyone so easy to wind up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    A slight distraction for the masses. .



    Tin foil hat time!


    Get on with it,public paid servants! !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^^ Are you clockwork? Never known anyone so easy to wind up...
    Oh I see. You are no longer serious about remaining in the EU. It’s just you trying to wind people up.

    Good call Troy. Here’s me thinking you were a complete fuckwit all along. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Oh I see. You are no longer serious about remaining in the EU. It’s just you trying to wind people up.

    Good call Troy. Here’s me thinking you were a complete fuckwit all along. My bad.
    chass, just go change your diaper will you

    now that's a good boy,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^^ They already have dropped funding for parts of the Eurofighter program and have visions of going it alone with their own fighter. It is money down the drain if they go it alone
    Same as with a UK only GPS system.
    Thales will be fine selling to the home market, the Middle East and despots worldwide. Nothing new there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    chass, just go change your diaper will you

    now that's a good boy,
    Yawn ..... up your game you dull little gnome. You’re boring me with your repetitive trolling.

    You have no answers so it’s best to keep quiet, rather than post dribble and confirm what every member on here knows already. You are just a dreary hopeless turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Oh I see. You are no longer serious about remaining in the EU. It’s just you trying to wind people up.

    Good call Troy. Here’s me thinking you were a complete fuckwit all along. My bad.
    I think you have me confused with a Brexiteer...

    I didn't say I was not stating my beliefs, only that someone was getting wound up reading them.

    You aren't very good at comprehension are you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Yawn ..... up your game you dull little gnome. You’re boring me with your repetitive trolling.

    You have no answers so it’s best to keep quiet, rather than post dribble and confirm what every member on here knows already. You are just a dreary hopeless turd.
    FULL DIAPER ALERT !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Thales will be fine selling to the home market, the Middle East and despots worldwide. Nothing new there.
    You do know Thales is French and Leonardo Italian. Good, just checking. You are also fully aware of the transfer of technology rights allowed through EU membership. One hopes these will remain even if there is a hard Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    FULL DIAPER ALERT !!!
    Full on trolling idiot alert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    You do know Thales is French and Leonardo Italian. Good, just checking. You are also fully aware of the transfer of technology rights allowed through EU membership. One hopes these will remain even if there is a hard Brexit.
    I do know Thales is French. I’m aware of the French selling anything they want to sell to anyone who wants it, but you already knew that.

    Despite denials on both sides, the managed Brexit that I predicted looks more likely every day.

    The only thing blocking that is May. Having been bought and paid for, she now has to deliver. The duplicitous illusionist will fit in to Eutopia no problem.

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    Ah, the managed no-deal Brexit, there's an oxymoron if ever there was. Lots of posturing about May's deal or no deal going on as well. No other choice was in a Telegraph article today but I can't see the Commons voting for either and there'll be so many resignations if this becomes the way forward I doubt that there'll be anyone left to govern.

    I see The Sun has been having another go at Junckers, scaping the barrel a bit with that story so guess they're running scared as well.

    Too much for the UK to lose, this no-deal brexit. Makes May's agreement look good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    BTW I understood perfectly. READ MY LIPS! I said without those inventions there would BE no projects. Why not use your intelligence to look for some positives? I dont think I have heard one positive statement from you on this subject. You appear to be hoping your country sinks just to prove you right. I hope the majority of Brits do not have the same negative attitude and mentality, if they are the country is doomed.
    I credited you with a lot more intelligence than that poisonous Pattaya pea brain you appear to be so often in agreement with.
    I have used my intelligence and, after a great deal of research and thought, concluded that Brexit is the worst political decision made by the country since the beginning of Parliament. I can think of no greater error any country has ever made since Wihelm II gave his support to the Austro-Hungarian empire. I mention this because once he realised his mistake and tried to reverse his decision it was too late.

    I have nothing positive to say about Brexit and nothing positive to say about the appalling way the UK has treated refugees, lumping them in the same category as migrants.

    Only when Farage is burnt at the stake will I be content that the UK has seen the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Ah, the managed no-deal Brexit, there's an oxymoron if ever there was. Lots of posturing about May's deal or no deal going on as well. No other choice was in a Telegraph article today but I can't see the Commons voting for either and there'll be so many resignations if this becomes the way forward I doubt that there'll be anyone left to govern.

    I see The Sun has been having another go at Junckers, scaping the barrel a bit with that story so guess they're running scared as well.

    Too much for the UK to lose, this no-deal brexit. Makes May's agreement look good though.
    The May deal is a stitch up and everyone knows it. Except you it seems. Two more years of zero progress still paying into the club just so Eutopia can say no at the end of all that uncertainty and instability. It is the shittiest deal possible for the UK.
    If it fails the vote, we automatically go to no deal. Manage that in both sides interests and viola, every one wins, except the EU because they know it is irretrievably broken. No more UK money will just hasten the coming decline.

    I can’t believe why anyone would have anything to do with such spiteful petty cnuts.

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    What do you mean except me? I've said it's bad since the start...it just isn't as bad as a hard brexit aka managed no-deal so it doesn't sound quite so scary.

    If you had read earlier, I mentioned a proposed amendment that could be voted on before the dreaded May agreement vote. This amendment is to ensure that a no-deal brexit does not end up as the default but must be voted on in Parliament: a safety net to ensure the UK doesn't go maddog.

    It is not the EU being petty, it is the UK acting like a spoilt kid. That's the way Europe sees it as does much of the world.

    Farage, Daily Express, The Sun, The Daily Mail, Boris, Gove and etc have all been lying to you. Parliament have realised this even if you haven't.

    You predicted a managed brexit? Of course you did...sucker!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It is not the EU being petty, it is the UK acting like a spoilt kid. That's the way Europe sees it as does much of the world.

    Farage, Daily Express, The Sun, The Daily Mail, Boris, Gove and etc have all been lying to you. Parliament have realised this even if you haven't.
    Not to mention more than half of the UK electorate...now!

    Which is why Brexiteers don't want any more democracy, they have the result they want and know full well the will of the people has shifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    they have the result they want and know full well the will of the people has shifted.
    I am curious about that. Has the majority really clearly shifted? Rejecting Brexit with 50.5% in a new referendum would also leave a bad aftertaste. 60% would be a clear shift.

    Just curiosity from my side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    I am curious about that. Has the majority really clearly shifted? Rejecting Brexit with 50.5% in a new referendum would also leave a bad aftertaste. 60% would be a clear shift.

    Just curiosity from my side.
    The only way to know for sure is to have another referendum, something along the lines of 'Hard Brexit' vs 'Lets Just Stay In the EU'.

    In the meantime, you can ponder why Brexiteers don't want another referendum if they are so sure they are still the majority.....particularly considering their constant wailing about "Democracy" and "The Will Of The People".

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    Brexitshitters need a change of diaper, that's what they need

    fooking cry babies,

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    I can't wait for the referendum, then you can all fook off

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    The only way to know for sure is to have another referendum, something along the lines of 'Hard Brexit' vs 'Lets Just Stay In the EU'.

    In the meantime, you can ponder why Brexiteers don't want another referendum if they are so sure they are still the majority.....particularly considering their constant wailing about "Democracy" and "The Will Of The People".
    Because you don't accept the result of the first one so what is the point of another one, then keep going till you get the result you want. People had the choice in the referendum leave or stay then we had a general election where both Labour and Tory had it in their manifesto to leave. You all could have voted LibDem who had it in their manifesto to remain, so that's 2 votes already remoaners have lost. Suck it up buttercup we are leaving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Because you don't accept the result of the first one so what is the point of another one, then keep going till you get the result you want.
    Bet, you cant quote me saying anything of the kind? ...Straw man Argument 101!

    Following the logic we should only have one General Election and the winning party should be in power until the end of time?

    If we had 2 GE in the span of 2 years then why cant we have two referendums within the span of 2.5 years? Especially when it's over something so critically important and irreversible?

    Not only was the first referendum not legally binding, there was nothing in the detail to say there couldn't be more referendums further down the line when more information was known and to make sure it was what 'the people' really wanted.

    ...But, thanks for confirming you don't want any more democracy because you know full well the will of the people has shifted.

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