Brexit - It's Still On!

**Troy** · 25-11-2018, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

After years of denying this will ever happen, the European leaders are now clearly detailing their plans for a European army to be controlled by Brussels. NATO has done this job since WW2.

Arguing over nothing as usual. The FT has a better article about the EU plans than this overly biased debate in which no-one appears to be listening to the facts.

https://www.ft.com/content/272daf9a-...8-d36339d835c0

**cyrille** · 25-11-2018, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by foobar

The Greater Manchester Built-up Area has a population of 2.6 million which puts it about 150kish more than Birmingham.

In the context of the post and the number of people from the surrounding area who could have attended UKIP's demo, I didn't think the city boundary was entirely relevant.

Ah, so you were thinking of Greater Manchester while posting about the City of Manchester.

I see.

**Pragmatic** · 25-11-2018, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Axis powers and surrender monkeys form Army, what could possibly go wrong.

Well this is the Frogs finest. God help them.

**Troy** · 25-11-2018, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

I keep reading that a hard Brexit is unlikely, impossible or suicidal.

That's because it is ...

Not a single viable alternative involving a hard Brexit has been put forward for the simple reason...there isn't one!

The Maybot's agreement is the closest possible to the UK leaving the EU but it is not the best possible deal. The Norway model is being touted around as a better option but it is still far worse than we currently have.

I am particularly upset about the circular argument of:

a) Campaigning that Brexit is the best for the UK
b) People voting for Brexit based on it being the best for the UK
c) Finding out that Brexit is not the best for the UK
d) Continuing with Brexit because the people have insisted on it.

**foobar** · 25-11-2018, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Ah, so you were thinking of Greater Manchester while posting about the City of Manchester.

I see.

Greater Manchester is part of the city of Manchester. There is more to a city than were someone decides to put a boundary line.

...maybe you've not had your coffee yet and missed the rest of my post about city boundary lines being irrelevant to how many people could have shown up at the UKIP demo in Manchester city centre?

I take you're a brummie then Cyrille

**cyrille** · 25-11-2018, 04:38 PM

Correct, and I'm still puzzled about how a county can be the country's second biggest city.

The City of Manchester is of course part of Greater Manchester, not the other way around.

It is not the second biggest city in the UK, which is Birmingham.

**foobar** · 25-11-2018, 05:06 PM

Ah you're a brummie that explains a lot.

A city in my opinion is a very large concentration of people in a sprawling built up area. Where people subjectively decide to delimit the boundary of that concentration of people for municipal purposes is neither here nor there, nor is the various labels of demarcation they might use. It wasn't so long ago that a city could only be called a city if it contained a cathedral...which is equally stupid.

To measure the size of that concentration of people in a built up area I would use population. For me the city limits need to be visible on the ground to the eye, eg a large of drop off in population density due a mountain range or sea. There is no such geographical demarcation between what is known as The City of Manchester and Greater Manchester, the distinction is entirely subjective and unrelated to the physical actuality of a very large concentration of people in a sprawling built up area otherwise known as Manchester, which is a city.

Going on your logic Bangkok Airport or BKK is not in Bangkok, which is obviously ridiculous to anyone with a modicum of practicality and common sense, even though it might be technically true, the distinction is entirely mute and will only cause confusion in anyone other than a city planner or government official.

I hope that clarifies my definition of a city and how it was being used in a post about the very low attendance at UKIP demo

**cyrille** · 25-11-2018, 05:18 PM

Yup...you have your own definition of words, at odds with the facts.

Perfectly clear.

Suwannapoom Airport is not in the City of Bangkok. That's a fact. It's not in the least 'ridiculous'. You've even had to change its name to make it seem so. It's actually in Samut Prakaan.

Organising journeys must be confusing for your fellow travelers.

Oh, and you mean 'moot', not 'mute'.

**lom** · 25-11-2018, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

It is not the second biggest city in the UK, which is Birmingham.

I assume the biggest is then the "City of London" ?

**cyrille** · 25-11-2018, 05:57 PM

Which by your reasoning extends twenty miles west to Heathrow, oh sorry, 'London' airport.

**Switch** · 25-11-2018, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

That's because it is ...

Not a single viable alternative involving a hard Brexit has been put forward for the simple reason...there isn't one!

The Maybot's agreement is the closest possible to the UK leaving the EU but it is not the best possible deal. The Norway model is being touted around as a better option but it is still far worse than we currently have.

I am particularly upset about the circular argument of:

a) Campaigning that Brexit is the best for the UK
b) People voting for Brexit based on it being the best for the UK
c) Finding out that Brexit is not the best for the UK
d) Continuing with Brexit because the people have insisted on it.

You missed out the bit about Brexiteers being very angry with May for selling out on what they actually voted for.

A bit one eyed from our resident Yereman spy. lol
You get the citizenship rights you whined about whichever way it goes.

**Dragonfly** · 25-11-2018, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

After years of denying this will ever happen, the European leaders are now clearly detailing their plans for a European army to be controlled by Brussels. NATO has done this job since WW2.

and why would be wrong? without you English traitors in the EU, we can finally build one as an alternative to NATO

**Switch** · 25-11-2018, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Which by your reasoning extends twenty miles west to Heathrow, oh sorry, 'London' airport.

London Airport is actually in Stanstead. Idiot.

**Switch** · 25-11-2018, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and why would be wrong? without you English traitors in the EU, we can finally build one as an alternative to NATO

The French and the uk already have considerable detente over defense matters. No need for more cash into the eu unaudited budget.

**Switch** · 25-11-2018, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Arguing over nothing as usual. The FT has a better article about the EU plans than this overly biased debate in which no-one appears to be listening to the facts.

https://www.ft.com/content/272daf9a-...8-d36339d835c0

It isn’t nothing Troy. It is the eu unelected leadership trying to big themselves up by extending the social engineering project.
will the French suborn their nuclear arsenal to EU control. lol

**pseudolus** · 25-11-2018, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and why would be wrong? without you English traitors in the EU, we can finally build one as an alternative to NATO

I know it is tough for Belgiums, having an existence where the only power they have exerted in the world even to this day has been trying to claim a right to south american Chocolate as their own, to not try to cling to any power they think they now have courtesy of their drunks in office, but how about NOT having a Nato at all? Why should the EU have an Military? Why should any group have a military?

All the EU is interested in is a massive war with Russia and China, holding hands with the Americans, anyway. Tusk wanks off regularly thinking about murdering millions of europeans and russians in his hate of them.

NATO are insane. So are the EU CABAL. Egged on by clueless belgiums and the like high on supposed power.

**Bettyboo** · 25-11-2018, 06:46 PM

Transparency and accountability - when the EU start being transparent and accountable rather than becoming a larger and larger machine that's increasingly detached from the people in the cities and town's that pay the money into the system then perhaps the EU has a chance of helping those people instead of helping big business and the bank accounts of unelected bureaucrats.

NATO has worked just fine, and there's a reason why Germany has not been encouraged to have control over a huge army...

**bsnub** · 25-11-2018, 06:53 PM

**OhOh** · 25-11-2018, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

London Airport is actually in Stanstead. Idiot.

A London airports map detailing travel times in minutes to Central London from each of the six major London airports. This map of London airports chooses express train services as the mode of transport.

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Brexit - It's Still On!-99345-640-airport-map-jpg

https://www.visitlondon.com/travelle...on-airport-map

3 of the 6 International airports around London utilise "London" as part of their name.

City (LCY)

Main article: London City Airport

Located in the London Borough of Newham, City Airport^map5 is situated in London's Docklands, and is the closest to central London, which limits its size - the airport has a single runway, which is very short. As a result, no large aircraft are permitted to use the airport, which initially prevented all long-haul flights. However, since 2009, British Airways has operated a flight to New York JFK, via Shannon, using an Airbus A318. The largest aircraft currently handled at the airport is the Airbus A220-100, with the first commercial flight completed in August 2017 from Zurich.^[8]

Located only four miles from Canary Wharf, London City Airport is often used by business travellers, with many flights serving destinations across the UK and northern Europe. The airport cannot be expanded due to the docks on either side. It is also the only airport serving London which does not operate at night.

A light rail service from London City Airport DLR station, which adjoins the terminal building of London City Airport, links it to the financial district of the City of London at Bank and Monument stations, which offer interchanges with London Underground.

Heathrow (LHR)

Main article: Heathrow Airport

Located in the London Borough of Hillingdon, Heathrow^map1 is by far the largest of London's airports and considered the main gateway into the United Kingdom for non-European visitors. Heathrow has four terminals and two parallel runways. Due to the location in London's western suburbs, Heathrow has had trouble trying to expand, with various expansion projects being cancelled.^[9]) As a result, the airport consistently runs at over 99% capacity and is often included on lists of the worst-rated airports in the world.^[10] However, on 1 July 2015 Heathrow's expansion plan was suggested as the best option by the Airport Commission and on 25 October 2016 a new northwest runway and terminal was approved by the Government.

The airport is connected to Great Britain's motorway network via the M4 and M25 motorways, to London Paddington station by Heathrow Express^[11] and TfL Rail^[12] trains and to other Central London destinations by London Underground trains on the Piccadilly line.

In April 2012, Heathrow announced that for the first time in history it handled 70 million passengers in a calendar year,^[13] making it the third busiest airport in the world in terms of passenger numbers, after Atlanta and Beijing. It also comes second behind Dubai International Airport in the list of the busiest airport in the world in terms of international passenger numbers, as well as being the busiest airport in Europe by total passenger numbers.

Heathrow serves six continents around the world, and is the base for the flag carrier British Airways in Terminal 5. While it also serves short-haul flights, Heathrow is London's long-distance hub and is the most popular arrival point for flights from the United States of America, with 13 million passengers. However, because it is operating at capacity, Heathrow has failed to increase service to cities in the newly industrialised countries such as China, falling behind European bases like Frankfurt, Amsterdam, and Paris.

Gatwick (LGW)

Main article: Gatwick Airport

Located in West Sussex, Gatwick^map2 is the second-busiest airport in the United Kingdom, the eighth-busiest in Europe, and the second-busiest single-runway airport in the world. It handles flights to more destinations than any other UK airport^[14] and is the main base of easyJet^[15], the UK's largest airline by number of passengers.^[16] Also using it as a base are British Airways, Norwegian Air Shuttle and TUI Airways.

The airport consists of two terminals, North and South, is connected to the motorway network via the M23 and has its own railway station, with Southern and Thameslink trains serving London Victoria and London Bridge stations respectively as well as there being a dedicated Gatwick Express shuttle to and from London Victoria.

Luton (LTN)

Main article: Luton Airport

Located on the Bedfordshire / Hertfordshire border, Luton Airport^map4 is London's fourth-largest airport, the fifth-busiest in the United Kingdom and the third-closest to the capital, after Heathrow and City airports. The two airlines supplying most passenger capacity are the low-cost carriers easyJet and Wizz Air.

Luton Airport Parkway railway station can be reached from London St Pancras in as little as 22 minutes via East Midlands Trains, while Thameslink is the primary operator, with slower but more frequent services. A shuttle bus service connects Luton Airport Parkway to the airport, a distance of just over a mile.

Stansted (STN)

Man article: London Stansted Airport

Located in Essex, Stansted^map3 is London's third-busiest airport, being the fourth-busiest in the United Kingdom, behind Manchester Airport, 22nd-busiest in Europe and the largest operational base for Ryanair, which is Europe's largest low-cost carrier and the world's largest international airline by number of international passengers.^[17]. Stansted serves more scheduled European destinations than any other airport in the UK^[18], as well as some destinations further afield. It is the home of Harrods Aviation, allowing VIP aircraft to land there, such as Air Force One carrying the President of the United States, Barack Obama, in 2009 and also 2016.^[19]

Stansted Airport railway station is situated in the terminal building directly below the main concourse.^[20] Services to Central London are on the Stansted Express train to and from London Liverpool Street.

Southend (SEN)

Main article: London Southend Airport

Located in Essex, Southend Airport^map6 expanded commercial air transport operations to destinations in Ireland in 2011, and to mainland Europe in 2012 when easyJet commenced operations using the brand new terminal and railway station. Southend claims it only takes 15 minutes to go through arrivals from plane to train with hand luggage. It was once the third-busiest airport in the United Kingdom.

Southend Airport railway station is served by Abellio Greater Anglia trains, which connect the airport to London Liverpool Street station up to 8 times per hour. The journey to London takes about one hour.^{[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airpor...ional_airports}

**Dragonfly** · 25-11-2018, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I know it is tough for Belgiums, having an existence where the only power they have exerted in the world even to this day has been trying to claim a right to south american Chocolate as their own, to not try to cling to any power they think they now have courtesy of their drunks in office, but how about NOT having a Nato at all? Why should the EU have an Military? Why should any group have a military?

All the EU is interested in is a massive war with Russia and China, holding hands with the Americans, anyway. Tusk wanks off regularly thinking about murdering millions of europeans and russians in his hate of them.

NATO are insane. So are the EU CABAL. Egged on by clueless belgiums and the like high on supposed power.

is it beer oclock already? what you drinking here?

**Troy** · 25-11-2018, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

London Airport is actually in Stanstead. Idiot.

Jumping in without reading the prior posts to gain context again....

Originally Posted by Switch

You missed out the bit about Brexiteers being very angry with May for selling out on what they actually voted for.

They can be as angry as they like but without providing an alternative, workable, plan they pretty much sidelined themselves. Hell, the Tory Brexiteers can't even count to 48 correctly, let alone plan for a hard Brexit.

**Dragonfly** · 25-11-2018, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Transparency and accountability - when the EU start being transparent and accountable rather than becoming a larger and larger machine that's increasingly detached from the people in the cities and town's that pay the money into the system then perhaps the EU has a chance of helping those people instead of helping big business and the bank accounts of unelected bureaucrats.

NATO has worked just fine, and there's a reason why Germany has not been encouraged to have control over a huge army...

didn't come to your petty English mind, that the transparancy and accountability is there, but you never bothered looking for it, and you rely stupidly on your politicians to relay such transparency and accountability, by the same people who never went transparent and accountable in the first place

how do you think this is going to be once Brexit happens? do you believe your politicians will have some kind of model for transparancy and accountability

god, you English fookers really loves it up in the arse

**Dragonfly** · 25-11-2018, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

fook off snob, go back finish your Turkey diner in your aunt bedroom,

**cyrille** · 25-11-2018, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Switch

London Airport is actually in Stanstead. Idiot.

Are you there now?

Something definitely flew way over your head.

**cyrille** · 25-11-2018, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

Jumping in without reading the prior posts to gain context again....

You'll have to excuse him.

He's seriously not very bright.

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