Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Switch

It is not possible to have those two words, ‘responsible and socialism’ together, or even in the same sentence. It’s rather like you French pretend peasants. A complete misnomer.

And yet you managed it....

great performance by teresa may this morning. petty minded response from corbyn, who proves time and time again his inability to grasp a brief.

May has carried out an impossible task with integrity, perseverance and honour.

the deal is far from perfect , but other than a hard brexit, it was never going to be anything else, and this compromise is the best she can hope for. hopefully it will be voted through next month.

if it does, then at least the uk will have a firm foot in the exit door, and over the next few years it can be prised open wider.

40 years of integration cannot be undone in a couple of years, but soon we will be free of the eu's stultifying grip.

all hail the May.

Originally Posted by foobar

If you're not a fan of socialist projects you must really hate free healthcare(nhs), state schools, state pension, social security, council houses, free prescriptions etc etc..?

Another numpty! Of course I'm a fan of freebies, within reason, and only when it's clear that nothing is actually free. And I shall be sure to let you know if I ever have your fortitude to stomach Socialism as it is practiced; that should please you! Ffs a few posts back some meat head defended Socialism 'but let's ignore Cuba and Venezuela' because they don't count!

Originally Posted by cyrille

You're not actually replying to the comment I made.

You are right, it was not worth a reply.

Originally Posted by jabir

Of course I'm a fan of freebies, within reason, and only when it's clear that nothing is actually free. And I shall be sure to let you know if I ever have your fortitude to stomach Socialism as it is practiced; that should please you! Ffs a few posts back some meat head defended Socialism 'but let's ignore Cuba and Venezuela' because they don't count!

Your reply doesn't make any sense. Are you saying you are in favour of socialism, now that you realise what it actually is in practice?

All the public services I listed are free at the point of use, if someone suggested that it wasn't clear that these services were paid for by tax payers, can you quote that person otherwise it's another strawman reply from you.

If you're not a fan of socialist projects you must really hate free healthcare(nhs), state schools, state pension, social security, council houses, free prescriptions etc etc..?

so much for her entire cabinet supporting the deal

Ranil Jayawardena, Private Secretary Ministry of Justice, has resigned.

Originally Posted by jabir

You are right, it was not worth a reply.

Great comeback.

Many expected Michael Gove to resign but it now appears that he has been offered Dominic Rabb's
job. Couldn't make this up !

Originally Posted by jabir

You are right, it was not worth a reply.

Well you attempted one.

But you sidestepped me calling you out on your hysterical bs about the EU seeking to usurp government and monarchy.

No confidence motion made. What a fucking circus.

Remember when the Tories rode to power on a promise to fix the UK economy, reduce the debt, repair broken Britain and curb immigration etc ...and everyone believed them, ....3 times and counting?

UK debt is the highest its ever been, immigration is unchanged, the pound is in the toilet, the economic outlook is either bleak or catastrophic and the Tories cant seem to fix their own broken party never mind the entire country.

Originally Posted by taxexile

great performance by teresa may this morning. petty minded response from corbyn, who proves time and time again his inability to grasp a brief.

May has carried out an impossible task with integrity, perseverance and honour.

the deal is far from perfect , but other than a hard brexit, it was never going to be anything else, and this compromise is the best she can hope for. hopefully it will be voted through next month.

if it does, then at least the uk will have a firm foot in the exit door, and over the next few years it can be prised open wider.

40 years of integration cannot be undone in a couple of years, but soon we will be free of the eu's stultifying grip.

all hail the May.

on what planet are you on, I mean seriously ?

The Prime Minister has just left Downing Street and will conduct an unscheduled news conference at 5.00 pm. There are rumours that Chris Grayling is on the verge of resignation.

I think Mrs May will be "hake and trout" ( Welsh rhyming slang for "fuck off out" ) today.

Michael Gove has definitely been offered the job of Brexit Secretary but has made it clear that he will only do the job if he is free to renegotiate the deal. This may be a step too far for the Prime Minister. So, I am hoping it is "bye, bye Theresa".

Originally Posted by can123

There are rumours that Chris Grayling is on the verge of resignation.

Saw him interviewed a but ago. Pretty clear he was going to resign.

Originally Posted by can123

The Prime Minister has just left Downing Street and will conduct an unscheduled news conference at 5.00 pm. There are rumours that Chris Grayling is on the verge of resignation.

I think Mrs May will be "hake and trout" ( Welsh rhyming slang for "fuck off out" ) today.

the circus is on

My forecast some 18 months or more ago, or was it longer, it seems such a long time now, that Brexit would see Sterling's near parity with the US$ and the destruction of this government and the Tory party, is of course now being realised. May is quite right that the proposed deal is the best possible given the needs of Britain and those of the EU but what one must remind oneself when contemplating these events is the fundamental truth that any departure from the EU is quite, quite insane and therefore to expect a coherent and rational approach from those intent on "delivering" it is absurd as it is unlikely.
The British political system has in effect been destroyed by this madness but if one was hoping for a cathartic resolution rescuing the country from the consequences then they are away with the pixies. We are now approaching a general election in December with no time and no will to return to the status quo of sanity.

The future truly is grim.

Theresa May is going to brazen it out. No resignation.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The future truly is grim.

Great ain't it, just as well you get your pension in Euros

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

My forecast some 18 months or more ago, or was it longer, it seems such a long time now, that Brexit would see Sterling's near parity with the US$ and the destruction of this government and the Tory party, is of course now being realised. May is quite right that the proposed deal is the best possible given the needs of Britain and those of the EU but what one must remind oneself when contemplating these events is the fundamental truth that any departure from the EU is quite, quite insane and therefore to expect a coherent and rational approach from those intent on "delivering" it is absurd as it is unlikely.
The British political system has in effect been destroyed by this madness but if one was hoping for a cathartic resolution rescuing the country from the consequences then they are away with the pixies. We are now approaching a general election in December with no time and no will to return to the status quo of sanity.

The future truly is grim.

You did not suggest near parity, you said that 1.12 to the pound equates to parity. The pound is no where near parity, even by your remarkably poor arithmetic, nor will it ever reach such levels.
The collapse of the UK political system is engendered by the fools that you and your ilk have elected. Not a single statesman among them. No one with the balls or the nous to do the right thing for the country and it’s population.

I can’t wait to see the quagmire that ensues, when your socialist pals are elected and try to run the country into the ground. Fortunately for you, Corbyn is the leader, so that’s never going to happen is it? He’s as spineless and as useful as you are.

i'm looking forward to 31 thb : £1

I hear Jacob Rees-Mogg has made an arse of himself again. Silly bugger still doesn't know how to plan or when to shut up.

How many resignations tomorrow?

Originally Posted by foobar

Your reply doesn't make any sense. Are you saying you are in favour of socialism, now that you realise what it actually is in practice?

All the public services I listed are free at the point of use, if someone suggested that it wasn't clear that these services were paid for by tax payers, can you quote that person otherwise it's another strawman reply from you.

There's a difference between fact and conscious awareness of the fact; all public services in Cuba and Venezuela are/were indeed 'free', and from what I hear they are/were quite competitive against capitalist equivalents, but at what overall cost to the individual, family unit, group and the state itself?

So yes, let's have free quality education and health care for all, throw in all the other extras that are used to seduce kids and naive adults in exchange for a vote that costs them nothing every few years. Eventually you can also be kind enough to remove the need to vote and voila you are on the road to free everything. The obvious should not need to be stated, though sometimes a gentle reminder is needed.

If you're not a fan of socialist projects you must really hate free healthcare(nhs), state schools, state pension, social security, council houses, free prescriptions etc etc..?

If you don't adore A you must hate B and therefore you're a C and I win I win I win I win...I don't know who posted this crap and it's not important enough to back a page or two to find out, but being 'for' or 'against' Socialism/capitalism without qualification is the real strawman for extremists on both sides to score worthless points in debate; there are awesome to atrocious bits in both. As with most things a balance should be the goal, with measures of success and failure in the evil capitalist world where some things are free or subsidised in line with whatever the trough can afford.

And regardless of how we frame the ideological principles of either system, it's the consequences of how they work in practice which leave an unpleasant after taste.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so much for her entire cabinet supporting the deal