Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by OhOh

One EU country beats the shit out of England, Scotland, N. Ireland.

Oh dear.

Is there any topic under the sun on which you have not made a complete and utter tit of yourself?

Trump says his ‘talented’ friend Boris Johnson would be a ‘great’ PM, ahead of meeting with UK’s May

Boris Johnson would make a ‘great prime minister’ and Theresa May made a bad Brexit deal by ignoring his advice, US President Donald Trump told a British tabloid.
The US President described the former foreign secretary as “a very talented guy.”

“I like him a lot,” he said. “I have a lot of respect for Boris. He obviously likes me, and says very good things about me. I was very saddened to see he was leaving government and I hope he goes back in at some point. I think he is a great representative for your country,” Trump told The Sun.

https://www.rt.com/uk/432908-trump-b...nson-great-pm/

Trump’s U.K. Visit: A Sedate Dinner, a Bombshell Interview



Only a few hours into his trip to the U.K., Britons learned that the American president who had just shaken up NATO allies in Brussels was not out of the provocation business.

Around the time a dinner in Mr. Trump’s honor was taking place at an Oxfordshire palace, word spread that he had given an interview highly critical of the dinner’s host. That would be Prime Minister Theresa May.

And so ended Day 1.

Some highlights of the trip so far:

• Mr. Trump, fresh from breaking eggs in Brussels, was back in form in Britain, telling a newspaper that Prime Minister May was mishandling the Brexit talks.

• Shortly after he arrived at the ambassador’s residence and again outside the dinner, protesters began to make their voices heard.

• Earlier in the day, in Brussels, Mr. Trump said NATO allies had agreed to his demand for a significant increase in military spending, but other leaders offered differing accounts. Mr. Trump said he remained committed to the alliance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/w...summit-uk.html

Trump says “I like him a lot,” he said. “I have a lot of respect for Boris. He obviously likes me, and says very good things about me. I was very saddened to see he was leaving government and I hope he goes back in at some point. I think he is a great representative for your country"

The cause and effect relationship here is pretty clear. "He kisses my ring. He should be Prime Minister"

OK Donny.

Originally Posted by Troy

burn farage at the stake in March instead

Is there any historical event we can tie it too? Somebody who tried to sell out the English to Dutch, German, French or Spanish pretenders?

Originally Posted by Neo

The presentation of the white paper to Parliament descended into chaos with Parliament being briefly suspended while MPs received copies of the white paper, so they could read and question its content.

Is this the normal HOC procedure:

1. Receiving copies of a Government White paper, by having them thrown at "the Honourable Members"?

2. Not normally receiving the white paper, prior to questioning it's content?

That was pretty mild.

MPs have come to blows in the house in the past.

MPs have been shouted down and sittings suspended quite a few times.

With a friend like Donald Trump, Theresa May doesn't need enemies.The President delivered an astonishing political knifing of the British Prime Minister on Thursday, comprehensively undermining her fragile position in Britain's tortuous negotiations on leaving the European Union and getting his visit to the country off to the most explosive of starts.

In an interview with the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper The Sun, Trump said May had ignored his advice on Brexit, he praised former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson -- who has just walked out of her Cabinet over the issue -- and he said May's cherished hope of a free trade deal with the US would be killed off by her softened approach.

Trump's comments represent a stunning intervention in British domestic politics, especially since they came at the end of a week in which she lost three ministers, including Johnson, who said her approach is a betrayal of a referendum vote to leave the EU.

They are a fresh sign that Trump has no time for diplomatic niceties, is either oblivious to the political pressures that foreign leaders face or simply does not care about them and is willing to sow disruption wherever he goes in order to enhance his own outspoken political brand.

They are also just the latest instance of Trump, who cozies up to foreign strongmen like Russian President Vladimir Putin and North Korea's Kim Jong Un, insulting or criticizing an allied leader.

And they follow his belligerent performance at the NATO summit, where he demanded more defense spending from members and created new divisions in the Western alliance.

For May, Trump's visit could not have got off to a worse start, at a time when her long-term political prospects are in serious doubt owing to a rebellion of some members of Parliament from her Conservative Party over the terms of Britain's departure from the EU.

The President's interview also amounted to a personal rebuke of his host. It broke just as Trump left a lavish black-tie dinner in his honor hosted by May at Blenheim Palace at the start of a visit that presents her with a deeply difficult test given Trump's unpopularity in Britain and her own wobbly political position.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders tried to put out the blazing controversy by saying Trump was grateful for a wonderful welcome in Britain.

"The President likes and respects Prime Minister May very much. As he said in his interview with the Sun she 'is a very good person' and he 'never said anything bad about her.' "

But Trump's comments on the ultra-sensitive issue of Brexit will boost May's Conservative opponents, who want a complete split with all EU institutions, and will undermine her claims that her plan does honor the hopes of "Leave" voters two years ago.

"The deal she is striking is a much different deal than the one the people voted on," Trump said in the interview, and added that he had told May to toughen up.

"I actually told Theresa May how to do it but she didn't agree, she didn't listen to me. She wanted to go a different route. I would actually say that she probably went the opposite way."

Trade deal blow

It was already clear that British hopes of a full free-trade deal with the United States could be complicated by May's plan, since it envisages that Britain would observe European rules on goods and agricultural products.

But Trump's frankness causes a huge problem for the Prime Minister, one that British officials will hope can be finessed when the two leaders meet Friday at Chequers, the Prime Minister's country residence west of London.

In her remarks at the dinner on Thursday, May insisted a trade deal between the US and Britain was still possible, apparently oblivious that the President had already undercut her.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/polit...may/index.html

Thank you Mr Trump

let's hope Boris become PM by next week and speed up the process of a hard Brexit

Little has been written on the traumatic consequences for EU itself if – as a result of its own actions – trade barriers with Britain are erected in March 2019, and if it loses full access to the City’s capital markets. My conclusion is that the EU is extremely vulnerable to such a shock. Large parts of European industry would be paralysed. Recession would reignite the EMU banking crisis. The political fall-out would lead to bitter recriminations between EU states with different strategic interests.

^A secret ink visible only to somebody?
(My secret disclosure: Highlight the paragraph, then only it is readable...)

^^ No shit Sherlock! Perhaps that's why there is a 2-year exit clause, to reduce the shock.

Brexit has always been a lose-lose situation. There is nothing beneficial for anyone, which is why the UK government is in such turmoil. The decision to go ahead with brexit is the worst decision made by a uk government since they banned the theatre in 1642.

I'm sure UK banks will not forgo the EU market. 2nd largest world economy, not a chance.

Originally Posted by Troy

^^ No shit Sherlock! Perhaps that's why there is a 2-year exit clause, to reduce the shock.

Brexit has always been a lose-lose situation. There is nothing beneficial for anyone, which is why the UK government is in such turmoil. The decision to go ahead with brexit is the worst decision made by a uk government since they banned the theatre in 1642.

Only if they go in half hearted with May’s plan.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I'm sure UK banks will not forgo the EU market. 2nd largest world economy, not a chance.

OhDoh! the issue is not how interested UK banks are in the eurozone. It’s how badly affected their access is going to be. Given that May seems to be prioritising goods ahead of services the answer seems to be ‘very badly’.

I'm sure the bank(s) in "The City" will soldier on...

It’s still fucking madness though.

’Quitting’ an institution because you feel you don’t have enough of a say in what goes on, then leaving yourself still bound by decisions on which you have no say whatsoever.

Idiotic.

indeed, idiotic, but that's the British essence right there, being idiotic and keeping that great tradition alive everytime they get a chance

anyway, next week PM May might be gone, after Barnier laugh out loud after reading her new White Paper

she is fooked, and gone

let the cahos begin

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

indeed, idiotic, but that's the British essence right there, being idiotic and keeping that great tradition alive everytime they get a chance

anyway, next week PM May might be gone, after Barnier laugh out loud after reading her new White Paper

she is fooked, and gone

let the cahos begin

Thank folk Barnier isn’t interested in May’s half baked white paper

^ If a hard brexit was even close to being a possibility it would have happened already. The fact is everyone, with half a brain, knows it would be an even bigger disaster. The only way a hard brexit would be a possibility is if the UK didn't need to do any business with the EU at all. No goods, no services, no collaboration on scientific or engineering projects, zilch. In that scenario, any trade would be a bonus rather than a necessity and the UK could negotiate without having both hands tied behind their back.

There is no good outcome from brexit, only damage limitation. Swallowing pride and forgetting the whole thing is the best move but requires a really strong political figure to achieve. Only Boris stood a chance of pulling off such action but he won't do it.

The UK is toast!

^Oh woe is me.

No one likes change Troy, especially old folk.

Im a bit sick of Brit governments bending over and taking one up the shitter from the EU.

Does no one realise why the clowns on the mainland are so against brexit? They know they are struggling now, and. Brother pull out would finish them off. Remoaners being sentimental wont save the EU because it’s already on its last legs.
Hard brexit and go WTO and to hell with them. We will have a head start on all the other countries who will be forced to accept the collapse of the EU and EMU.

^ ...and I'm a bit sick of Brit governments blaming the EU for everything that goes wrong in the UK.

Originally Posted by cyrille

It’s how badly affected their access is going to be

Originally Posted by SKkin

I'm sure the bank(s) in "The City" will soldier on...

It's more a question as to what legislation will cover the EU registered and approved banks. The City's rules or EU rules.