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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
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    "Nobody pretended this would be easy" says Davis in Parliament, only to be told that he pretty much said it would be.

    It was only going to be easy if the EU wanted to play ball which they obviously don't thinking they can extort the UK for whatever they see fit and we would just bow down and give them what ever they asked for, now they realise that isn't going to happen and the reality of the situation is slowly sinking in expect them to change their tone within the next 6 months. By the way why does a Brit seemingly want to see the UK get screwed, should you not be wanting the best possible deal for the UK regardless of your political affiliation? You are also aware you can renounce your British citizenship if you so desire, i'll happily support you if support is required.
    Quite simply the EU doesn't have to play ball. The idea they do is a myth and it will be the UK that will drop the so-called red lines in order to reach a beneficial settlement.

    The UK had the best deal. Anything that comes post brexit will be a worse deal.

    Are you expecting everybody that didn't vote for brexit to stay quiet or leave the island? That's a novel approach to democracy.

    Davis is looking tired and a little worse for wear after his recent visit to Europe. Marked difference compared to his speech this time last year.
    Errrm when an election doesn't go my way and I end up with a PM I didn't vote for, I don't bitch and whine for years I accept the democratic will of the people and move on. The problem is some of you still don't think Brexit is happening and want to thwart it, did people who opposed the referendum back in 70's or were on the losing side have this childish mentality that you and others expouse now and take to the streets or did they accept the will of the majority of the people? And to think if people had known the truth back in the 70's instead of all the lies they were fed back then, then we would never have joined in the first place but best we forget all that as it's a bit inconvenient.

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    How exactly does the UK have the best deal, we are a net contributer to a club we have a massive trade deficit with and are expected to pay a leaving fee. If a country who is a net beneficiary decides to leave will the EU start the negotiations with ' we will pay you x amount of billions to leave and continue to give you billions more after you leave'?

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    You remoaners truly are a funny bunch, would be even more hysterical if you weren't so serious about your deluded views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    How exactly does the UK have the best deal, we are a net contributer to a club
    there are benefits that goes beyond a simple measure of net contribution,

    trades efficiency that you will soon loose and finding the hard way why being a net contributor shouldn't be the only benchmark to judge a deal

    "penny wise, pound fool" comes to mind with Brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    You remoaners truly are a funny bunch, would be even more hysterical if you weren't so serious about your deluded views.
    we are hysterical with joy to see you go and self destruct globally

    it's GAME OVER UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
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    You remoaners truly are a funny bunch, would be even more hysterical if you weren't so serious about your deluded views.
    we are hysterical with joy to see you go and self destruct globally

    it's GAME OVER UK
    And how exactly are we going to self destruct, I wouldn't call leaving a club that we pay hundreds of millions every year to be a part of and have a massive trade deficit with self destruction. A club that holds back economic growth and keeps Europe uncompetitive with the rest of the world through its rules and regulations that stifle business and it only survives through its protectionist policies. When you witness the UK prosper in a few years down the road I have no doubt you'll be leading the cries for France to follow the UK's lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
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    How exactly does the UK have the best deal, we are a net contributer to a club
    there are benefits that goes beyond a simple measure of net contribution,

    trades efficiency that you will soon loose and finding the hard way why being a net contributor shouldn't be the only benchmark to judge a deal

    "penny wise, pound fool" comes to mind with Brexit
    What benefits, we get saddled with the dross of Eastern Europe (although their women are easier on the eye than the average native), while the deluded Europhiles will say they are net contributers in terms of taxes paid and benefits received, that doesn't take into account their kids receiving free education or them receiving free healthcare which costs a lot more than they pay in and the pressure and stress it has put on schools and the NHS. Good luck with your united states of Europe and your eventual European army and your total loss of national identity.

    Seems a bit of buyers remorse in France now with Macron only polling in the 30's (lower than The Don ). Many people wishing they'd voted for Le Pen now?

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    With Wankers and the other EU types refusing to negotiate on trade the time must be near when Britain sends an open letter to EU business that export to Britain, something like ;

    Once we leave the EU we would prefer to do business with your countries and companies on the same tariff free basis as we both enjoy now, we believe this would be best for all concerned.

    However as your diplomats refuse to engage in trade talks and are threatening to make things as difficult as possible for Britain as an example to any other country that contemplates leaving the EU it is possible they will force us to levy tariffs on goods imported into Britain from EU countries after we leave.

    If you value the access you have to British markets and wish for that to continue then you may like to consider lobbing your representatives and making your wishes clear to them.

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    ^ What you mean is writing an open letter that reads:

    The UK would like all the benefits of being within the EU community without having to pay anything towards it.

    The UK invited Eastern Europeans in despite the EU directive that delayed their freedom of movement for 5 years. Oh! What a shock! They came to the UK! Doh!!

    The UK is a huge benefit to the EU in many ways besides financial contributions. The old joke about the UK being the best at policing is very true and EU security really does need the UK in this regard. Similarly, imagination, and the innovation and inventions that come with it, is a UK strength.

    The problem is that the UK comes across as a nagging Nora, bitching Betty, moaning Mona, all in one, when it comes to a few bucks and a couple of Johnnie Foreigners. Get over it as it is a small price to pay compared to the isolation Brexit will bring. Either that or show just how fantastic the UK is and why everyone should sit up and beg instead of looking down with pity.

    I am not the sort of person that worries who is PM or even which party is in government. In most cases the UK sorts itself out in the end. I only really worry when crass mistakes are made. I believe Brexit is one of those mistakes.

    I also believe that it is my duty as a British citizen and one of HM's loyal servants to tell you all that a mistake has been made.

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    Thing is Brexit has basically gone nowhere in 12 months.

    At the moment MP's are positioning themselves for the yes/no parliamentary vote on the final Brexit deal.

    That's if Brexit goes ahead at all, as there is no doubt that another referendum will come on the table when the exit terms and conditions are finally resolved, and being totally different to those touted for votes at the initial referendum.

    The labour party's recent change of stance has basically done for the Tory Brexit deal in the commons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandyhole View Post
    Thing is Brexit has basically gone nowhere in 12 months.

    At the moment MP's are positioning themselves for the yes/no parliamentary vote on the final Brexit deal.

    That's if Brexit goes ahead at all, as there is no doubt that another referendum will come on the table when the exit terms and conditions are finally resolved, and being totally different to those touted for votes at the initial referendum.

    The labour party's recent change of stance has basically done for the Tory Brexit deal in the commons
    Window dressing is what the British negotiators are doing today and the reason for them doing that is not so difficult to figure out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ What you mean is writing an open letter that reads:

    The UK would like all the benefits of being within the EU community without having to pay anything towards it.

    The UK invited Eastern Europeans in despite the EU directive that delayed their freedom of movement for 5 years. Oh! What a shock! They came to the UK! Doh!!

    The UK is a huge benefit to the EU in many ways besides financial contributions. The old joke about the UK being the best at policing is very true and EU security really does need the UK in this regard. Similarly, imagination, and the innovation and inventions that come with it, is a UK strength.

    The problem is that the UK comes across as a nagging Nora, bitching Betty, moaning Mona, all in one, when it comes to a few bucks and a couple of Johnnie Foreigners. Get over it as it is a small price to pay compared to the isolation Brexit will bring. Either that or show just how fantastic the UK is and why everyone should sit up and beg instead of looking down with pity.

    I am not the sort of person that worries who is PM or even which party is in government. In most cases the UK sorts itself out in the end. I only really worry when crass mistakes are made. I believe Brexit is one of those mistakes.

    I also believe that it is my duty as a British citizen and one of HM's loyal servants to tell you all that a mistake has been made.
    What benefits Troy ?

    Like being forced to take a quota of migrants Britain does not want, I see the EU Court now says member countries must accept the so called migrants.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1BG35V

    Another great reason for out.

    This is about trade Troy, you know buying and selling things, it will happen and there will be trade agreements signed by Britain with many countries after they leave the EU and there will still be trade between companies from EU member countries and Britain.

    It is to the advantage of the EU countries exporters to have a good beneficial trade deal with Britain and I can not see them wanting their trade with Britain stuffed up by petulant bureaucrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding View Post

    What benefits Troy ?


    This is about trade Troy, you know buying and selling things, it will happen and there will be trade agreements signed by Britain with many countries after they leave the EU and there will still be trade between companies from EU member countries and Britain.

    It is to the advantage of the EU countries exporters to have a good beneficial trade deal with Britain and I can not see them wanting their trade with Britain stuffed up by petulant bureaucrats.
    It is not purely about trade birding. It never was purely about trade. However, the free trade agreement and the customs union are major benefits that the UK have enjoyed and want to keep, albeit in a 'special' form after Brexit.

    You see, whatever the Brexit spin and battlebus lies and media hype about how Brussels is trying to rule and spend all your money for you...it is imperative that the EU remain a trading partner with the UK. If it wasn't, then the UK would not need to bother seeking some kind of post Brexit deal. There are tangible benefits and intangible benefits that come with being within the EU. I still can't understand why people think otherwise.

    The UK sat on the German right shoulder, nudging the EU in a direction that the UK wanted to travel. The UK has been moving the EU towards more free trade and less protectionism for many years and succeeded with almost every step. The UK has had a great influence within the EU and both have benefitted. I still think that the UK joining the Euro and introducing personal ID cards and employer/ employee related health insurance would have improved matters even more, but I am open to critical opposition in those areas.

    In the case of migrants, the UK has already opted out of schengen and enforced border controls well above the EU directives. It has led to agency recruitment of cheap labour at the cost of legitimate tourists to an extent that a medium percentage are put off. For example, my wife still needs to apply for a visa at around £150 per year despite having an EU card and freedom to travel everywhere but the UK.

    Refugees is a different matter for which the UK should hang its head in shame.

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    Yes it is about trade as that's what we joined in the 70s.

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    Saying you think the UK should have joined the Euro means you have just lost any remaining credibility you had. If we had joined the Euro we would be in a worse position than Greece now not being in the Euro is what saved us.

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    .it is imperative that the EU remain a trading partner with the UK
    Yes Troy so therefor it is the interests of all to have a good deal negotiated on trade and as Britain is a net importer from EU countries it is more to the advantage of EU countries to have a deal free of Tariffs.

    All the bull about wanting to keep benefits is just that bullshit, this is about negotiating a trade deal for after Britain has left the EU, see above who has the most to gain from that.

    More bad news for the Brussels sprouts:

    A joint report by the Conservative European Research Group (ERG) and Lawyers for Britain produced a report to show Britain owes nothing to the desperate bloc.

    The so-called divorce bill has been bitterly contested during negotiations with reports Brussels could want up to £90billion.

    But the report showed Brussels owes the UK £9.3 billion, which is a 16 per cent share of cash reserved tied up in the European Investment Bank.

    The EU has demanded Britain continues to pay its £10 billion net contribution until the end of 2020 despite plans to leave the bloc.

    However, the report has said there is no “credible legal argument” for the UK to contribute to the pension deficit.

    It says if the EU does demand payment for the pension liabilities, the UK should be entitled to its share of EU assets.

    The report also says there is no legal obligation on Britain to continue to contribute to the EU’s budget after it leaves the bloc on March 12 2019.

    Theresa May should NOT give in to Brexit divorce bill demands | World | News | Express.co.uk

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    @ birding:
    Didn't I commented yesterday on your post re refugees? Was it here?
    Cannot find it, yours as well. Or was there something inappropriate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Yes it is about trade as that's what we joined in the 70s.
    The world moved on and the EU moved on with UK agreement every step of the way.
    However, the core principles of the EU have not changed and they included more than just trade; free movement of people and richer countries supporting poorer ones was included in the original package.

    The benefits of the EU, for all countries, is so great that one can only appreciate it by losing it. If no trade agreement is reached and there is a Hard Brexit then you will realise...but it will be too late...on the scale of the first flying suit being tested from the top platform of the Eiffel Tower. I could have argued with the guy for years that it wouldn't work, and I would have, right up until he jumped. Looking at his face in the video, even he knew it was going to end in failure but he jumped anyway...probably to save face (irony alert)

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    ...birding...
    Please try to understand the context of my words...

    It is imperative for the UK to obtain a trade deal with the EU.

    The EU really could not give a flying toss about the UK, hence their intransigence. PM May has recognised (at last) this reasonably significant point, which Davis has known all along. Those little red lines in the sand have become nothing more than an embarrassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Saying you think the UK should have joined the Euro means you have just lost any remaining credibility you had. If we had joined the Euro we would be in a worse position than Greece now not being in the Euro is what saved us.
    You compare the UK on the same level as Greece?

    Who is the one failing here in the credibility stakes?

    The Euro with the Sterling, Deutsche mark, and Franc would not be the Euro it is today. It would have been the number one international currency, beating the US dollar by a country mile...it very nearly happened without Sterling.

    The Government is desperately seeking to keep good relations with the EU, including an FTA and customs union, at significant cost, whilst trying to hide the true facts from people like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    The UK sat on the German right shoulder, nudging the EU in a direction that the UK wanted to travel. The UK has been moving the EU towards more free trade and less protectionism for many years and succeeded with almost every step. The UK has had a great influence within the EU and both have benefitted. I still think that the UK joining the Euro and introducing personal ID cards and employer/ employee related health insurance would have improved matters even more, but I am open to critical opposition in those areas
    The referendum proved only that, whatever changes UK obliged the EU to make, it was too little too late. Cameron was silenced by the undemocratic EU leadership and the people who voted for change, realized that whatever concessions the EU made, they were still determined to follow a socialist and federal agenda.
    The reasoning may well be historical, in that the UK has always followed a path of self determination. This is a more flexible approach to a future of economic and political uncertainty.

    That kind of approach does not sit well with a federalised EU target, that aims to straight jacket every individual nation, whether it suits their sovereignty or not.
    The north and south of the EU are totally incompatible.

    We may or may not wish to continue trading with non secular societies, but that choice should be left to individual member states, not enforced by EU social engineering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
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    Saying you think the UK should have joined the Euro means you have just lost any remaining credibility you had. If we had joined the Euro we would be in a worse position than Greece now not being in the Euro is what saved us.
    You compare the UK on the same level as Greece?

    Who is the one failing here in the credibility stakes?
    buriramboy losing his credibility is about as feasible as nong natt losing her virginity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    @ birding:
    Didn't I commented yesterday on your post re refugees? Was it here?
    Cannot find it, yours as well. Or was there something inappropriate?

    Had a look and cant find it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ...birding...
    Please try to understand the context of my words...

    It is imperative for the UK to obtain a trade deal with the EU.

    The EU really could not give a flying toss about the UK, hence their intransigence. PM May has recognised (at last) this reasonably significant point, which Davis has known all along. Those little red lines in the sand have become nothing more than an embarrassment.
    The EU is very scared of Britain leaving for it sets a precedent for other countries who are becoming dissatisfied with the EU and its dictatorial policies. They have shown this by their statements that they will (try to) make it as difficult as possible for Britain as a warning to others.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/313097...-juncker-says/

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    Quote Originally Posted by birding
    The EU is very scared of Britain leaving for it sets a precedent for other countries who are becoming dissatisfied with the EU and its dictatorial policies.
    There was a TV debate a few days ago between Merkel and Schultz, in the run-up to the German election.

    Do you know how many times BREXIT was mentioned?

    ZERO.

    This idea that Europe is bricking itself at the prospect of the UK leaving is utterly absurd and totally deluded, self-important fantasy.

    Most Europeans are simply amazed and mildly amused at Britain's stupidity...a stupidity expressed on this forum every day by utterly deluded BREXITers.

    And if the stupidity wasn't mind-boggling enough....you back it up with a link to ... 'The Sun'.

    Jeee...sus Christ.

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