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    Yes there is and that's why both the Tories and Labour lost votes in the Euro elections. The Libdems are pro remain and want to revoke A50 and the Brexit party who won the election obviously want to leave. No one knows where the fuk Labour stand on Brexit and no one after 3 years of Doris trusts the Tories to deliver Brexit. British politics is currently no longer about left and right although no doubt it will eventually revert to that, it is all about leave or remain.

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    don't think it will revert back to left and right, this is happening everywhere, this is the old political model and Brexit has broke that system

    the future of the UK is going to be BEFORE Brexit and AFTER Brexit politics, if things start to go very very wrong with Brexit

    of course we are assuming Brexit will happen, but now it's clear that it won't

    Brexit division is just the new political model, that is being globalist or villagist for the UK

    and frankly, it's not a bad model of division, and I think the debate has merit on many levels

    the left and right thing is dated, Blair under Labor has destroyed that historical division, and Corbyn is trying to restore it but it's too late, and too old, and doesn't reflect the new reality

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    In France, it's actually not that different, we have Macron and LePen, everything else has been destroyed

    Macron is pro-Euro, a globalist, LePen is Euro-septic, and a villagist, promoting local tradition, sovereignty, and protecting the social life of locals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Tory leadership second vote.
    Thanks. Up early as usual. Just watched the debate. What a collection of wankers. Makes politics in US seem sane by comparison.

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    there was no debate.

    the piss poor moderator, emily maitliss, lost control of the proceedings within the first minute and what followed was an hour of bickering and people talking over one another, interspersed by questions asked by the bbc's predictable choice of "the public" and maitliss's constant interruptions, not to mention her shutting down johnstone at every opportunity. not that he had anything to say when he was allowed to speak. but thats not the point, her bias was obvious.

    the bbc usually do these things better, but this was like a hour of robertson and smeg in teak doors doghouse.

    a waste of time.

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    Only a doddery old bloated Col. Blimp of a bathchair warrior drinking from the cup of dementia would have expected otherwise.


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    Sterling has fallen again, now 39.24, which makes the bank transfer rate a mere 38 and casual cash exchanges down to 37 for most in-country Thai banks. That is pretty much a devaluation of 30% from those halcyon days of 2015.

    I think the prospect of BoJo the Clown vacillating on hard Brexit is seen as more evidence of his inability to formulate any strategy other than the one to further his career. He is apparently veering towards a two year extension, and his " kick the can, is to kick the bucket" mantra was obviously just a soundbite of convenience. The conflicting signals in the morass of uncertainty are but more signposts all leading to the same destination, a continuing turmoil that is Britain's future, and an accidental hard-brexit is evermore likely but this time with a comedian holding the reins.

    It truly is shaping up to be a fuckup of all fuckups.

    May is beginning to look like a master strategist in comparison to fatboy, bonking BoJo the Clown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post

    I think the prospect of BoJo the Clown vacillating on hard Brexit is seen as more evidence of his inability to formulate any strategy other than the one to further his career. He is apparently veering towards a two year extension, and his " kick the can, is to kick the bucket" mantra was obviously just a soundbite of convenience. The conflicting signals in the morass of uncertainty are but more signposts all leading to the same destination, a continuing turmoil that is Britain's future, and an accidental hard-brexit is evermore likely but this time with a comedian holding the reins.

    It truly is shaping up to be a fuckup of all fuckups.
    don't get too tormented, hard Brexit is never going to happen, and BoJo is already showing signs of Brexit weakness, and soft Brexit might not even happen.

    With the 2 years extension, everyone will disconnect from Brexit, and it will be a successive plan of extension for the next 100 years

    your political system needs to make clear if they are pro-Brexit or anti-Brexit,

    alternatively, in true British style, it will be all 'forgotten' like nothing happened

    sadly, an opportunity missed !!!

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    Bojo caught in his first lies already

    Tory leadership race: Rivals in BBC debate clash over Brexit deadline
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48673698

    "If we allow 31 October to come and go as we let March come and go, I think the public would look on us with increasing mystification," Mr Johnson said.

    He also suggested there was no issue with continuing free trade after Brexit - citing something called Article 24 of GATT - but as BBC Reality Check points out, that relies on the UK and EU both signing up and in the event of no deal, that will not happen.

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    Only a doddery old bloated Col. Blimp of a bathchair warrior drinking from the cup of dementia would have expected otherwise.
    your attempts at persiflage are rapidly becoming tedious and repetitive.

    you need to up your game.

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    A little off the mark, aren't you Tax? I rather thought that wee bit of badinage was perhaps my first attempt at light banter this year. Nevertheless, a fine word and I shall endeavour to weave it into my next exchange when I have the opportunity although the scope is, I have to say, a tad limited of late.

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    yeah nothing is going to happen over the summer, BoJo will do his show and tell his usual lies like the cheating husband that he is

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    Nothing will happen over the summer as parliament breaks up for its summer holidays.

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    What betting Frau doesn't make it to 2021?

    Should be good news for Brexit and the .


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    ^ She hung in like a trooper. Lots of bottle and determination to stay there. Good for her.



    Anyway, she's retiring soon anyway, isn't she?

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    not looking good, maybe she was holding it to go to the bathroom, too many beers at lunch

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    Dehydration, apparently.

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    yeah, right

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    in the meantime, on love island

    third vote on the way

    Tory leadership race: Candidates face third vote
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48688703

    Tory MPs are voting in another round of the leadership contest, with the man who comes last set to be eliminated.

    Dominic Raab, who was knocked out on Tuesday, has backed Boris Johnson.

    Surviving candidates will face further ballots until only two are left. Members of the Conservative Party will then be able to vote on the final two.

    Hours before the third ballot opened, Rory Stewart said he was in talks with his leadership rival Michael Gove about "combining forces".

    Sources close to Mr Stewart said: "Clearly at some time people will need to combine teams. But any team that gets combined, Rory wants to lead."

    However, the environment secretary's team rejected the idea he would run a joint ticket with Mr Stewart at the top.

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    The rest of them have really fucked up in trying to stop Boris, only chance they had was to unite behind one candidate with the Boris bashing media on their side might have had a chance. Now it's just farcial, should save time and just have a coronation as he's going to win by a landslide among the members.

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    Junker gets dehydration a lot. You'd think with all the money the EU waste that they could spend some on Buxton water

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    Rory Stewart eliminated, leaving four in the contest. Bo-jo needs to win this and own the Tory Brexit show.

    Rumours are he'll win and be sacked by Christmas following a long delay to brexit.

    I'm taking my summer hols in UK this year...

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    With the exchange rate, why not?

    Just make sure not to wind down the windows.

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    final race to last 2 nominees today, would be interesting to see the contender to Boris and by what percentage he loses

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    interesting,

    Brexit: Philip Hammond to warn war chest may disappear
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48699594

    Philip Hammond is set to warn that a no-deal Brexit would harm the British economy, devour a 26.6bn Brexit war chest, and risk the break-up of the UK.

    The chancellor is expected to say that Conservative candidates who are vying to be the next prime minister must come up with a Brexit plan "B".

    If they do not, he will hint that a second referendum could be needed to break the Parliamentary deadlock.

    He will also pour cold water on tax and spending pledges by the candidates.

    Mr Hammond is set to say in a speech at the annual Mansion House dinner in the City of London on Thursday that a no-deal Brexit would soak up 26.6bn that has been set aside that could otherwise be spent by an incoming prime minister.

    In a BBC debate on Tuesday, leadership candidates promised tax cuts and increased spending on public services.

    However, a no-deal Brexit would mean that was not possible, and would also leave the UK economy "permanently smaller", Mr Hammond will say.

    In March, the chancellor pledged to spend the war chest to boost the economy, if MPs voted to leave the European Union with a deal.

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