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    seeking asylum
    Ordinarily, an EU national cannot exercise EU treaty rights in their own country and therefore third country spouses would have to be sponsored for visits and settlement under national immigration rules. ...... etc.etc.etc.
    good comprehensive info and advice.

    did you do your time at the home office or were you one of those time served grey wraiths encountered at citizens advice bureaux.

    just wondering like.

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    Sadly, my financial status precludes such an application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    seeking asylum


    good comprehensive info and advice.

    did you do your time at the home office or were you one of those time served grey wraiths encountered at citizens advice bureaux.

    just wondering like.
    I served in several departments one of which was the HO but in contracting a marriage with a non-EEA national one cannot help but acquire important data. Also, I am an autodidact by nature and like to forage for info if it piques my fancy. Living here has spurred my interest in immigration rules and laws which are quite interesting in themselves.

    May's destruction of the Home Office's IND is almost complete in its eradication of any intelligence, discretion and judgement. Britain now has the most draconian settlement regime for spouses/family in the world and in its creation the British and those lawfully resident have become the most disadvantaged citizens deprived of the most basic of human rights in a democratic developed country, the right to live with their family, a consequence of which is the current situation whereby some 15,000 children are separated from one parent or other.

    For May, Brexit was simply all about the ending of free movement. She is a xenophobic, white shrivelled skin bag who detests foreigners in her little England whether they be coons, niggers, wogs, Eyeties, Krauts, slopes, sinks, Wops, greasers, frogs or dagoes and if she has achieved one thing she has now ensured EU nationals will be treated like the Brit coons she unlawfully targeted for detention and deportation.

    One hopes she dies soon, in considerable pain and distress for the loathsome sow she truly is.

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    You are aware Doris is and was a remainer I presume. While there is no argument Doris time as Home Secretary made it even harder for those with non EU spouses to settle in the UK the clamp down started under Labour, cant remember if was Straw or Blunket who started charging fees for what used to be basically free, now obviously once the door had been opened Doris took it to a totally new level.

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    May's destruction of the Home Office's IND is almost complete in its eradication of any intelligence, discretion and judgement. Britain now has the most draconian settlement regime for spouses/family in the world and in its creation the British and those lawfully resident have become the most disadvantaged citizens deprived of the most basic of human rights in a democratic developed country, the right to live with their family, a consequence of which is the current situation whereby some 15,000 children are separated from one parent or other.

    i wonder how much of that was down to may, and how much was down to the way policy has been inflexibly implemented by those further down the line, and why european immigration is seen as such a bad thing, yet immigration from the stans is celebrated and glorified out of all proportion to the benefits gained.

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    Fees were introduced by Labour certainly, but it was May who in 2010 set about the creation of the hostile environment for not only against offenders but also law abiding citizens who were thrust into a maelstrom of Kafkasque bureaucratic horror. The 2012 changes to the immigration rules effectively placed an embargo on young people and those earning average incomes falling in love with non-EEA foreigners and contracting marriages with a view to settlement in the UK. Desperate stuff and terribly discriminatory against young British women who marry abroad and return alone with their children. Often, these women simply cannot juggle motherhood with a job that meets the visa income requirements as a sponsor.

    An interesting statistic: in 2006/7 the number of spouse/family applications at Be Bangkok were around the 3000 mark, now it is around 400-500.

    Under Labour in 2009 one simply paid a fee and then completed a probation period, originally one year which was then extended to two, before obtaining ILR. The costs were relatively modest and amounted to 1,400 in total including the initial wife visa and ILR application.

    Now, it takes five years, involves three exhaustive applications costs around 6,500 and involves challenging language tests.

    Frankly, it's a fucking disgrace but there it is.

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    Now, it takes five years, involves three exhaustive applications costs around 6,500 and involves challenging language tests.
    so how come so many men and women from the 'stans are, seemingly without any problems, returning home, marrying their cousins from the villages and bringing them and their parents back to reside in the uk?

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    Not disputing any of that, used to basically get ILR for free if had been married for over 4 years living overseas till the introduction of fees. Luckily I returned in December 2008 and while was subject to the fees was still able back then to get ILR for the wife straight away no 2 year wait or whatever it is due to having been married over 4 years, I believe this has now changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    so how come so many men and women from the 'stans are, seemingly without any problems, returning home, marrying their cousins from the villages and bringing them and their parents back to reside in the uk?
    Same way they can all afford to pay people smugglers 20-30k to get them to the UK, they borrow the money that will have to be paid back somehow.

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    May in 2010, when she first entered her HO lair, decided that the entire immigration/nationality regime should be a tick box system involving no deductive thinking, a system that was in fact devised in her own image, unyielding, sclerotic, inflexible and utterly, utterly dogmatic. It took her and her advisors, chiefly a Welsh cvunt who was honoured yesterday, around two years to develop the template which was then introduced nationally and throughout the visa regime.

    Essentially from 2012 onwards anyone who had no British passport or valid leave to enter recorded within HO records was an offender and liable to removal. The onus on proof of residence fell on the 'offender' and the test at which the outcome was to be decided moved from the balance of probability to beyond all reasonable doubt, a move that was, and remains, unlawful. That is why 5000 Windrush victims were disgracefully targeted and persecuted. I and my colleagues years ago were forever encountering these Windrush Brits but instead of treating them like black trash as May and her henchmen did, we gave them permanent residence status in their often blank Caribbean passports because, unlike May and her nazi cvunts, we had functioning brains and were capable of examining their bona fides and reaching the conclusion that they were lawful.

    And in relation to settlement visa applications, the entire process was monetised and any assessment of the relationship and genuineness became irrelevant - you don't have enough money in the way we demand, then fuck you!

    Tax, who was responsible for killing the Jews, Hitler,Himmler/Eichmann/Heydrich or the guy dropping the Zyklon B down the shower heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    so how come so many men and women from the 'stans are, seemingly without any problems, returning home, marrying their cousins from the villages and bringing them and their parents back to reside in the uk?
    Err, they don't. Bringing aged family members is near impossible but the rules are applicable to all. I have no idea what you mean by 'these people from the 'stans'. In order to sponsor a spouse or partner for settlement one has to be either a British citizen or someone lawfully settled without condition.

    It isn't anyone's fault that Britain was an imperial colonial power for 200 years and permitted an open door policy for the Empire until 1962. Moaning about coons and then wanting to return to those halcyon days is just fucking stupid.

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    paragraphs man, paragraphs.

    Tax, who was responsible for killing the Jews, Hitler,Himmler/Eichmann/Heydrich or the guy dropping the Zyklon B down the shower heads?
    just obeying orders and all that.

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    Moaning about coons
    i'm not moaning about coons, i'm highlighting the fact that it would appear to be easier for some nationalities to bring their wives and families over than others.

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    That's because you notice the coons more because they are, well, coons. Spotting an Antipodean/AmerIcan/Canadian/ Uitlander/ S. American etc is a tad more difficult.

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    Mr Sausages. What is preventing you taking the Wingman back to the UK, or is it Ireland - its a bit confusing.

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    Meanwhile back at Brexit.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48577667

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45112872

    I post the links without personal comment.

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    Err, nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warwick View Post
    Meanwhile back at Brexit.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48577667

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45112872

    I post the links without personal comment.
    It's an outline draft agreement which seeks to replicate the samE fucking FTA the EU signed a few years ago under which the UK and all the other 27 countries have benefited. The very same EU that the bone-achingly stupid Brexit fuckwits said was protectionist and against free trade. The sheer monumental cretinism of the average Brit in failing to understand the futility of Brexit is mind boggling.

    But it remains to be seen how it is actually to be implemented. It is 'in principle' and I rather think WTO countries will have something to say about it if Britain leaves with no deal sanctioning its use of an EU arranged FTA.
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    the problem is that WTO doesn't cover everything, so Brexit alone with WTO is a pipe dream and not feasible

    and the UK has still financial and legal obligations with the EU, you guys are technically liable to EU governments lawsuits for failing to deliver on your previously signed obligations

    either way, you are fucked!!! No deal is not happening, EVER

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    Doesn't A50 include a bit that says all financial obligations end when finally left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Doesn't A50 include a bit that says all financial obligations end when finally left?
    after you paid all your bills and there is another agreement in place with new financial obligations

    Article 50 is a simple roadmap guideline, nothing more, everything is flexible and negotiable as clearly demonstrated in the last 6 months

    the unlimited extension is an added bonus though,

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    Some lawyers say that's the case, some say otherwise.

    Sounds like money for lawyers to clear that one up, eh?

    There's a committee of Lords who say we'd be in the clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    after you paid all your bills and there is another agreement in place with new financial obligations

    Article 50 is a simple roadmap guideline, nothing more, everything is flexible and negotiable as clearly demonstrated in the last 6 months

    the unlimited extension is an added bonus though,
    That other agreement being the withdrawal agreement which has failed to pass parliament 3 times and thus has as much legal standing as the Beano or Dandy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    That other agreement being the withdrawal agreement which has failed to pass parliament 3 times and thus has as much legal standing as the Beano or Dandy.
    exactly, hence why you can't leave because you need an agreement in place, and the new one has been completely rejected by Westminster

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Some lawyers say that's the case, some say otherwise.

    Sounds like money for lawyers to clear that one up, eh?

    There's a committee of Lords who say we'd be in the clear.
    international litigation is quite complex and subject to arbitrage jurisdiction, basically a private judge agree by both parties is going to review the case and make a decision

    that judge has a reputation to maintain so they are reliable, but lawyers can find legal tricks and argumentation to make a clear case more complex than it is and burry everyone in crazy arguments and win in unwinnable case, which means things can reverse very quickly

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