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    So it seems several of the forum's greatest success stories are gathered here on a Saturday afternoon.

    Don't forget to take onboard plenty of water before you go out tonight smeggly...it'll be a steamy, balmy summer night out there.

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    Sun is out Brexits a coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack meoff View Post
    Sun is out Brexits a coming
    Is that why Vampire Bob is not out today...could be buried in family history, trying to prove his relatives from 1,000 years ago had a squeaky clean human rights record. To hear him talk you'd think he's related to Mary herself ...genuflects and offers a prayer to God for the Doctor in his search for affirmation.

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    Brexitblobby is still trying to work out if he was born in Lancaster or Dublin

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    He seemed to think he was conceived up Blackpool tower after the Dam was lured there with Pie, Chips and Gravy - can't get more Northern than that.

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    I will Have to confer with Chitty on Northern going ons.

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    Come on Troy you have been lurking all day.
    Any thoughts not affecting yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I have named the main ones that joined brexit for personal gain rather than national interest. The Maybot was more interested in being PM but I think she is merely incompetent. On the other side of the fence, Cameron was humiliated by the EU when he failed not to have Juncker elected. Osborne over exaggerated the risks of leaving the EU, which backfired badly

    I am not saying everyone who supports brexit is a fraud. That is extrapolation in the extreme. I am saying that those that people listen to, who people have respect for, should be a little more accurate with their arguments. The Telegraph column with Boris that was reported yesterday infuriated me.

    Apologies in advance for typos, big fingers on small mobile keypad...
    Fair assessment of our rulers, hope my kids are able to trust theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Do you mean he overstated them? To over exaggerate them would have meant he said brexit would wipe out all life in the universe or something like that (not that over exaggerate is a commonly defined word/phrase as it's a redundancy, like saying very unique).
    Although not grammatically correct, I think the phrase is understandable in this context. Most politicians will exaggerate to some degree, to get their point across. When it is overdone, to the point it defies belief, no-one believes and all other points are put under scrutiny or rejected.

    I'm not sure why you would have trouble understanding. You are either being obtuse or just trolling again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    There's no trouble understanding, but I've never heard another remainer who thinks Osborne's project fear was exaggerated to an absurd extent. I've heard Hammond say some similar things (and no I won't be searching for quotes to service any demands for them).
    I was asked my opinion rather than someone else's. However, a quick scan of articles on the subject suggest both sides thought Osborne over stated his case, leading to the phrase 'Project Fear'.
    I see some wrote over-exaggerated whilst others were grammatically correct with grossly exaggerated.

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    It would help if those that want Brexit, especially a no-deal Brexit, back up their wish with projections to substantiate their case.

    The government has made projections and no-deal did not look good. Those that think these projections are wrong should back up their gut feeling with figures. The May agreement is nothing more than a compromise that loses out both ways, losing control without benefits.

    The UK needs migrants for non-skilled, semi-skilled, and skilled workers. The idea that immigration will drop to the 10's of thousands is not realistic. Freedom of movement is a benefit and not a burden to be endured as a result of being in the EU.

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    ^^ Brexit supporters need to argue their case with their own figures rather than simply rejecting the ones provided by opponents.

    ^ Not a solution in itself since third nationals will be brought in to solve a shortage issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^^ Brexit supporters need to argue their case with their own figures rather than simply rejecting the ones provided by opponents.

    ^ Not a solution in itself since third nationals will be brought in to solve a shortage issue.
    You continue to make the mistake in believing people who voted Brexit actually give a fuck about a few points on GDP. The case was made and people voted for their own reasons of which there are many and varied to leave the EU. Most UK companies dont trade with the EU yet are subject to their rules and regulations. Explain the benefit of EU membership to all these people who see no benefit yet have to suffer the costs. Most Brits wont go and work in another in another EU country, where is the benefit of EU membership to these 50 million + people. If you remaoners want to win a second referendum you have to convince people who voted leave to vote the other way and with your current arguments coupled with the average remainer labelling all people who voted leave racists and bigots you haven't got a hope in hell.

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    Someone pls explain why liberals think it is virtuous to service the NHS by stealing doctors and nurses from Nigeria and Rwanda?

    Surely the best place for these high skills is back in their own countries, helping those that need it slightly more than privileged Brits.

    Just saying.

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    The UK should be training its own tradespeople, nurses, doctors and engineers. Having to rely year-in, year-out on nationals of other countries is silly. It's fine for a temporary or emergency shortage but not long term.

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    ^^Unfortunately the tories are too busy decimating the health service, which is one reason why people like May are keener on migrant workers than they will ever admit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    ^^Unfortunately the tories are too busy decimating the health service, which is one reason why people like May are keener on migrant workers than they will ever admit.
    Decimating the health service, do you have any idea how much money the NHS receives? Of you dont as you're a clueless idiot.

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    Calm down folks, way too many different inputs all at the same time only distracts.

    First things first, where are the economic figures to support Brexit in its various forms. What are the gains that might offset any economic loss? I haven't seen any real data only gut feelings and that simply isn't enough. People that don't care about any loss of GDP probably haven't considered the full implications.

    The Government produced figures with Boris, Leedsom and Gove, to name just a few, fully committed to Brexit. Those figures, unlike those used by Osborne were not just worst case scenarios to prove one side. They were trying to prove the case for no-deal brexit and failed.

    The recent reduction of EU migration has been compensated for by a rise in third national immigration. If employment is at an all time high it's not so easy to get more employed locally. It is for the Government to encourage apprenticeships and training not the EU and failing to do so lies on the shoulders of government. The government sets the tax rates and people voted them in for lower tax rates so can't then complain about lower services and lower social infrastructure. Nothing comes for free in this world and being a member of the EU cannot be blamed for all of the UKs woes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It is for the Government to encourage apprenticeships and training
    Yes, and I hope more and more employers offer even more apprenticeships. I also hope the government encourages more people to become nurses and to make nursing more accessible to school leavers and even those of a more mature age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post

    Did Chamberlain spend the mid months of 1939 coming up with financial projections of the likely cost of going to war or not going to war to make the democratic case for war, and do you think such financial projections would have been at all accurate or useful in hindsight?
    Are you seriously equating Brexit with WW2? How and why would you do so apart from stirring up emotions rather than sensible arguments. You are being far too shallow, bit then again many of the brexit arguments were shallow and failed to provide a full understanding of the problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The UK should be training its own tradespeople, nurses, doctors and engineers. Having to rely year-in, year-out on nationals of other countries is silly. It's fine for a temporary or emergency shortage but not long term.
    ditto! And I also don't swallow the pat racist justification of exploiting wogs to do jobs that Brits can't or won't do, from hypocrites ever ready to call out others for racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    I'm wondering whether we'll need this full extension until 31 Oct. Something drastic has to change.

    The EU is going to finally wake up to its unreasonable divorce stance of "Give me the keys to the house and piss off, and we'll talk about what's going to happen to the kids once you've left"
    They're in a daze, still can't figure out why our glorious leaders refuse to sign up to their Slave Act.

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    Well, there's lots of posts above suggesting the same thing, that people are unhappy with the influx of people coming into the country and undercutting the average Brit, who has to work harder for less in order to compete.

    This is for the UK to sort out and is quite independent of EU membership. Unions were too strong,. Maggie weakened them. Employers took advantage. The EU working regulation directives help protect some worker's rights but not enough to compensate.

    Leaving the EU isn't going to solve this problem.

    For example, my job had to be sanctioned through the union in Germany. The employer has to justify my wage, which must conform to a range set for all workers, wherever they come from. It isn't possible to pay lower than the going rate, agreed with the unions on an annual basis. Similarly the unions agree with employers the number of trainees entering industry.

    You are blaming the wrong institution for your woes. Stop voting Tory or UKIP and move to Labour.

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    Smeggly, you're just flat out trolling now.

    Your tendency towards obsessive point scoring is really coming to the fore.

    Isn't it time you got back to that thriving forum of your own?

    The list of aspiring new members you'll have to bin for not having brown enough noses must be piling up.

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    Well you could always go through the thread with a fine toothed comb and find a post from me made weeks ago to quote.

    That would be a perfectly normal thing to do.

    Still, you are in Wales, so being so desperately short of ways to occupy your time is understandable, I guess.

    Especially now you've grown out of that habit you used to have of organising threesomes with pliant Thai lasses.


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