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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    One could almost suspect that another group wants to sabotage the poll, do you have any idea of what group that could be?
    Petitions are meaningless, indicative at best. There's no point in sabotaging them and even if there was what idiot would think a signature from North Korea would be acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I'm in Holland, Keukenhof gardens for the early spring flowers. Picked a good day today with lovely sunshine, though still chilly.
    Sounds lovely, makes me glad me and my family will be able to continue to travel, live, work, and study without any restrictions in so many countries no matter how much the saxon mud-people choose to restrict their own lives.
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    Tonights votes, from the Guardian app so no link. My money, if any pass, is on Motion C although I would prefer E. None of these are Brexit.


    Motion C: customs union
    The Tory former chancellor Ken Clarke’s customs union plan requires any Brexit deal to include, as a minimum, a commitment to negotiate a “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU”. This was defeated by the smallest margin in the first round, falling just six votes short.

    On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 271 t0 265.

    Motion D: ‘common market 2.0’
    Tabled by the Conservatives Nick Boles, Robert Halfon and Dame Caroline Spelman, Labour’s Stephen Kinnock and Lucy Powell, and the SNP’s Stewart Hosie. The motion proposes UK membership of the European Free Trade Association (Efta) and European Economic Area. It allows continued participation in the single market, and a “comprehensive customs arrangement” with the EU – including a “UK say” on future EU trade deals – would remain in place until the agreement of a wider trade deal that guaranteed frictionless movement of goods and an open border in Ireland.

    On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 283 to 189.


    Motion E: confirmatory public vote
    Drawn up by the Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification. This option, tabled last time by the Labour former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett, polled the highest number of votes.

    On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 295 to 268.

    Motion G: parliamentary supremacy

    The SNP MP Joanna Cherry joins the Tory former attorney general Dominic Grieve and MPs from other parties with this plan to seek an extension to the Brexit process, and if this is not possible then parliament will choose between either no deal or revoking article 50.

    An inquiry would follow to assess the future relationship likely to be acceptable to Brussels and have majority support in the UK.

    On 27 March, MPs voted against this option by 293 to 184.
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    Doris is a pussy letting the cabinet abstain, should all be whipped to vote against all 4 options and anyone defies the whip resign or be sacked.

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    Collective responsibility, her deal is government policy and all cabinet members are obliged to support it in public anyway. Even though her deal is shit and not Brexit all these 4 options go against her deal and the cabinet should be whipped to vote against. But we all know the reason she won't as in she would lose a good % of her cabinet and no one left to replace them. GE in months if not weeks.

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    ^ All cabinet ministers have been told to abstain, backbench Tory MPs have afree vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ All cabinet ministers have been told to abstain, backbench Tory MPs have afree vote.
    Exactly she has no control over her party. Thought the voting was 7pm apparantly not till 10pm so fuck waiting up for that as I have to be up at 4am.

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    Only one way to get this sorted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    My money, if any pass, is on Motion C although I would prefer E
    C very close. Only lost by 3 votes.
    Should declare a mulligan and do that one over.
    Could you use a small loan to hold you over until the next vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    C very close. Only lost by 3 votes.
    Should declare a mulligan and do that one over.
    Could you use a small loan to hold you over until the next vote.
    Well, as predicted by most intelligent people three years ago the Brexiter idiots have brought the country to a standstill, crippled parliament, and broken Britains representative democracy. In three short years they have managed to do what over a thousand years of warfare could not. And for all the immense damage they have done they insist on calling those who oppose them traitors. It will take decades to undo the harm done by these fools and their cynical and opportunistic masters. Fools worshipping thieves. Future history books will describe brexiters for what they really are, donkeys led by jackals.

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    Sadly for you Bob, the opposite is true. Self important members, helped by the sycophant Bercow, have just proved that giving people enough rope will make the government look stronger.
    Indicative votes are an exercise in futility.

    It now seems likely the the intransigence of May, and the spite of the EU, will combine to force the very evolution that everyone is scared of. A hard Brexit.

    Members running the show has exposed the weaknesses in democracy.

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    Rank stupidity is the weakness of democracy, and brexiters have it in spades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Rank stupidity is the weakness of democracy, and brexiters have it in spades.
    The only blame you can attach to the electorate, is for putting these misfits in parliament in the first place.

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    Aw I am detecting a little disappointment in our remainer cohort. Hopefully the wanker Berkcow will get ousted and they legislate against future speakers being able to hold parliament and governments to ransom. Now then, do i hear reinvigorated cries for a peoples vote or second referendum Bob, Cy, Troy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Well, as predicted by most intelligent people three years ago the Brexiter idiots have brought the country to a standstill, crippled parliament, and broken Britains representative democracy. In three short years they have managed to do what over a thousand years of warfare could not. And for all the immense damage they have done they insist on calling those who oppose them traitors. It will take decades to undo the harm done by these fools and their cynical and opportunistic masters. Fools worshipping thieves. Future history books will describe brexiters for what they really are, donkeys led by jackals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Only one way to get this sorted.

    Could do with a few drops of warm blood in Westminster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Sadly for you Bob, the opposite is true. Self important members, helped by the sycophant Bercow, have just proved that giving people enough rope will make the government look stronger.
    Indicative votes are an exercise in futility.

    It now seems likely the the intransigence of May, and the spite of the EU, will combine to force the very evolution that everyone is scared of. A hard Brexit.

    Members running the show has exposed the weaknesses in democracy.
    Sadly for you switch, you use words you don't understand and it makes your posts look stupid.

    Parliament can't agree on moving forwards, sideways, or even backwards. MPs appear to be voting with the referendum result very much in their minds rather than for the best for the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    MPs appear to be voting with the referendum result very much in their minds
    That's what they should be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    ^ How does that work then?

    The two major parties have the numbers to sort it out (395 leave seats to 164) but can't.

    This is why we have had an unprecedented historical three years of negativity and media bias and propaganda thrown at us.
    The Brits are made of sterner stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    That's what they should be doing.
    ...and yet they are accused of betraying the referendum.

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    Doris really needs to come out for leaving on WTO terms next Friday, she will get all Brexiteers back on side and remoaners hate her anyway so nothing to lose and all to gain. Brexit becomes a success because she chose to leave with no deal and might not even end up the worst PM in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    the infamous Obelix line "ils sont fous ces Anglais", and he couldn't be more right

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    that was a nice Michael Jackson move on that table

    apes fighting is always funny to watch,

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Fight a three year war of attrition against a democratic event instigated by a remainer then blame the side that won.
    It's not a war, you idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    How does that work then?
    It works by being a representative democracy, a concept that even after 200 years many people cannot seem to get their heads around. MPs are not there to do what constituents tell them. That has never been the way in the UK system. If there's one thing clear from this mess it is that most Brexiters have no idea at all how British politics and the British Constitution works.

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