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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    All hail Herr Juncker the elected leader of the EU
    Seems he was.

    "Each new President is nominated by the European Council and formally elected by the European Parliament, for a five-year term."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pres...ean_Commission

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    Perhaps eventually that wil permeate chitty's six inch thick skull, but don't bank on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Let's hope you're not in charge of it.

    So if we have another referendum with a three-way choice and the result is 48% remain, 35% no deal and 17% May's deal, Troy-logic says we remain?
    Troy logic says that we remain unless there is an alternative that delivers better than the status-quo with no referendum.

    The idea of lumping no-deal and the Agreement into the same to show more support for leaving at 38%vs 36% is silly because it could also suggest only 38% for brexit and 62% against.

    Making up shit is the Brexiteer method you and your namesake continue to employ as cheap tricks that fool only fools.. A reason why referendums don't have more than a choice between 2.
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    Two choices then. Leave, or remain?

    Oh wait ......

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    Here's something that should bring people together...

    Britain needs to take special measures if it is ever to recover from the scarring social divisions exacerbated by Brexit, says a working party drawn from the country’s leading institutions.


    The Guardian understands one of the initiatives that has caught the imagination of the group is the creation of the post of “healing tsar” – a unifying figure to promote a feeling of national togetherness. Several well-known figures have been sounded out for the role, although there are worries that the politicians involved will try to parachute their own preferred candidate into the job.


    Operating in secret, the group is studying a series of proposals to “put harmony back into the national mood, to sow accord where there is discord, collaboration where there is conflict”. Music is seen as vital to the task.


    The idea was first mentioned privately by Prince Charles, who, although he has kept his views on the EU to himself, is said by insiders to be deeply troubled by what he sees as a dislocation between the people and the institutions of the country.


    Senior sources close to official figures say he fears the royal family could be drawn into the bitter divide – one of the reasons why he and his wife, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, absented themselves on a trip to Cuba during the 1 million-strong march through London and the parliamentary climax of the Brexit process.


    In heated meetings behind closed doors at Thenford House in Northamptonshire, the estate belonging to Michael Heseltine, the Liberal Democrat representative argued strongly for party supporter Bob Geldof as “healing tsar”. One insider promoting Geldof’s credentials said: “He brought the country together with Live Aid – he can do it again.”

    Those close to Geldof say he is reworking his biggest hit, Do They Know It’s Christmas? – but with the chorus changed to: “Heal the island, let them know it’s bonding time.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-after-brexit

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Here's something that should bring people together...

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-after-brexit
    Brexit disputes will not stop after actual Brexit,

    like the Eurospectics that sabotaged EU integration with the UK for decades, the Europhiles Remainers will sabotage UK politics for the next decades

    when things get worse, the division will still be there with a lot of "told you so" and "face saving" posture and ressentment

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    ^^

    Easy: 36+38=74-12, or 36x38-1306?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Two choices then. Leave, or remain?

    Oh wait ......
    Affirmation of whatever Brexit plan Parliament puts forward or the status-quo of remaining in the EU would be an acceptable compromise.

    Let's see what Parliament come up with as a way forward. A softer brexit, with the UK staying in the Customs Union and Single Market?

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    Staying in the customs union isn't Brexit, how come the losers of the referendum are trying to dictate policy and the question of any further vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    You've lost me. 38% want to leave immediately. 36% want to cancel immediately. And the rest want explore another option such as a extending the leave date, requesting a customs union etc. Where are you getting this 62% against brexit from?
    The May Agreement is not a vote to leave immediately, it is a vote for a 2year transition phase where negotiations continue about the trading arrangements between the UK and EU.

    Stop being silly by trying to read more into a poll than is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Staying in the customs union isn't Brexit, how come the losers of the referendum are trying to dictate policy and the question of any further vote?
    It isn't your definition of brexit and it isn't May's but it is still a form of brexit and it received the least disapproval in the House

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    Tbh hope I'm wrong but while May and her cronies chant Brexit I think we will end up with no Brexit or at very best such a soft Brexit that the entire operation will turn out to be an expensive, time consuming and divisive hoax.

    If they win, we lose, no big deal, get on with it.

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    ^ You are entitled to your opinion however flawed it may be. The UK will remain in the Customs Union for the 2 years and EU rights for citizens continue to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It isn't your definition of brexit and it isn't May's but it is still a form of brexit and it received the least disapproval in the House
    Whose definition of Brexit is staying in a customs union? As staying in the customs union defeats the purpose of Brexit.

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    I'm afraid Brexiteers have only themselves to blame for Brexit failing,

    The Tories have royally shat the bed by triggering A50 without having the first clue what happens next.

    After nearly 3 years the deadline has been reached and Brexiteers have failed to provide a viable exit path by way of re-securing existing trade deals and the new deals that where promised as a result of the UK throwing off the shackles of the EU.

    All this time the pound has been suffering and companies in their droves have shifted assets out of the UK in the face of uncertainty( kryptonite for businesses).

    Even Moog is having second thoughts ...no MP in their right mind will back a hard Brexit because they know it will cause irreparable damage to the UK economy without a viable exit plan.

    Only the creme de la creme of the "swivel eyed loons" in the Tory party are still asking for a hard Brexit.

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    From the start the European Council was clear that the UK would have to leave through the article 50 process as set out by EU law, and all we've seen from the British since then is grandstanding and whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    There's nothing flawed about it. Turkey has a customs union agreement with the EU but isn't part of it. Switzerland has a freedom of movement agreement with the EU but isn't part of it.

    So is May's deal a vote to leave the EU next month or not? Will you admit to being wrong?
    Immediately would be April 12, not next month. No-deal means I have 3 months to register as a third national in Germany. The May Agreement means I do nothing but wait until the terms of the transition have been negotiated. The May agreement means 39 BN to the EU. No I am not saying I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Whose definition of Brexit is staying in a customs union? As staying in the customs union defeats the purpose of Brexit.
    I think Brexit was an exit from EU politics and their decision making process, not necessarily the CU which is purely economics, and yes "humans" are capital assets in economics terms so free movement is capital

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I think Brexit was an exit from EU politics and their decision making process, not necessarily the CU which is purely economics, and yes "humans" are capital assets in economics terms so free movement is capital
    Erm we remain in the customs union it means unable to sign our own trade deals and will have to abide by the rules of any the EU sign without a say in them. If staying in the customs union remaining in the EU would be preferable. Maybe that's the plan of these devious remainers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    here's nothing flawed about it. Turkey has a customs union agreement with the EU but isn't part of it
    Turkey's customs union covers industrial goods only and took 30 years to negotiate. It has taken another 24 years to get to the point where they are only now talking about starting discussions to expand it. Turkey must also comply with EU customs and Tariffs rules. Also, the EU imposes tariffs on trade with Turkey but Turkey is not allowed to impose tariffs on trade with the EU. Hardly "taking back control".

    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Switzerland has a freedom of movement agreement with the EU but isn't part of it.
    Switzerland is part of the single market and so must agree to the four freedoms. As freedom of movement is a red-line for Brexiters that's a no-no.


    I think Ken Clarke's customs union motion will pass as even though it's not Brexit it will still keep the Wogs out which, after all, is what Brexiters mean when they say "taking back control".
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    Wow...maybe he really is Nige?

    And not Smeg?

    It would explain why he finds it so hard to understand four rather straightforward things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Wow...maybe he really is Nige?

    And not Smeg?
    Nah, the other day I talked with Nigel on LBC at the same time smeg was posting here

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Turkey must also comply with EU customs and Tariffs rules. Also, the EU imposes tariffs on trade with Turkey but Turley is not allowed to impose tariffs on trade with the EU.
    They really got shafted there, and their hopes to be full members are as distant as ever.

    And in the UK the dimmer elements of the population thought that the EU liked Turkey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Turkey's customs union covers industrial goods only and took 30 years to negotiate. It has taken another 24 years to get to the point where they are only now talking about starting discussions to expand it. Turkey must also comply with EU customs and Tariffs rules. Also, the EU imposes tariffs on trade with Turkey but Turkey is not allowed to impose tariffs on trade with the EU. Hardly "taking back control".



    Switzerland is part of the single market and so must agree to the four freedoms. As freedom of movement is a red-line for Brexiters that's a no-no.


    I think Ken Clarke's customs union motion will pass as even though it's not Brexit it will still keep the Wogs out which, after all, is what Brexiters mean when they say "taking back control".
    How does ending free movement from within the EU keep the wogs out when most Europeans are white? Haven't really thought that one through have you, other than showing yet again that the real racists are remainers who want preferential treatment for predominantly white Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Turkey buys 4% of EU exports compared to 18% by the UK.

    Do you have a link to prove that EU-Turkey is one-way not bilateral or a reason why Turkey would agree to what you suggest?

    Also, was Turkey a fully compliant member of the EU prior to the commencement of negotiations?
    Turkey - Trade - European Commission more detailed links at the bottom of the page.


    The relationship status prior to agreement is entirely irrelevant.

    Where do you get the 18% figure from. The most accurate figures Ive seen say between 8 and 18% with extremes usually only being used for rhetorical effect. Even so, those numbers pale into insignificance when compared with UK numbers, the EU can take an 18% hit on exports, can the UK take a 44% hit? https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

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