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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    The UK imports coal from Norway and Russia. Neither are in the EU yet imports flow successfully. What will change after brexit?

    What will the UK do to prevent food from being imported from the EU?
    Oil, gas, electricity, gasoline, diesel. Coal is inconsequential. Food imports? There is no FTA between the UK and the EU so they will be subject to standard WTO tariffs which despite all the bleating anout the non-existent "wto rules" are extremely high, the lack of common regulations between the UK and the EU as well as the need for imports to clear customs will also cause delays. You don't know this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    let's wait for the new "meaningful" vote, if it gets on the floor

    anyway, nothing we can do but watch the show

    hard brexit is now the new default,
    Meaningful votes are only meaningful when compared against meaningless votes like Ref1, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you guys are politically marooned, like refugees in a ship drifting slowly to the shores
    Er, isn't that where refugees would like to drift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    links?
    Why go around in circles and risk vague answers when you are the source, so you can give your response directly:

    Do you support direct democracy such as a referendum where the parliament adhere's to the result directly and implements it directly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    It's an odd viewpoint to claim that we should carry on paying the EU a $9 billion per year membership fee to keep it easy for them to sell us masses of cars and food.
    No it's not, it's an obviously silly comment, silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Any tariffs after brexit will be kept by whom and can they be used to offset other taxes?
    Tariffs are charged by the importing country. The UK govt has said it will temporarily reduce tariffs to 0% after Brexit, which sounds good until you realise that what that means is a 3bn bill to the taxpayer to cover those "reduced" tariffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Do you support direct democracy such as a referendum where the parliament adhere's to the result directly and implements it directly?
    How was the referendum democratic if, as you claimed, they counted the responses incorrectly?

    There should be a second referendum to reflect the true popularity of BREXIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Why go around in circles and risk vague answers when you are the source, so you can give your response directly:

    Do you support direct democracy such as a referendum where the parliament adhere's to the result directly and implements it directly?
    So you can't prove your bald statement that

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ) You have said several times that you do not support people taking charge of democratic processes, that you think they are too stupid - often your rants in this space look very similar to Mr Sausage.
    and instead try to deflect. No vague answers - if I have said that several times you should have no problem showing that explicitly.

    As has become increasingly clear over the last few months you are a liar, a windbag, and a mountebank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    You're getting confused. Before you were saying tariffs are terrible and now you're saying they're a great revenue earner for the government.
    Christ, you're slow. Nobody wants to export to a country with high tariffs and when they do they whack up the prices to cover them. That's the problem with tariffs and that's why free trade agreements are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    So you can't prove your bald statement that



    and instead try to deflect. No vague answers - if I have said that several times you should have no problem showing that explicitly.

    As has become increasingly clear over the last few months you are a liar, a windbag, and a mountebank.

    You are a deceitful individual, Bobbie.

    It's an easy answer for you to give, and I'll accept being wrong - it's your mind, you should know it best.

    (It took you 3 pages to finally admit that soros has funded the remoaners in the UK - everyone knows that, but you insisted on being evasive for no particular reason other than you enjoy hyperbole and vagueness over fact checkable links and details. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just giving my position and the informed reasons behind it.)

    Do you support a referendum and direct implementation of the result? Yes or no. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    You are a deceitful individual, Bobbie.

    It's an easy answer for you to give, and I'll accept being wrong - it's your mind, you should know it best.

    (It took you 3 pages to finally admit that soros has funded the remoaners in the UK - everyone knows that, but you insisted on being evasive for no particular reason other than you enjoy hyperbole and vagueness over fact checkable links and details. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just giving my position and the informed reasons behind it.)

    Do you support a referendum and direct implementation of the result? Yes or no. Simple.
    You made a direct statement saying that I had plainly said something here several times. Prove it, windbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    you guys are politically marooned, like refugees in a ship drifting slowly to the shores
    As opposed the utopia of France...

    Deaths in double figures, army deployed throughout the country, nearly 15 protester's eyes blown out (and these are figures from a few months ago...):



    That's from wiki, obviously.

    Here some more:





    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/e...w-vest-protest



    Why is this relevant? Because they are protesting against Macron, globalization and more EU - Macron being the new EU pin-up boy doesn't seem very popular in his own nation.

    This is what leavers do not want:





    &, by the look of these now 19 week-long protests, neither do the French.

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    Straw man, windbag.^

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    This woman makes some interesting points;


    https://www.facebook.com/AbroadImage...7526424097479/

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    ^ ..a little background to your woman.

    Far-right German politician Alice Weidel pulls out of Oxford Union debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    This woman makes some interesting points;


    https://www.facebook.com/AbroadImage...7526424097479/
    It's just the usual far-right echo chamber nonsense. AfD are just another kill all muslims and deport all foreigners mob who believe the world is governed by an unspecified but hook-nosed elite. Big fans of another immigrant who became a German citizen in 1932.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    You made a direct statement saying that I had plainly said something here several times. Prove it, windbag.
    The problem is, Bobbie, you are a deceiver...

    Right or wrong, I lay out my position. It's clear for everyone to see, it's simple, just like me, doesn't really change; maybe a bit depending upon updated context, but I'm just a people's democracy man, against big government and against abstract federal entities controlled by fuk knows who because they lack transparency and accountability.

    Look below, some support, you may not agree with it, but it shows it is not my opinion alone:


    https://europeangreens.eu/content/ti...re-transparent



    Accountability and European Governance - Oxford Scholarship


    You, say childish stuff like "proof it" then, if I go back and read through 10 pages to find two or three examples, you will look for another grey area... Far easier for you to just say whether you support direct democracy by a parliament enacting a referendum or not.

    But, you just throw around opinionated hyperbole in a superior(istic) manner; you're somewhere between Papillion's vagueness and Mr.Sausages idiocy. Or, you could just simply answer a direct question like a normal person, but you won't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Straw man, windbag.^
    ...

    It's clearly relevant because it parallels the reasons behind Brexit - this is well-known, even by the protagonist highlighted above:


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mmanuel-macron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ...

    It's clearly relevant because it parallels the reasons behind Brexit - this is well-known, even by the protagonist highlighted above:


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mmanuel-macron
    Where's your links to back up your lies about what I said, windbag? How many times do you need to be asked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Where's your links to back up your lies about what I said, windbag? How many times do you need to be asked?
    I trust your honesty, and maybe I made a mistake.

    You are the best person to answer, and you can answer directly: Do you support a referendum and direct implementation of the result? Yes or no. Simple.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I trust your honesty, and maybe I made a mistake.

    You are the best person to answer, and you can answer directly: Do you support a referendum and direct implementation of the result? Yes or no. Simple.


    Maybe you made a mistake?

    You explicitly said

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    You have said several times that you do not support people taking charge of democratic processes, that you think they are too stupid
    you did not type that mistakenly nor does it sound like some vague memory. It is a flat out lie and your attempts to worm out of it are pathetic. Almost as pathetic as your childish attempts to reduce complex questions to yes or no answers and attempt to extract universals from that, a tactic so hackneyed as to be laughed out of a 6th form debating club.

    Now, back to your accusation. I either made those statements or I didn't. Which is it? You made the claim, you justify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    You are the best person to answer, and you can answer directly: Do you support a referendum and direct implementation of the result? Yes or no. Simple.
    If the referendum was to lower the age of consent to 5 years old, ...how would you answer your own question?

    Yes or no. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    It's just the usual far-right echo chamber nonsense. AfD are just another kill all muslims and deport all foreigners mob who believe the world is governed by an unspecified but hook-nosed elite. Big fans of another immigrant who became a German citizen in 1932.
    Yes, you're right but he did make the trains run, OK, mostly in one particular direction which caused the death of millions but my point, without being too flippant is that regardless of her background and regardless of the rather poor interpretation, I think she does present a particular view which I haven't seen presented before.

    Maybe I don't read enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    How would a party with that in its manifesto get a majority in a general election?
    Did you miss Betty's terms and conditions?

    Yes or no. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    I think she does present a particular view which I haven't seen presented before
    Maybe we can do some holiday swap Come over here and you'll hear those same arguments over and over and over until you just want to bang her head (or his, whatever) against the wall.

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