That's completely made up by you without any evidence of it.
Again making up figures as you go..
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More made-up guff from you. What is it with your need to fictionalise?
Give in, eh? Now there's a telling phrase. As usual most of your post is just your opinion presented as fact, filled with made up statistics and assumptions pulled out of thin air. An example:
You'll notice words like "in my opinion", that's what I laid it out as. But, there is a lot of evidence, in fact much of it is self evident.
For example: it's harder to get a vote to support a change than a vote for the status quo; it's known as status quo bias. Shows over a wide range of areas, is a complex conundrum, but in a voting context experimental data shows around 10% increase on a 50/50 vote. Thus a 52% referendum vote of this nature could be interpreted as a 62% for change, 38% for stay the same with a status quo bias factored in. Do the research yourself, here are some starting points:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...tatus-quo-bias
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/g...atus-quo-bias/
https://www.behavioraleconomics.com/...atus-quo-bias/
I made two points:
1) That a small proportion of MPs are coming together to try to stop Brexit, but they are very highly funded, very well organized out of their Millbank offices, and disproportionally supported by media such as the BBC.
As far as last Saturday's march and who organized it, I laid out the people clearly, of course you should check by yourself: SDP, liberals, London political types and 11 'independant' MPs. At best, as a number of elected MPs, that's nearly 65 of the 650 elected politicians - The Tories & Labour totalled 580 seats, both campaigned on leaving the EU. So, when I said 20%, I was being too kind, the number of elected MPs having this huge voice is just shy of 10%. So, 10% of elected MPs have clubbed together to attempt to revoke article 50, and they are trying to sell it as a People's Vote.
2) That the electorate do not support another referendum or revoking article 50 - they want to get on with leaving.
I once again used the figure of around 20%, imho. &:
Thank you.
let's wait for the new "meaningful" vote, if it gets on the floor
anyway, nothing we can do but watch the show
hard brexit is now the new default,
I rather think the new default is a long extension, EU elections, and either another a second referendum and or a GE.
Asking the equivalent of children a simpleton question on par with "would you like to ban Mondays" is scarcely a good way to manage a democracy. The lower end of British society is really not a reliable bedrock for anything other than ignorance, stupidity, bigotry and prejudice. Certainly, if they combine with the deluded and the malicious, then disaster looms.
Brexit will be Britain's contribution to world history in how not to govern which is quite ironic when Britain gave the world the role model for parliamentary democracy only to see it come crashing down after giving power to the mob.
Another sigh. I said in response to Nev that anyone who does not take into account the consequences of their actions is a selfish fool. I did not say all brexiters were selfish, dangerous, fools nor do I believe that. I make a deliberate effort to keep my posts clear and in fairly simple English but it seems no matter how hard I try there will always be someone to misinterpret and put words in my mouth.
have you gone Brexiteer loon? :)
this is too late, that boat has sailed. Everyone in the EU can see after last night that you have basically a virtual "hanged parliament" that basically agree on nothing and disagree on everything
basically a non-functioning political institution, like in Italy, and now it's in the hand of the EU 27 to make that decision, and it has already been decided that it will happen on April 12th
you guys are politically marooned, like refugees in a ship drifting slowly to the shores :)
start remembering the good old days of power cut, trains not running, and food shortage in supermarkets because it's coming home on April 12th :)
The carnage of a hard Brexit will ensure turmoil to such a degree that a GE will be inevitable not least because May is now dead politically and the Tories will not wish to foist another unelected PM on the country, particularly when the last one was such a useless cvunt. And I'm fairly certain Corbyn will not be leader either and Labour will need to re=-balance itself.
Frankly, the EU is probably quite fearful of a broken down, rudderless Britain as incoherent as most of its voters and will probably agree to donate a year's grace for the country to sort itself out without losing EU status.
Britain, and in truth I really mean England, has fucked itself royally and what's worse is the awful fact it has shown itself to be nothing more than a dried wankstain on the imperial handkerchief of its colonial past.
Fuck 'em.
The simpleton attitude is Nevs attitude that simply "they were all voting to leave the EU". The reasons many people voted for Brexit were far more complicated than that. I can't put it any more simply so I'll assume that if you still don't understand my meaning you're just doing the false outrage schtick again.
Difficulty with imports, the majority of food and a good deal of power requirements in the UK are imported from the EU. It may not happen of course but the risk of it happening is high.
^ based on what facts, Mr Hyperbole?
*** My quote was 20%. ***
1) You have said several times that you do not support people taking charge of democratic processes, that you think they are too stupid - often your rants in this space look very similar to Mr Sausage. If you do support direct democracy of the referendum result then I'm sorry, my mistake...
2) My opinion based on research (& opinion based on research is the best this situation can get because it is simply unknown - that's the future for you, it is an unknown...; as far as individual people's thoughts go, again this is unknown unless you visit every single of the 35,000,000 or so on a daily basis to ask how they would vote today...) was 20%; that number was challenged, and I detailed a bit more of how I got those figures. I think my analysis is reasonable and it has been supported by other research too as linked above.
Now, another interesting piece of propaganda from YouGov poll
& the numbers/questions highlighted are (after some massaging...):
A new referendum, stay or leave, and a claimed 48/36 split for remain.
Guess who pays for these YouGov polls?
Answer: The People's Vote Campaign - yes, that's right, the liberals, SNP, 'independant 11'; they commissioned it, wrote the questions and paid for it...
Obviously, they phrase the questions such as: Stay in EU or leave without any agreement on trading or security...
(This is just dishonest.)
Are there any other questions in the poll whose numbers could have been highlighted?
Should the UK leave on the 29th March with no deal: Yes:35% a few weeks extension:10% a few months extension with public vote or GE: 21% Longer extension for trade:21%
If the UK ledt without a deal would it honour the referendum result: yes:46% no: 41% don't know 24%
This is the poll:https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne..._updated_w.pdf
But, let's get back to my 20% claim which does link to people who want another referendum, and the YouGov poll gives it as 23%...
Do you think having another referendum would honour the referendum result: yes: 23% no: 58% don't know: 22%
What do you think the referendum meant: leave straight away without a deal: 33% two-year extension then leave with a May-style deal 21% neither: 24% don't know: 22%
Thus, more than 50% expected to leave with no deal or a May style deal, 22% didn't know.
Here's the poll: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...311_Brexit.pdf
&, here's a snapshot of 3 questions:
The middle question might make Bobbie happy; the % who want a new referendum is a mighty 33%.
But, as is consistently the situation in all the polls, 50%+ want to leave on a no deal straight away or spend a short time longer negotiating a deal - where short time is described as a few weeks only.
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=29931&stc=1
Despite Bobbie's hyperbole, the numbers linked and fact-checked by the pro-leavers on this thread consistently support the points we make. So, opinion? Yes, but supported by polls, research and votes (i.e. the referendum and the general election - you cannot get purer indication than that...).
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Forgive me, took a while to read past that.
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...and has the best courts of law currently practising on the fucking planet.
That, too.
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You want to leave it, leave it, but stop your fucking whining and eat the shit sandwich you silly Brit cvunts will be stuffing down your gobs for the next fucking decade.
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Well, B0b, they were.
Here is the referendum question and the two choices. It's pretty simple.
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
- Remain a member of the European Union
- Leave the European Union
I agree. Absolutely. But those complexities were not reflected in the simple referendum question. But whatever the different reasons people voted to leave the EU, those people all did one thing the same - they voted to leave the EU.