Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Everybody knows except the hard of thinking.

It's transparently obvious that your silly fantasy about the EU bending over backwards to keep the UK in the EU is just an infantile delusion.

Originally Posted by jabir

Pray do say, what has one to do with the other?

Try a few lines of original text, instead of cut/paste aimed at no point at all...unless you are suggesting Barnier's posture of last minute intransigence is intended as a departing boot; one never knows with you.

Are you actually asking simple Sybil to make a post about the actual topic opposed to about a poster? Wasting your time mate. Really quite sad how someone can get to his 60s so bitter and twisted and seeming have no knowledge or understanding of anything other than grammar and punctuation.

Originally Posted by jabir

Btw Troy, if the ref wasn't binding then please explain away May's speech just yesterday in which she happened to mention, quote, "Parliament gave the decision to leave or remain in the European Union to you," (0.57) before moving on to other stuff and without bothering to add, "but only if you vote the right way."



I for one would view it as a gesture of kindness for you to remove this particular foolish repetitive insistence from your list of reasons to be cheerful. Shouldn't cause too much distress, you have many more to fall back on.

Tia.

This speech wouldn't have gone down too well in London but the start was a good preamble for reasoning towards a second referendum.

The May deal is worse than the status quo and, for that reason alone, should be rejected. Ditto for all other brexit ideas on the table so far, including no deal.

Yup...everything on offer is worse than the UK has now.

Sanity will return and this utterly stupid enterprise will be written off by the halfway point in the next decade as if it were just a drunken prank, best forgotten.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

It's impossible to separate German's political ambition and greed from the core EU problems.

In fact Germany has tried its best to stay out of the limelight but is continually being forced to take the reins. The UK was always in the strongest position to move the EU in the right direction until the Farage gang entered European politics.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Everybody knows except the hard of thinking.

It's transparently obvious that your silly fantasy about the EU bending over backwards to keep the UK in the EU is just an infantile delusion.

Originally Posted by Troy

This speech wouldn't have gone down too well in London but the start was a good preamble for reasoning towards a second referendum.

The May deal is worse than the status quo and, for that reason alone, should be rejected.

Totally agree, but that diverts from my polite request for you to remove that one absurd argument from your repertoire.

Originally Posted by jabir

Totally agree, but that diverts from my polite request for you to remove that one absurd argument from your repertoire.

The argument for brexit centered around the UK being better off and taking back control, whatever that means. At the very least, the people should be allowed to decide if this agreement meets with that criteria and gets their approval. I would prefer that agreement through a GE but if it is to satisfy the Brexiteers, a referendum will do.

The silly notion that a second referendum is just so the people can vote for what the EU want, is just balderdash, media hype, crap bollocks shit.

Originally Posted by Troy

In fact Germany has tried its best to stay out of the limelight but is continually being forced to take the reins...

Here we go again...poor Frau, EU put a gun to her head and forced her to take the reins, eh?

The UK was always in the strongest position to move the EU in the right direction until the Farage gang entered European politics.

<sigh>Now it's Farage, not global warming, and certainly nothing to do with unelected bureauprats steering a successful economic block toward full political integration and a European Superstate (Empire). Amusing though, and ironic, that this is supported by hoards of lost souls committed to seeking identity while professing revulsion to empires. /chuckle off

Meanwhile, back on track, does the May agreement deliver on the brexit referendum? Does it deliver on the Tory mandate? Does it make the UK better politically and economically?

Which brexit plan will put the UK in a better position for trading than the status quo?

You can't ask a politician to put the country in a worse position anymore than you can ask a doctor to make you ill

Originally Posted by buriramboy

And what's best for the UK is leaving the EU. Why are UK politicians so scared of self government? If they are not confident of representing their constituents in an independent UK then they should step aside for someone who is.

in theory yes, in reality, all your politicians are fundamentally incompetent, and hard Brexit will fuck up the UK for the next 20 years and they know it, and they might take the blame for it

of course, with hard Brexit, your incompetent and corrupted politicians will blame everything on the EU for not giving them the best deal they thought they deserved

what a bunch of stupid fookers

Has the sky fallen in yet?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Has the sky fallen in yet?

not yet but soon, time to short the DOW

and the British loons continue their show

Brexit secretary accuses EU of trying to 'rerun old arguments'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47506139

Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay has accused the EU's chief negotiator of trying "to rerun old arguments", as talks continue between the UK and EU.

Michel Barnier said Great Britain would be free to leave the proposed single customs territory, designed to avoid physical border on the Irish border.

But the government and the DUP have rejected this because Northern Ireland would have to remain within it.

Mr Barclay said the UK had "put forward clear new proposals".

The UK is due to leave on 29 March, although Parliament has yet to agree the terms of withdrawal.

The UK and the EU remain at loggerheads over the contentious issue of the Irish backstop - which is designed to prevent physical checks on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

The Commons Northern Ireland Affairs Committee has suggested there may be a possible technical solution to the border problem "but only if there is trust and goodwill".

On Friday the EU said it was prepared to include a number of existing commitments relating to the application of the backstop in a legally-binding document.

In a series of tweets Mr Barnier said the UK would not be forced into a customs union against its will through the Northern Ireland backstop.

He said it would be able to exit the single customs territory unilaterally if it chose to do so.

But, he added, Northern Ireland would remain part of the EU's customs territory, subject to many of its rules and regulations.

Mr Barclay and the DUP, the party Mrs May's government relies on for a majority in Parliament, were both dismissive of Mr Barnier's proposal.

Mr Barclay tweeted: "With a very real deadline looming, now is not the time to rerun old arguments. The UK has put forward clear new proposals. We now need to agree a balanced solution that can work for both sides."

Nigel Dodds, deputy leader of the DUP, said the proposal "disrespects the constitutional and economic integrity" of the UK, and it was neither "realistic nor sensible".

The government has previously said it would not agree to anything which threatened the constitutional integrity of the UK.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Has the sky fallen in yet?

No, the sky is fine, but the arse has fallen out of the pound and businesses are fleeing the UK in their droves.

However the Sky might begin to have problems once the Chinese move their manufacturing base to the UK following Brexit, in order to reduce pollution in China.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Poor old Yermins, forever the victims...

Having done business all around the world, the worst cheats I've come across are consistently German companies followed closely by Dutch/Belgian. The idea that Germans are somehow honest and decent at a business level is a complete fallacy.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brus...s-in-top-jobs/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8198271.html

Brussels’ Selmayr problem: Too many Germans in top jobs

The promotion for Jean-Claude Juncker’s chief of staff came out of the blue and has been criticized as lacking transparency.
By MAÏA DE LA BAUME AND JACOPO BARIGAZZI
2/21/18, 6:25 PM CET
Updated 2/21/18, 6:49 PM CET


Too many Germans and not enough transparency.

Germany now 'biggest breaker of EU rules', according to official figures

Angela Merkel's government worst offender in Europe

My experience has been that the UK businesses put their money in marketing skills rather than engineering skills. That is, well marketed shite rather than engineering excellence.

The French and the English are just as guilty as the Germans when it comes to backhanders.

The EU is the Yermans project, the French are just tolerated to give the cash pig some legitimacy so they don't have to call the Euro the Mark - been that way for 15+ years - all the Brits did is defray Yermanys Euro Precept- thats it.

The papers reveal how Blair put enormous pressure on Lord Goldsmith, his attorney-general, to force him to put an end to the embarrassing investigation into a huge Saudi arms deal.

They also show that Goldsmith, nominally the independent head of the prosecution system, at first vainly tried to stop Blair interfering in the criminal investigation.

But Goldsmith then caved in and agreed to find a plausible justification for halting the investigation.

The partly-sanitised documents show how Blair grew increasingly alarmed by the Serious Fraud Office investigation into allegations that BAE, Britain's biggest arms company, had paid massive bribes to Saudi princes to win lucrative contracts.

shocking news, so what's your point foobar, that Brits are 2 face backstabbing corrupted hypocrites?

Originally Posted by Troy

Meanwhile, back on track, does the May agreement deliver on the brexit referendum? Does it deliver on the Tory mandate? Does it make the UK better politically and economically?

Which brexit plan will put the UK in a better position for trading than the status quo?

You can't ask a politician to put the country in a worse position anymore than you can ask a doctor to make you ill

No, no, no, and hard Brexit, though nobody knows how that will pan out, while all other options keep our line firmly attached to the sinking ship which will be even less pretty for those on it. To be fair, a sinking giant like the EU will suck in everything nearby.

Still, I hope to be blessed with being around to hear who you Europhiles blame with your final glug; will it be your unelected and dysfunctional leaders, corrupt elected leaders, or those damn Russians?

^^Couldn't have worded it better myself

^^ So you think no-deal brexit will put the UK in a better trading position than it is within the EU.

Good luck with that matey...

Originally Posted by Troy

^^ So you think no-deal brexit will put the UK in a better trading position than it is within the EU.

Good luck with that matey...

When people voted for Brexit the average man or woman couldn't give a fuk about trade. Of course you can't have as good as trade arrangement as you have being a member of the EU. We all get that it's not in dispute. We want out free from the EU in every way, shape and form and then trade can be conducted on WTO terms until an agreement is reached.